Upgrading Lord of the Mysteries

[Zenkaibattery1]

I find myself agreeing with Historian, seeing as he's actually providing sources/scans.

 

[Attendent_of_Mysteries]

Specifically, a bunch of Angels and a True God can murder the Ancient Sun God, who at the time was almost awakened as God Almighty (a persona of the Original Creator). The fact that Rose Redemption can conceal their plot from ASG, the being who had authority over wisdom and omniscience, and even managed to kill ASG with some angels and a single True God would be questionable. Never mind that the single True God could only conceal the plot, and required the help of multiple angels to kill ASG (the Subsidiary Gods were angels at the time of the event).

Do we even know how the fight went and what they used(might have used help from sefirahs like evernight used drop of water against CW) ? If ASG was helping the rose redemption during the fight by limiting/negating the use of chaos sea by GA then it's not impossible to fight against ATS god since he'll just be equivalent to god with multiple pathways but not sefirah.

They had Evernight who has authority over concealment there's also sasrir who has partial control over chaos sea there it perfectly makes sense that they were able to hide it from ASG. The traitor trio used it for their own advantage.

And by looking at what's happening to klein and CW atm it makes perfect sense that ASG even with his omniscience will not be able to know about the betrayal because he's barely conscious himself and has to constantly fight with GA's will for the control of the body.

 

[Super_Nova]

1st thing. The ASG knew of Rose Redemption and helped build it, but he did NOT know that Herabergen, Leodero, and Aucuses would betray him and take his Beyonder Characteristics. The creation of The True Creator was because of ASG's Hanged Man Beyonder Characteristic + humanity + anger at the betrayal. If ASG planned all of this, then he wouldn't have been trying to murder the three betrayers and reclaim his authority in the new book.
2nd thing. ASG was not weakened by God Almighty. That is never stated in the story, we only know that ASG tried to weaken himself by creating Adam and Amon to carry his Beyonder Characteristic. Even then, he wouldn't be weakened to the point that a group of tier 7s would be able to murder a tier 1A. That gap is insurmountable beyond just infinities.
3rd thing. We do know how he died. In Book 1, Klein was able to pry into the past of the Unshadowed Crucifix and saw ASG being gained up by the angels.

I find it a bit weird how you agree that ASG orchestrated his own assassination and then say he was beat by a bunch of angels. We don’t actually know how ASG got killed at that time, but frankly it doesn’t matter. Characters like Amanises were already Sequence 0 at that point, so they were already at the “same level of reality”.

The betrayal was Aucuses, Herabergen and Leodero simply eating his corpse and effectively absorbing the corresponding characteristics. Because he no longer had the characteristics, he could no longer revive.

Where are the True God's divine kingdoms located? In the barrier, in attempt to mend the barrier.
Why do the True Gods advocate for the rise of another True God? SO another True God can help mend the barrier.
Where do the characters believe the True Gods are located? In the Astral World, the World of the Gods.
Where do the True Gods fight when Klein takes his apotheosis ritual? In the Astral World.
What is the Astral World depicted as? Klein says the Astral World is a canvas (you know, something with a surface and end) where the Gods paint symbolism and authority. A painting of the sun is seen. (One of the things the True Gods paint because the real sun is corrupted by the Outer Gods)

I want you to consider these things. If the Astral World is not in the barrier, then how come the Outer Gods who are hungry to devour everything from Earth not already corrupting the True Gods? If the Astral World is not in the barrier, how come the True Gods can live in their divine kingdoms without worrying about the Outer Gods just killing them? If the Astral World is not in the barrier, then how come the True Gods can fight in the Astral World and the Outer Gods do literally nothing about that opportunity? How come when the Outer Gods DO try to influence the battle, it is through limited means like every time they try to influence anything inside the barrier?

I like how you completely ignored @LOTM_Historian. As he showed in the scan, the Astral World extends into the cosmos as well.

1. Because of this fact that it also extends to the cosmos, Planeswalkers are able to traverse the cosmos through the Astral World by becoming symbols.

2. Have you not considered the fact that the barrier also extends to the Astral World? Like how the Astral Realm is realm located throughout the entire universe like how the Spirit World is? Because I could ask the exact same question for the Spirit World as well, because the barrier very clearly also extends to it. The fact is that the barrier only extends to the part of the Astral Realm that is “located in Earth”.

3. We see the crimson moon/Mother Goddess of Depravity clearly in the Astral World after Klein enters it.

 

[Attendent_of_Mysteries]

Another disqualifier is regarding the Astral World. It is the barrier that protects the Earth from the Outer Gods, each True God's divine kingdom is situated in it to mend that barrier. There are multiple disqualifiers, such as the Astral World only exists within the barrier of the Earth, the concepts inside the Astral World being localized to create a firmament (such as the symbolism and authorities creating a painting of the sun, which everyone on the planet sees), and True Gods being able to physically fight within the Astral World. In conclusion, the Astral World is not similar to Plato's world of Idealized Forms at all.

if the Astral world is just a barrier over the earth formed by OC then how is it possible to travel to the cosmos using wandering ? since the door pathway uses the astral world for wandering it's not just a barrier over earth and it's atleast omnipresent like Spirit World.

Everyone on the planet sees ? ok you must be reading a fanfic version of LOTM unless you can show scans.

It's been mentioned multiple times that the gods do reside on Astral world now and the barrier also exist there. It makes sense that the barrier strong enough to hold all the outer gods will be there because it's the strongest structure in the verse holding all the symbolism, authority and concepts. Also even if the essence of the barrier lies inside the Astral World it's omnipresent around the earth in physical, spirit and Astral world.