Lover's Revenge: A stupidly cute dragon fights a pretty messed up scientist

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

If I remember from Prototype 2, Mercer can also infect targete if they have physical contact though, that's one way plus don't forget the gas while he dives to stella

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Unless she resist molecular level diseases her immune system is pretty meaningless here, the heat could be a problem but from what you said it simply ionizes the gas creating plasma, if thats the case the virus may survive. Though question if you believe mercer couldn't even touch her why make this fight?

I love how everyone's forgetting me saying that she literally erases things from existence via heat alone.

Having decided it in her mind, Stella increased the heat on her body with almost no limit, creating an armor of light. The heat would cause anything attempting to strike her to simply cease to exist the moment it touched. Ikki's blade could no longer reach her. The moment the blade of 'Intetsu' touched Stella's radiance, its existence would vanish. Her defense was impenetrable. All that remained to be done was to impale him with the tip of her blade. Then,-

Also you do know that quite literally basic heat completely burns gasses right? As in heat in the level of a candle.

 

[DeathNoodles]

I love how everyone's forgetting me saying that she literally erases things from existence via heat alone.

Having decided it in her mind, Stella increased the heat on her body with almost no limit, creating an armor of light. The heat would cause anything attempting to strike her to simply cease to exist the moment it touched. Ikki's blade could no longer reach her. The moment the blade of 'Intetsu' touched Stella's radiance, its existence would vanish. Her defense was impenetrable. All that remained to be done was to impale him with the tip of her blade. Then,-

Also you do know that quite literally basic heat completely burns gasses right? As in heat in the level of a candle.

That sounds like hax rather than just mere heat. It still doesn't change the fact that Stellar's stamina isn't limitless though, or that Mercer can outlive her.

Fire uses up oxygen, and produces carbon dioxide... It doesn't "burn gasses" in the way you're speaking of.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Ahuh well I asked bambu Im pretty sure heat can't do this, it requires atomization. If its a matter of ee hax that will work, but first Id like to know if alex stands a chance. If the plasma conversion can bypass his regen its a stomp. If it can't we could actually have a fight.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Plasma is just ionised gasses with their valence electrons added or removed, thus having their own ions moving freely... So uh, I'm pretty sure plasma is still made up of molecules and atoms. Unless you're saying that gasses (and ionised gasses) are not made up of molecules?

Ikki's sword, which I'm pretty sure was done via hax of some kind, as I'm pretty sure no AP or heat in the world would cause stuff to literally get erased out of existence, as that would break the law of conservation of mass in real life.

It still doesn't change the fact that she hasn't used plasma conversion or EE on anything outside of inanimate objects.

That is still quite literally a step further from vaporization, which mercer came back from. But ok let's wait for Bambu.

Ikki's sword is a physical sword that is created through hax. But a literal physical sword. Also "the law of conservation of mass in real life" this is fiction boy. And says the guy arguing for a dude who can come back from vaporization.

...Excuse me the difference is? She has used EE on inanimate High 6-B Objects.

 

[DeathNoodles]

That is still quite literally a step further from vaporization, which mercer came back from. But ok let's wait for Bambu.

Ikki's sword is a physical sword that is created through hax. But a literal physical sword. Also "the law of conservation of mass in real life" this is fiction boy. And says the guy arguing for a dude who can come back from vaporization.

...Excuse me the difference is? She has used EE on inanimate High 6-B Objects.

We'll wait for Bambu then.

She used EE on tier 6 inanimate objects, so?

Existence Erasure is plain hax. Hax does not scale to AP (and only a couple of ones that produces results of AP such as Matter Manipulation, but even then such abilities like Matter Manipulation aren't dependent on AP in most cases as far as this site's standards go), so her erasing a tier 6 or tier 9 inanimate object is irrelevant here.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That sounds like hax rather than just mere heat. It still doesn't change the fact that Stellar's stamina isn't limitless though, or that Mercer can outlive her.

Fire uses up oxygen, and produces carbon dioxide... It doesn't "burn gasses" in the way you're speaking of.

