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Low 1-C neutral space dbs

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TiltedFN said:
It has always been like that with DB, I have seen many comments with people who just hate DB being strong and just disagree, nothing we can do.
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this really sounds like an excuse at this point, of course, if people disagree, it is because they hate db being strong, not because they genuinely think your point is not right, not because they just disagree with the point, come on

TiltedFN said:
Anyways, the point is that this space has to be 5d because it contains these constructs in the same physical space at while at the same time not being able to intersect. I have seen the points that it is a insignificant interval of space when I fail to see why, it surrounds all the 12 universes and has the size to hold even more than that, while from a very large scope of the neutral zone, any universes are not seen. It is a very large space. Mind you the macrocosms themselves still have 6 to 7 universal spacetimes with there factually being a space between even those universes, which is still dwarfed by the neutral zone.
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all that you just said applies to all and every multiverse there is with a space between them, again, i think you are failing to see that being 5D was never into question, it is, like how every space between low 2-C structures is, but that is not relevant, dwarfing 100 or so low 2-C structures while being 5D is not enough for low 1-C, qualitative superiority needs more than that, far more, infinitely far more

TiltedFN said:
It makes virtually no sense for this to be a bigger 4d space, or for characters that destroy this space in its entirety to remain at 2-C, not even factoring in the larger timeline that contains all of it
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just like how destroying a non universal space time is not low 2-C, destroying a non qualitative superior 5D space is not low 1-C
 
GarrixianXD said:
Dragon Ball's cosmology is blatantly High 1-A. This thread is indeed, nothing but blatant downplay.
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omegabronic said:
this really sounds like an excuse at this point, of course, if people disagree, it is because they hate db being strong, not because they genuinely think your point is not right, not because they just disagree with the point, come on
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I guess you didn't read the comment above mine which is what I was addressing, I said it has always been a thing on dragon ball. For both sides, so stop saying I'm using this as an excuse when I wasn't eve particular referring to this thread. Dropping this, its derailment.
omegabronic said:
all that you just said applies to all and every multiverse there is with a space between them, again, i think you are failing to see that being 5D was never into question, it is, like how every space between low 2-C structures is, but that is not relevant, dwarfing 100 or so low 2-C structures while being 5D is not enough for low 1-C, qualitative superiority needs more than that, far more, infinitely far more
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The fact that it is a large space that has an higher spatially speaks for itself, and no matter how far a timeline extends, it won't intersect with the other ones. It still makes no sense to be 2-C lmao.
omegabronic said:
just like how destroying a non universal space time is not low 2-C, destroying a non qualitative superior 5D space is not low 1-C
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That isn't even the same thing, and aren't real coordinate spaces said to be infinitely larger because no matter how far a lower dimension extends, it won't gain an extra spatial direction? That is why i proposed "possibly low 1-C" . Keeping the ratings would mean that we still consider the neutral space 4d which can't be the case.
 
It should be qualitatively superior by default if it holds these non interactable 4d planes anyway. The way stacking 2d squares infinitely won't get you a 3d cube, or how extending a 2d cube infinitely will still be technically infinitely smaller in one direction from a 3d object or plane. So these 4d spaces will still be infinitely smaller for lacking that extra axis that the neutral space has. Which is why they are parallels in the first place.
 
TiltedFN said:
I guess you didn't read the comment above mine which is what I was addressing, I said it has always been a thing on dragon ball. For both sides, so stop saying I'm using this as an excuse when I wasn't eve particular referring to this thread. Dropping this, its derailment.
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I did read, my comment goes both ways, we can stop

TiltedFN said:
The fact that it is a large space that has an higher spatially speaks for itself
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Define "large" and "higher spatially", because for the size needed for low 1-C is far, far "larger" then what you presented

TiltedFN said:
and no matter how far a timeline extends, it won't intersect with the other ones. It still makes no sense to be 2-C lmao.
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Yes it does, that is exactly what every multiverse does

TiltedFN said:
That isn't even the same thing
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Yes it is

TiltedFN said:
and aren't real coordinate spaces said to be infinitely larger because no matter how far a lower dimension extends, it won't gain an extra spatial direction?
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no, not in this wiki at least, there is such things like limited 4D for example, why do you think that non universal space times are not low 2-C

TiltedFN said:
That is why i proposed "possibly low 1-C" . Keeping the ratings would mean that we still consider the neutral space 4d which can't be the case.
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No, it wouls mean we trear it like how we treat every space separating space times, limited, non quantifiable 5D

TiltedFN said:
It should be qualitatively superior by default if it holds these non interactable 4d planes anyway.
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nah, it would only need to be 5D, qualitative superiority is not needed


TiltedFN said:
The way stacking 2d squares infinitely won't get you a 3d cube, or how extending a 2d cube infinitely will still be technically infinitely smaller in one direction from a 3d object or plane. So these 4d spaces will still be infinitely smaller for lacking that extra axis that the neutral space has. Which is why they are parallels in the first place.
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You would need to change the standards themselves with this argumentation
 
omegabronic said:
not necessarily, also, there are levels to being superior
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Bigger is superior in size
Stronger is superior in power

Qualitative superiority simply mean infinitely superiority, thats why if you have infinitely bigger structure you have a chance to have higher tier (even if that must be evaluate again)
 
Quantu said:
Neutral on neutral space.

