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This includes outside the universe, as it is Eru who prevents them from leaving Arda, and they had to cross into the universe to enter Arda.
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The subject of discussion before the current topic. The ship that went past an I innumerable number of stars before returning in a reasonable timeframe.Please explain further.
Could it be they aren’t as fast outside bodiless formsFor added clarity by the way, possible anti-feats of the Spirit forms of Ainur not moving to a location instantly are accounted by Tolkien, as he says they can choose to move elsewhere instantly, or at a lower speed.
So it's more like a varies up to infinite, depending on how fast they want to move.
You are correct, their spirit/true/original forms are seperate to their physical forms in regards to speed.Could it be they aren’t as fast outside bodiless forms
The Vigilot was shown to be capable of flying past an innumerable number of stars in a reasonable timeframe, so an unknown level of mftl+.Ah ok
So what would they have for physical stuff
That is one of the possible issues, but of course, even if it was travel speed, Earendil navigated the ship without crashing into Arda with just his senses, and Ancalagon was obviously able to keep up with its movements.Could that just be travel speed?
I believe travel speed is fine, but for one issue.Here they are:
Speed
Speed is simply how fast a character can move in a given amount of time. There are five types of speed used for VS purposes: Attack Speed, Combat Speed, Reaction Speed, Travel Speed, and Flight Speed. The term "Speed" normally refers to Combat Speed. The speed at which an attack moves. For...vsbattles.fandom.com
If they are shown to be able to engage in combat mid-flight, I'd say it scales to combat speed and reactions as well.Which do you all think is more reasonable? Massively FTL+ travel speed only, or with combat speed included?
It's unknown. We know there was an extended battle, but we don't know the details too well. I'll check the text again later to make sure, but the details are vague.If they are shown to be able to engage in combat mid-flight, I'd say it scales to combat speed and reactions as well.
If not, just leave it as travel speed.
I see.It's unknown. We know there was an extended battle, but we don't know the details too well. I'll check the text again later to make sure, but the details are vague.
Indeed, but the vaugness leaves room for all manner od speculation. It's why I'm personally in favour of a "possibly" rating, but I'll defer to the majority.Hmm. The text doesn't seem mention any flying at full speed during the battle itself.
The Vigilot was shown to be capable of flying past an innumerable number of stars in a reasonable timeframe, so an unknown level of mftl+.
Ancalagon and his winged dragons fought against Earendil riding atop Vigilot, alongside the Eagles of Manwe, so they should scale.
Sauron is the greatest of Melkor's servants so he probably scales above Ancalagon, and by proxy, so do any who compare to him.
Although truth be told, this might need more insight, as cases like Eonwe or Manwe being physically MFTL+ is reasonable, but I'm unsure of Elendil, and Gil-Galad.
Otherwise there's the Balrog speed feat, which I believe is somewhere in the hypersonic or high hypersonic range.
I believe Varda also has her feat of creating the constellations in a relatively short timeframe, but it's rather vague how short this was, possibly even being years.
@Goodyfresh @Colonel_Krukov @Newendigo @Legion350 @DarkDragonMedeus @Edenstar @InfiniteSped @GojiBoyForever @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan"Then, seeing that his hosts were overthrown and his power dispersed, Morgoth quailed, and he dared not to come forth himself. But he loosed upon his foes the last desperate assault that he had prepared, and out of the pits of Angband there issued the winged dragons, that had not before been seen; and so sudden and ruinous was the onset of that dreadful fleet that the host of the Valar was driven back, for the coming of the dragons was with great thunder, and lightning, and a tempest of fire.
But Eärendil came, shining with white flame, and about Vingilot were gathered all the great birds of heaven and Thorondor was their captain, and there was battle in the air all the day and through a dark night of doubt. Before the rising of the sun Eärendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest of the dragon-host, and cast him from the sky; and he fell upon the towers of Thangorodrim, and they were broken in his ruin. Then the sun rose, and the host of the Valar prevailed, and well-nigh all the dragons were destroyed..."
I guess I'll wait for the majority's opinion as well, this seems a bit vague to me as well. Granted I don't know jackshit about LOTR to give any meaningful contribution.Indeed, but the vaugness leaves room for all manner od speculation. It's why I'm personally in favour of a "possibly" rating, but I'll defer to the majority.
The cosmology of LOTR is rather confusing. Not even the state of the world pre-Fall of Numenor is decided, with some stating Arda was always spherical.Impossible to say if it scales to combat since we know basically nothing about the fight. And that's assuming the distances are that high since the stars might not be as far as irl considering the flat earth cosmology, with the sun and moon being smol ships flying around the planet.