Considering her ability is literally conceptual in nature, it's quite possible yes. Stella just hugs him and he won't even exist anymore, not even a single molecule.

Yes, but it depends on the gasses, it burns a lot of gasses, but im not sure if the gas alex produces is combustible. Rusty on the verse.

@Pen

Never asked "can heat do this". It literally did so by feats. She has her own gravitational pull through heat and warps light and space itself via heat. It's no normal heat for sure.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Really it doesn't sound like she atomizes, she goes from plasma to ee hax so. ITs not really a matter of heat its a matter of hax at the moment. Though it sounds like her heat is her hax in this case.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Considering her ability is literally conceptual in nature, it's quite possible yes. Stella just hugs him and he won't even exist anymore, not even a single molecule.

Yes, but it depends on the gasses, it burns a lot of gasses, but im not sure if the gas alex produces is combustible. Rusty on the verse.

Unless you give me a scan/feat of Stellar EE a living target (and not just some inanimate objects), I'm pretty it can be argued that Stellar's EE (via heat through spatial distortion of some kind) can only work on inanimate objects. Same thing for her Plasma conversion as Stella's "heat" sounds like hax rather than actual heat.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Well I think another argument would be out of character if she's never used it on an opponent

edit Thats not how heat works!

 

[Firephoenixearl]

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Death noodles...

1. Don't quote large walls of text

2. Im speechless. I need actual arguments here. The difference between a living being and an object. I will tell you one difference and that is the soul, otherwise you're just an object.

@Pen

Considering she spammed Bahamut Howl (town wide above 15 mil degrees flames) as soon as she got the chance, it's not ooc. "She doesn't use it on an opponent" i mean she was using it on her boyfriend, if she was ok with using EE hax on him, pretty sure no random stranger is escaping. She just got a boost that's why she only used it then.

Ikki got past all this heat via skill, and that's not how skill works but hey what can we do about it?

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Alex has no soul

So she hasn't used it since? no ones arguing she won't use her mass flames, the only question is if that actually bypasses mid high. We were more interested in when shes going to ee with it, she also didn't hit her boyfriend with it just his sword. How the heck did he win that fight anyway?

 

[DeathNoodles]

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Death noodles...

1. Don't quote large walls of text

2. Im speechless. I need actual arguments here. The difference between a living being and an object. I will tell you one difference and that is the soul, otherwise you're just an object.

1. Whoops. I'll try to not do that again.

2. That can be used as an argument, especially as far as hax is concerned for her "heat". There are characters in fiction where they have certain hax abilities (such as Matter Manipulation, Reality Warping, etc.), but they have only been shown to use it on inanimate objects or are even plain combat inapplicable, thus it is assumed they can't do any more than that in Versus context for this site. Unless Stella has a scan/feat of using EE on living targets, it can be argued that the extent of her EE or Plasma converting caps at inanimate objects and nothing more.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

2. Not really. It was done through "heat". Not matter manipulation. And even matter manipulation doesn't stop at "just objects" unless it's outright stated that "it can only work on objects". There is literally no difference between a living being and an object other than the fact that one well moves and stuff. Both are made of matter, atoms etc. And unless you have the argument as to why heat would only burn inanimate objects, it's not really a point. Considering throughout the fight heat has been a problem for characters.

 

[DeathNoodles]

2. Not really. It was done through "heat". Not matter manipulation. And even matter manipulation doesn't stop at "just objects" unless it's outright stated that "it can only work on objects". There is literally no difference between a living being and an object other than the fact that one well moves and stuff. Both are made of matter, atoms etc. And unless you have the argument as to why heat would only burn inanimate objects, it's not really a point. Considering throughout the fight heat has been a problem for characters.

The said "heat" can also EE, so it clearly is not actual heat here, so it's treated as hax by default. And like hax, it would be necessary to have feats/scans to showcase the extent on the hax's effects, or else it can be assumed that is the extent of their hax's effects and thus can be argued that they couldn't do more than that.

