Lord of the Mysteries Discussion Thread

[Metalballrun]

The current layout looks better.

I see the benefits of using more tabbers, but that's only really necessary if there are more profiles, and there aren't at this time.

You can try exploring more verse pages that have similar format and see how their layout works, that'd improve things.

 

[LOTM_Historian]

The current layout looks better.

I see the benefits of using more tabbers, but that's only really necessary if there are more profiles, and there aren't at this time.

You can try exploring more verse pages that have similar format and see how their layout works, that'd improve things.

When are we going to upgrade LOTM’s scaling? Because right now it’s kinda outdated.

 

[Metalballrun]

When are we going to upgrade LOTM’s scaling? Because right now it’s kinda outdated.

Quite frankly, my views of how LOTM scales is vastly different from yours. If anyone wants to tackle that, they gotta do it themselves.

When I revise the verse, it's going to be focused on the lower sequences first.

 

[LOTM_Historian]

Quite frankly, my views of how LOTM scales is vastly different from yours. If anyone wants to tackle that, they gotta do it themselves.

When I revise the verse, it's going to be focused on the lower sequences first.

Are you open for discussion about how LOTM scales? Like on discord or something.

 

[LazyDaoist]

Physically Sequence 4 and above Demigods can at least scale from a Reaper attack, something about a Reaper attack can't even injure something while an attack with godhood can, so like at least 8-C
Angels can scale/downscale from a Sequence 1 (Mythical Form?) Mr Door shaking an island with a punch, i got High 7-C to Low 7-B when i tried to calc it

 

[LOTM_Historian]

Where are we scaling CW shaking the entire Astral World with his aura?

The “curtain” that enveloped the Antigonus palace instantly vanished. An indescribable aura returned to reality, causing the entire astral world to shake.

Outside the world barrier that was covered in cracks, the terrifying, indescribable faces suddenly changed.

The invisible barrier began to tremble violently as if it would collapse at any moment.

Every continent on the planet within experienced an earthquake. It wasn’t a serious one, just rather obvious.

Above the Five Seas, waves surged, as if they had encountered a sudden tidal force.

Amid the “noon” sky, the crimson moon suddenly appeared. Its color became extremely saturated and expanded in an exaggerated manner. It was as if it had hung off the roofs of every house. Other than that, the Brown Planet, Orange Planet, Scarlet Planet, Gold Planet, and Blue Planet lit up at the same time, emitting light of different textures.

If one looked down from the cosmos, the entire Earth appeared to be swept up by an invisible storm and trembled in place.

This was a slight change brought about by the Outer Deities’ attempt to break the barrier.

The aura that floated inside the ancient palace in the astral world had made “Them” collectively recall that terrifying existence. Agitated by this, either a result of rage or madness, all of “Them” tried to stop “His” revival.

 

[LazyDaoist]

Where are we scaling CW shaking the entire Astral World with his aura?

Shaking a universe is 4-A, CW and the the other pillars will likely just scale to the 4th pillar being at least Low 2-C/2-C

 

[LOTM_Historian]

Shaking a universe is 4-A, CW and the the other pillars will likely just scale to the 4th pillar being at least Low 2-C/2-C

Wow, that’s a lot lower than I have it. What do you think about the LOTM cosmology scaling in these discord forum threads?: https://discord.gg/qb7wrur4Gj

 

[LazyDaoist]

Wow, that’s a lot lower than I have it. What do you think about the LOTM cosmology scaling in these discord forum threads?: https://discord.gg/qb7wrur4Gj

Can't see the link since i don't use discord like at all, my rough ideas on the potential scaling is like this

Sequences 5 is tier 9-C/B physically
Sequences 4 can at least scales to 8-C from being above a Sequence 5 Reaper AP that scales from Sequence 5 Tyrant Pathway Lightning Strike
Sequences 3 scales to Silver Knight 8-A and physically strong Myth Form Sequences 4 can downscale a bit from this since Audrey in her dragon from can keep up physically with an untransformed Silver Knight for a bit
Sequences 1 at least scales physically from Mr Door shaking an island with a punch and/or Adam AP from creating an island
Physically weak Sequences 0 can at least scales to Klein physical AP just via large size from enveloping the planet otherwise they can scale to 4-C because Aucuses form being a literal Sun
General Outer Deities possibly scaling from the statement they can destroy a galaxy (since in the translation it's solar system but the chinese is 星系)

I'll add that this all from the 1st novel since i been holding off keeping up with CoI so i don't know info from CoI beyond volume 4

 

[LOTM_Historian]

Can't see the link since i don't use discord like at all, my rough ideas on the potential scaling is like this

