Lord of the Rings Downgrades

[Dark649]

Currently most profiles are rated at least 5-C, possibly/likely 4-C but the reason is very iffy about the fruits and beings that enbodies a concept, but were never shown as powerful as the real structures. The same for the Infinite speed ratings due to our future changes where to apply the Infinite Speed rating.

So: I think they should be downgraded back to 6-B from Osse feat and remove the Infinite speed things.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with this.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we need a coherent plan for how to properly rescale the characters. I think that The Everlasting and Matthew are planning a revision. Azathoth's input would also be very useful.

 

[Dark649]

Ok.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask all 3 of them to respond here if you wish.

 

[Dark649]

I asked them.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Just a note, if we do downgrade them, you will have to downgrade Arien as well, since Sauron was stated to be the strongest of the Maiar.

 

[Dark649]

Yes, but i need to wait for the others response.

 

[The_Everlasting]

The Moon/Star level stuff is overall very wrong, as the moon and star were incredibly small in early Arda cosmology, only being made realistic much later.

 

[MasterOfArda]

The Moon/Star level stuff is overall very wrong, as the moon and star were incredibly small in early Arda cosmology, only being made realistic much later.

Can you give me a quote for that?

 

[Tyranno223]

I'm just a bit curious as to why the maiar don't have any low 2c or at least high 3a keys, because in the book it's stated "of the ainur some abode still with Il├║vatar beyond th confines of the world" and considering the aninur are made up of both maiar and valar(it's their race), shouldn't their true forms be comparable?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I agree with the downgrade of the physical manifestations.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the evaluation. However, we still have to figure out what feats that we should scale them from.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There have recently been some very interesting blogs / threads about LOTR on the OBD.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

There have recently been some very interesting blogs / threads about LOTR on the OBD.

Do you have links?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

https://www.narutoforums.org/thread...t-lord-of-the-rings-the-silmarillion.1106192/

 

[Dark649]

Okay. Thank you for the evaluation. However, we still have to figure out what feats that we should scale them from.

By looking at the hystory of the pages, i can restore them to their previous 6-B rating.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Has this been accepted?

And still, some pages never where 6-B, like Arien's.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Valar do have Tier 4 and 3 feats. Like that one Valar who created all the stars in the universe.

 

[MasterOfArda]

The thing is, like I noted, you got to downgrade Arien in or else she scales to Sauron.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yes, physical Valar have legit cosmic feats. I can't think of any physical Maiar who remotely scale, however.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yes, the non Cosmic characters don't scale. No Tier 5 or 4 Sauron. That's wank.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Didn't Osse slow down Ulmo?

Plus, Melian drove away a full power Ungoliant.

 

[MasterOfArda]

I would aprreciate it if you did not acuse me of wank.

I didn't even right the statistics.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Plus, Melian drove away a full power Ungoliant.

Is this referring to the Girdle of Melian?

 

[MasterOfArda]

Yes.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

That might be inconsistency, since if I recall correctly, didn't Carcharoth manage to overpower it when powered by one Silmaril?

 

[MasterOfArda]

He did, but the power of the Silmaril was holy, so that could have contributed.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Possibly, yeah. I'd like to re-read those segments.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Also, this might be a good time to mention that the lines justifying Low 2-C Valar never include the word Valar.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yes, it was technically all Maiar. Though we do not know how many Maiar there are. The reason I think Low 2-C should scale to the Valar (and not High 3-A or something) is because Melkor is actually capable of affecting the entire "song" that formed Eä, and the other Valar were the only ones suggested to be comparable.

 

[Antvasima]

The overall problem here seems to be a massive amount of inconsistency regarding the power levels of the characters.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I thought only the 12 Ainur were Low 2-C.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Ainur=Maiar+Valar

 

[MasterOfArda]

Yes, it was technically all Maiar. Though we do not know how many Maiar there are. The reason I think Low 2-C should scale to the Valar (and not High 3-A or something) is because Melkor is actually capable of affecting the entire "song" that formed Eä, and the other Valar were the only ones suggested to be comparable.

Even being a quarillion times weaker than a Low 2-C is still Low 2-C, right?

 

[MasterOfArda]

The overall problem here seems to be a massive amount of inconsistency regarding the power levels of the characters.

And yes, that is probably right.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Even being a quarillion times weaker than a Low 2-C is still Low 2-C, right?

High 3-A, in most cases.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What do you think of the thread, Azzy?

 

[MasterOfArda]

High 3-A, in most cases.

Well, the Maiar where stated to be comprable to the Valar during the Ainulindale.

What do you think there true forms should be rated as?