We have characters such as Golden Darkness, who I'm pretty sure has Matter Manipulation but has only shown to use it on inanimate objects or to just create elemental attacks (and it didn't explicitly say that she "caps at inanimate objects either"), thus we don't assume that she can matter manipulate her living targets unless she has showcased such. Similar reasons can apply here.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Stealla age= 15

Golden darkness age= 24000

Japan I have questions...

 

[DeathNoodles]

Stealla age= 15

Golden darkness age= 24000

Japan I have questions...

Japan, the world of anime and manga series that has female characters with mature body figures befitting of a full-grown adult women but is actually 16 years old or under, or a 10 year old looking female that is actually around a century old or older... Yeah.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes, but it's just "fictional heat". Just cus it's "wanked by the author" (let's call it that) doesn't change its mechanics from heat to "hax that works only on matter". Heat is heat, the fact that it does things it's not physically possible doesn't make it something different. Still heat. It's like saying "it's not possible to physically generate this much power from kinetic energy (punches) that's why every physical attack in fiction is hax".

Also that's a specific case cus she's never used it on people even when she should have done it and iirc she can only manipulate something don't remember all too well. I watched too love ru way back (just a lamer version of DxD), but i think there was something about them being specifically only capable of manipulating a certain thing. Even with objects it's not every object just specific ones.

@Pen

Her EE heat is literally just her body heat. She becomes that hot, she doesn't "hit" people, people hit her, but since ikki uses his sword he cut her down with his sword and like part of the blade was ee-d (it wasn't fully EE-d cus he skilled his way through it and cut her down before the heat could completely burn the sword.

He won that fight cus omnidirectional heat can be skilled through by ikki. She nuked the entire venue up to the sky, he just arowed himself through the flames and went to hit Stella so that the flames would stop by lowering his contact surface with the heat so he wouln't be burned. He literally skilled his way through all of Stella's kit. There is literally nothing Stella didn't try.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

If she has passive body heat ee this is a stomp, alex cant touch her and neither can his gasses, its all erased before it touches her. Wait it takes time for her to ee something? If the blade still touched her it doesn't ee instantly...

 

[Firephoenixearl]

If she has passive body heat ee this is a stomp, alex cant touch her and neither can his gasses, its all erased before it touches her.

Not passive, but in character. I'd say it's just decisive for Stella.

Also the gasses aren't even in character for Alex, i barely remember any time he used the gasses he always uses tentacles cus he's a hentai addict. He would go for the absorption via tentacles or normal attacks, but it's very unlikely that stella would give him that much time.

Stella is a bit weird.

1st fight: She asked to fight literally all of the block C combattants (4v1). She was attacked by them, was it by them. Smashed into a wall, came out without a scratch and said "I found it rather bothersome to dodge that".

2nd fight: It was all a set up for the ikki fight so she purpously hid her stuff. But still used a LOT of stuff.

3rd fight: Lol omnidirectional fire right off the bat.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Yes, but it's just "fictional heat". Just cus it's "wanked by the author" (let's call it that) doesn't change its mechanics from heat to "hax that works only on matter". Heat is heat, the fact that it does things it's not physically possible doesn't make it something different. Still heat. It's like saying "it's not possible to physically generate this much power from kinetic energy (punches) that's why every physical attack in fiction is hax".

Also that's a specific case cus she's never used it on people even when she should have done it and iirc she can only manipulate something don't remember all too well. I watched too love ru way back (just a lamer version of DxD), but i think there was something about them being specifically only capable of manipulating a certain thing. Even with objects it's not every object just specific ones.

It can be classified as "heat", but it can be argued that is the extent of her "fictional heat" until she has a scan/feat of EE a living target (even a reliable statement could work, just as long as it explicitly states such). I can argue that her "fictional heat" attacks could only EE or Plasma convert inanimate objects, for that is how hax (or abilities similar to it in this case) is treated in this site. If a character's ability bypasses conventional durability, then it would be necessary to know what the extent and mechanics of that is, and assume that is the cap of their ability until they have feats/scans that says they can do better. This logic can apply to Stella until she has the scans/feats of affecting living targets, especially when said abilities are shown to be durability-negating (with abilities such as EE).