Sequences 5 is tier 9-C/B physically
Sequences 4 can at least scales to 8-C from being above a Sequence 5 Reaper AP that scales from Sequence 5 Tyrant Pathway Lightning Strike
Sequences 3 scales to Silver Knight 8-A and physically strong Myth Form Sequences 4 can downscale a bit from this since Audrey in her dragon from can keep up physically with an untransformed Silver Knight for a bit
Sequences 1 at least scales physically from Mr Door shaking an island with a punch and/or Adam AP from creating an island
Physically weak Sequences 0 can at least scales to Klein physical AP just via large size from enveloping the planet otherwise they can scale to 4-C because Aucuses form being a literal Sun
General Outer Deities possibly scaling from the statement they can destroy a galaxy (since in the translation it's solar system but the chinese is 星系)

I'll add that this all from the 1st novel since i been holding off keeping up with CoI so i don't know info from CoI beyond volume 4

I think you might find some of these interesting. Since you can't join our discord, I put some of our scaling into Imgur for you. Make sure to load all other images when you click on the links because some of these scales are quite long:

5D Spirit world:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mY-Nvwq1E4jOCSDp1CIrG_RnCPJ2L0CfdDnnBdZx8YE/edit

Sefirah Castle 6D: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_3MevIQpf3ussg4mmgkpkqR-kKGgbWoHBrY-0HXEYFo/edit

Painting World 5D+: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E3y09CEpQX_WtukWZ5CLZs0hVWcvc8n6r4pPyGZ3vdI/edit

Mirror World (Potentially 5D?): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lK9yGtKeSFOnkfAuQ6JlMY6CuQ3gDYCuQQylRzb6yIQ/edit

Higher Dimensional Mind World/Collective Subconscious and Hax (possible): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MBtT5ISUeTSWj_Gfm0AKkvrQjjyytb-EMwUKMDN9LUA/edit

5D Groselle’s Travels: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kZBF0sab9yc9WU5eaZsqXw6EE3klqyRardES8fVe_ZQ/edit

Infinite 3D Box of the Great Old Ones: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YerFDl1xjWA3y1byfCiqXG8iz6Bta-Qr4_nh2czugcM/edit

4D Blue Avenger (Alger's ship): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kj8nFUABQHCq5HEUbU-gizSX5pZRn8-AsdkpR5KfEms/edit

(1-A new vsb, 7D old vsb)Astral World: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4awX0yUsEwMQcd8y06Q4K-n59hIL8AQa_uojkSbr-I/edit

Mythical Creature forms and Character dimensionality: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11h0ahrM9CgKpN2dMRxSLQ2L6vaPMho86q7ZptYczM-U/edit?usp=sharing

Angelic Hax Scale to the Original Creator's Dimensionality/Layer: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i_pJ2A6HhNc5UpC-mG8kZQB0bqMn5Plr9n9pFOJzQV8/edit?usp=sharing

(1-A new vsb, 7D-8D old vsb) Original Creator's Transduality: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a8lOIOqK3futCcgyOSxhfVZ__v5ESWmPzqh2CMGQnwg/edit?usp=sharing

Infinite sized Chaos Sea: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gQ3VcmvfVwJjm6Xe8gVFWk2SKyMnUazD7zxaCORJwTo/edit?usp=sharing

Infinite sized Underworld: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NcnW828DYrGlAc0Et5S64WfTAvpdDYWoHcge0g-2hsw/edit?usp=sharing

Speed:​

Light-based attacks in LOTM are at the speed of light: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KuB0k_YiRAh9FmiYNXy8Vmk_lmTRwWqVj4zW5d81xqE/edit?usp=sharing

LOTM Demi-Gods dodging Light Beams: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bx3zq4b9kduUrA4yGAuTsZYY2He3bJRnGZHd9LDXEVE/edit?usp=sharing

Supersonic+ Low Sequences: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1flyi9I3yf1aJaa6XZ48xHR3hr5yvuxLgqej1da3I77U/edit?usp=sharing

 

[LazyDaoist]

I think you might find some of these interesting. Since you can't join our discord, I put some of our scaling into Imgur for you. Make sure to load all other images when you click on the links because some of these scales are quite long:

5D Spirit world: https://imgur.com/gallery/5d-spirit-world-lord-of-mysteries-zmeOo4d

Sefirah Castle 6D: https://imgur.com/gallery/sefirah-castle-6d-scale-lord-of-mysteries-Bbm1EoH

Painting World 5D+: https://imgur.com/gallery/painting-world-5d-lord-of-mysteries-amY90lv

Mirror World (Potentially 5D?): https://imgur.com/gallery/mirror-world-potentially-5d-lord-of-mysteries-K6Ol95c

Higher Dimensional Mind World/Collective Subconscious and Hax (possible): https://imgur.com/gallery/higher-dimensional-mind-world-hax-lord-of-mysteries-TvN0z7c

5D Groselle’s Travels: https://imgur.com/gallery/5d-groselle-s-travels-lord-of-mysteries-8pUEWvB

Infinite 3D Box of the Great Old Ones: https://imgur.com/gallery/infinite-3d-box-of-great-old-ones-lord-of-mysteries-0OFncCf

Potential 4D Blue Avenger (Alger's ship): https://imgur.com/gallery/potential-4d-blue-avenger-algers-ship-lord-of-mysteries-XMgI8ly