Could the overarching Timeline which contains all of this + more not qualify as an uncountably larger structure and be Low 1-C, even if this itself is not enough?
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I missed this, and yes you're right. Due to having an extra axis of space, we know even an infinite amount of these 4d macrocosms wouldn't be enough to fill that extra spatial axis that the neutral zone has. And the timeline is a higher temporal flow that encompasses everything, it supersedes everything under it, which would mean it contains an uncountable infinite amount of these 4d macrocosms, and even the neutral zones. Which would be..
 
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Okay.

Real talk; Stop shitposting on the CRT, stop just throwing random statements like "I think we do that thing" and giving an opinion based on that assumption. Just get knowledgeable staff, namely DT, Ultima and Executor based on what the thread has presented.

Don't reach a conclusion until some of these three have given their inputs on the matter, pretty much everyone here has not even a tenth of the capability to judge the matter at hand
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
Okay.

Real talk; Stop shitposting on the CRT, stop just throwing random statements like "I think we do that thing" and giving an opinion based on that assumption. Just get knowledgeable staff, namely DT, Ultima and Executor based on what the thread has presented.

Don't reach a conclusion until some of these three have given their inputs on the matter, pretty much everyone here has not even a tenth of the capability to judge the matter at hand
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I have to agree
 
I'll try to summarize what Ultima has argued;

Ultima's argument correctly highlights that for two line segments to be parallel in a two-dimensional space (like a plane), they must remain equidistant and not intersect regardless of how far they are extended. Similarly, for two planes to be parallel in three-dimensional space, they must not intersect and remain equidistant.

When generalizing this idea to higher dimensions, such as 4-D spacetime, the argument proposes that spacetimes (which are four-dimensional objects) would need to be displaced over a five-dimensional region to be considered parallel. This aligns with the concept that higher-dimensional objects require additional dimensions to satisfy the conditions of parallelism.

We know for a fact each of the 12 universes are parallel to one another, this is shown to us; Neutral Space has to be a five-dimensional region by default;

Hasty12345 said:
The wiki can’t function solely based on the opinions of 3 people who have actual lives and are required on almost every thread.

and it’s very insulting to insinuate not everyone can have an opinion on dragon ball of all things
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What you can't have an opinion on is how Tier 1 and extra-dimensional stuff works. Unless you research the subject.

Are you knowledgeable?
Should we take everyone's opinions into account when they, ultimately, don't truly know what they're talking about?

No.

I'll not even comment on that strawman, trying to say I'm stopping people from commenting on Dragon Ball itself, when I'm obviously talking about the conditions of parallelism

We are going to call knowledgeable people and listen to their takes with care
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
What you can't have an opinion on is how Tier 1 and extra-dimensional stuff works. Unless you research the subject.

Are you knowledgeable?
Should we take everyone's opinions into account when they, ultimately, don't truly know what they're talking about?

No.

I'll not even comment on that strawman, trying to say I'm stopping people from commenting on Dragon Ball itself, when I'm obviously talking about the conditions of parallelism
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bro's gate keeping battleboarding....

The barrier to entry isn't a degree in physics, stop acting like it is.
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
I'll try to summarize what Ultima has argued;

Ultima's argument correctly highlights that for two line segments to be parallel in a two-dimensional space (like a plane), they must remain equidistant and not intersect regardless of how far they are extended. Similarly, for two planes to be parallel in three-dimensional space, they must not intersect and remain equidistant.

When generalizing this idea to higher dimensions, such as 4-D spacetime, the argument proposes that spacetimes (which are four-dimensional objects) would need to be displaced over a five-dimensional region to be considered parallel. This aligns with the concept that higher-dimensional objects require additional dimensions to satisfy the conditions of parallelism.

We know for a fact each of the 12 universes are parallel to one another, this is shown to us; Neutral Space has to be a five-dimensional region by default;
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Stop using Ultima's statement that came from a Low 1-C kingdom hearts thread
they have completely different contexts
 
Hasty12345 said:
bro's gate keeping battleboarding....

The barrier to entry isn't a degree in physics, stop acting like it is.
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Strawmanning, lying, wow
You're lying, you're actually lying, this is crazy

Why are people just allowed to lie about other people's points?

The topic at hand is OBVIOUSLY theorical physics, stop pretending like we're debating Goku's power level
 
One of the mods/users is gonna come in and completely slam this CRT, I guarantee it,
Anyway, I agree with this. We Dragon Ball fans might actually get a dub for once!
 
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I was going to ignore it but someone said I was insulted here (f--ing liar, she insulted us all and not me).

First I will say, stop taking other people's argument that you do not understand or cannot defend and use it as a point. Ultima's post in the KH thread refers to a different context, which has a lot more context than 3 pictures you provided here.

Secondly, by your logic all 2B and above should become low 1-C, since they need to destroy the space between the universes before they can get to the other universes. As what I am seeing here is that the neutral space is just the space that separates the universes.

Thirdly, energy has no dimension so it would travel through a 5D space same way it will travel through a 2D plane, hence why we do not grant low 1-C for branching or parallel timelines that are destroyed with explosion even though they are contained in a 5D structure

Lastly, there is no proof that the neutral zone is transcendent to the various universes or higher D to them, which is the context KH has.

And lastly again, you can extend 4D infinitely through a 5D space and the 5D volume will still be zero, this is referring to the infinitely extending 4D point I saw in this thread.

And lastly for the last time, the space between universes cannot be quantified and it is usually void unless stated otherwise and that is what I will make a thread about.
 
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