Well, her profile didn't say anything about her Matter Manipulation only working on certain materials (and not working on living targets), so I'm not sure about that. Either way, Golden Darkness' Matter Manipulation is mostly combat inapplicable against living targets because of the lack of feats/scans of affecting living targets, so it should apply to durability-negating abilities like Stella's EE heat.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

If its not passive then she seems liable to get gassed, if she only used it once arguing she'd do straight away against alex seems incredibly faulty. She knows nothing about him, to her he's just some random dude. So she's cocky and likly not to dodge alex gass attack....

edit we've discussed this in the past alex first move is a gass attack to spread the virus and created and infected zone, he will use it regardless of who he's fighting.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Also the gasses aren't even in character for Alex, i barely remember any time he used the gasses he always uses tentacles cus he's a hentai addict. He would go for the absorption via tentacles or normal attacks, but it's very unlikely that stella would give him that much time.

It is, based on Mercer's overall reactions to uninfected targets. He literally gassed the entire Penn Station (with an ordinary civilian sleeping on the bench nearby, and he doesn't even have a qualm of infecting even that civilian with the gasses) and started a viral apocalypse because of his plan to replace humanity, and he similarly used Whitelight gasses to infect un-infected targets such as some Blackwatch soldiers. There were no one who has encountered Prototype 2 Mercer who either isn't dead or hasn't been infected (even Heller himself got infected in some way. Same thing for the people working for Prototype 2 Mercer, who are the Evolved... Who are all infected). Any of the targets that Mercer hasn't tried to infect are those that are already infected in some way. All of this suggests that Mercer would want to infect his targets at the first opportunity.

Edit: Like Pen has said, it would be odd if Stella would lead with such "heat-based" abilities (that includes EE) if she has only used such once and nothing more.

 

[Schnee_One]

I understand that Deathnoodles made an argument regarding this, but whynaught

Here's something I recommend reading regarding heat

How Heat interacts with resistances or standard Durability

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2701842?useskin=oasis#11

To sum it up, 15 Million Degrees is absolutely useless. The Attack Potency and destruction derived from the highest heat ever made means geniuenely nothing in a fight between people higher into the Tier 7 range

Sorry, but 15 Million degrees, really isn't that impressive, nor is any temperature in fiction honestly.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Death

Yes, but he doesn't use it in fights most of the time. He usually tries to consume his targets, not "lol fart" them. He has done it in canon but when he wants to infect a huge group of people, not when he wants to infect a single person.

About the heat. Again bring me a logical argument as to why heat wouldn't work on living beings and it'll be fine.

@Pen

About the edit, ok out of all the moves Alex has done before, name all the times he has used "lol gas" on his opponents. He iirc has never used on single opponents.

She let them hit him because she knew their strength. She had knowledge on their capabilities for the most part. So that's why she let them hit her. And she was severly holding back cus she didn't know if the venue could withstand her full power. There were several factors but "come and hit me" is not a good mechanics. She was trying to go Dragon Spirit start of the match against Ikki while trying to set up a trap, but when she realized it didn't work cus "lol senses" she just went YEET and transformed either way.

She also has passive flame armour of unknown degrees. Possibly of 15 mil but idk.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Yeah and starting him off in a random location he will turn it into an infected zone to make the situation more favorable to him and kill his opponent.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Schnee

This heat could instantly burn High 6-B things. Do we just treat this as dura neg heat?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Schnee, i think you need to resize that pic because it cause my phone to lagging

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yeah and starting him off in a random location he will turn it into an infected zone to make the situation more favorable to him and kill his opponent.

Yes but she's the only one there. It's like saying, "imma just use a nuke to kill a normal human". He doesn't do that.

 

[DeathNoodles]

@Death

Yes, but he doesn't use it in fights most of the time. He usually tries to consume his targets, not "lol fart" them. He has done it in canon but when he wants to infect a huge group of people, not when he wants to infect a single person.

About the heat. Again bring me a logical argument as to why heat wouldn't work on living beings and it'll be fine.

He literally got that civilian on the bench infected. That civilian was basically the only one infected in that screen as far as on-screen portrayal goes (the gasses infected others of course, but it still shows the civilian being the only one on-screen). I don't see why it shouldn't be out of the question for him to "fart" on just one target.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Yes but she's the only one there. It's like saying, "imma just use a nuke to kill a normal Human". He doesn't do that.

Bad example. He literally got an normal human infected within his vicinity and they're basically the only ones present on-screen (thus the only one that Mercer should logically see), so he is not against infecting even ordinary humans even if it's just one. That civilian slumbering on that bench is evidence for that. Plus, Blackwatch Soldiers are just ordinary human soldiers (with the exception of the Super Soldiers), and he's not against infecting them either.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

He's obviously not against infecting humans. He just never does "lol gas" when he has a single target. Absolutely never. He just goes for the whack and slash doesn't really use gasses.

 

[Schnee_One]

<Alex

<Kills Millions of innocent Civilians in New York and as of the comics despises current humanity

<Doesn't do that.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

>Taking what im saying out of context

>Using humans instead of numbers

Fair enough.

I mean he doesn't do it when there is a single person. He only does it when there is a huge number of people to infect around.

 

[DeathNoodles]

He's obviously not against infecting humans. He just never does "lol gas" when he has a single target. Absolutely never. He just goes for the whack and slash doesn't really use gasses.

...Mercer has never gone for the "whack and slash" type of attacks against un-infected targets as of the Prototype 2 timeline (and the human James Heller bit was PIS. Considering the reason Heller was able to resist Mercer's hax was because of "lol, Resilient DNA" that was never elaborated further on, and how Mercer didn't use the rest of his moves that he has from Prototype 1, I'm pretty sure I can argue PIS here). He literally infected that one civilian sleeping on the bench (there was definitely no one else around Mercer's vicinity during that time)... That's evidence for gassing a single target...

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Could you give me that vid?

And he still knew that the gasses would spread and infect everyone else, he was in an inhabted area.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Link

It doesn't matter if the gasses spreads and infected everyone else as an aftereffect, there was still only one individual there at the time, and they were some mere ordinary human (so he isn't against infecting a single ordinary-looking target either). Prototype 2 Mercer's entire mindset is that he wants to infect anything around him, so this would apply to his combat mindset as well, especially against un-infected targets.

And by that logic, I can argue that Mercer would know that he is in New York City from the SBA (which is a inhabited area as well, especially ones that he knows of), and thus Mercer would immediately try to gas.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

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He didn't do that to infect that one guy, he did it to infect everyone around, he never even looked at that guy, he wasn't even a target.

Yes, but we don't allow that, there aren't other people in SBA otherwise people with mind control and stuff would gain stupid advantages by turning the whole city into his minions.

 

[DeathNoodles]

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He didn't do that to infect that one guy, he did it to infect everyone around, he never even looked at that guy, he wasn't even a target.

Yes, but we don't allow that, there aren't other people in SBA otherwise people with mind control and stuff would gain stupid advantages by turning the whole city into his minions.

He literally turned around (and was facing a direction that should have the civilian in his field of vision) and then started to gas. I'm pretty sure that civilian was within his field of vision when he decided to gas, so you arguing that he "has never looked at that guy" doesn't sound logical. And he literally wants to infect everyone on the planet, that was his main goal in Prototype 2, so that logically applies to both singular and multiple targets for gassing. And that civilian was definitely a target (doesn't matter if they're a direct or indirect one). A target for the infection.

Uh, SBA says that exceptions for Outside Influence can work as long as it is explicitly listed in a character's profile (which it is for Mercer summoning infected beings), but fair enough.

Edit: I'm going to take a shower now. BRB.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Yes, but we don't allow that, there aren't other people in SBA otherwise people with mind control and stuff would gain stupid advantages by turning the whole city into his minions.

We do actually, just look at The Thing fights.