7D to possibly 8D Astral World: https://imgur.com/gallery/7d-to-possible-8d-astral-world-lord-of-mysteries-BmV9AoN

I still think it's not enough to prove tier 1 for the Higher Dimensional stuff by info we have right now, even though i can see some similarity with the higher dimension in the cuttlefish previous novel, like LOTM True God being "Unique" and the Astral World being the source of concepts, i'll wait for more info on the Astral World, Outer Deity and Sefirahs, the Original Creator have a chance for 1-A anyway if he's beyond dimensional with the new standard i think

Mythical Creature forms and Character dimensionality: https://imgur.com/gallery/mythical-creature-forms-character-dimensionality-lord-of-mysteries-haQGZpH

Angelic Hax Scale to the Original Creator's Dimensionality/Layer: https://imgur.com/gallery/angelic-h...imensionality-layer-lord-of-mysteries-KC9WXR9

I actually think every single living thing not just Angels is possibly smurf as in scaling to Original Creator dimensionality haxwise, why resistance to hax increase in LOTM is because something have more godhood while the most apparent is after becoming a demigod (like resisting insta death mask after "attaining" godhood) we know that everything have the OC godhood

 

[Deleted member 40688]

I will be rereading LOTM.
Is there anything where i can help?

 

[LOTM_Historian]

So with these VSB revisions, what is our plan? We should start pushing for 1-A.

 

[LOTM_Historian]

I made a LOTM 1-A Cosmology Blog: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...n/Lord_of_the_Mysteries_Cosmology_Explanation

 

[Flyyyyy4280]

I intend to revise Lord of the Mysteries to make it more modern. I find it quite outdated, and some parts of the scan are missing

 

[Flyyyyy4280]

I might need to divide it into multiple parts because the content is too extensive

 

[Solid0of0]

Can we start to fix the vsb.fandom page? Mainly the parts pertaining to the "Power of the Verse", "Explanation" etc; example

"As a whole, Lord of the Mysteries is not a really strong verse in terms of attack potency and speed as it happens in a victorian era world with fantasy elements interchanged between making the Beyonders be around Wall level,"

this is such a bad way to put the lotm verse as a whole. Generalizing beyonders from sequence 9-1 as wall level. This can be understood from the point where Lumians at sequence 5 breaks down reinforced walls. Can we make these changes while the community waits on its content revision.

 

[LazyDaoist]

Can we start to fix the vsb.fandom page? Mainly the parts pertaining to the "Power of the Verse", "Explanation" etc; example

"As a whole, Lord of the Mysteries is not a really strong verse in terms of attack potency and speed as it happens in a victorian era world with fantasy elements interchanged between making the Beyonders be around Wall level,"

this is such a bad way to put the lotm verse as a whole. Generalizing beyonders from sequence 9-1 as wall level. This can be understood from the point where Lumians at sequence 5 breaks down reinforced walls. Can we make these changes while the community waits on its content revision.

Yeah lol, Klein's page still have him physically 9-B up to sequence 1, you can use something like "a Reaper can barely damage demigod" to scale all demigod even the physically weak ones to at least be above a Reaper AP, Mr Door punching and shaking an island for the baseline physical for Angels because the Mysteries group is known to be physically weak, the physically strong True Gods can scale to the Sun, and maybe you can find a baseline for True Gods if you can calc AP from Klein covering the planet

 

[LoganKroos]

Answer me one thing, now that the great old ones are 1A, would the creator be high 1A? since everything came from him

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Answer me one thing, now that the great old ones are 1A, would the creator be high 1A? since everything came from him

No because he just scales to authorities/concepts. Plus there would be a pretty obvious anti-feat if he was High 1-A (being able to be reduced into 1-A things by splitting).

 

[LazyDaoist]

Madam Magician quickly glanced at Mr. Fool, and seeing no particular reaction from this great existence, she continued, 'Sefirot are collections of symbols, sources of authority, and origins of power.

'Back then, when the original Creator awakened, causing the destruction of the old era, He split into six sefirot, sixteen Uniquenesses, and all the Beyonder characteristics of sixteen paths of the divine.'

At this point, Mr. Fool lightly tapped the edge of the bronze long table and added, 'Normally, like Uniquenesses, sefirot cannot be divided, copied, or destroyed. Only one situation can cause them to be torn apart—encountering the original Creator.

'He is the 'Exception', the 'Inconceivable', the 'Incomprehensible', the 'Indescribable'. All things that shouldn't happen might happen when encountering Him—unknowable, undiscussable, unnameable.

'And it was this single instance of sefirot being torn apart that led the Great Old Dominators to discover that torn sefirot could self-complete.

'The sefirot of the Mother Goddess of Depravity that was torn into our planet self-completed into the Brood Hive. The Mother Tree of Desire lost titles such as 'Father of Devils' and 'Source of Curses', and they perfected themselves into the Tenebrous World.

Seems like this confirms the Sefirot is the source rather than the Astral World (which i think is just products of the Chaos Sea)

'The Celestial Master told me that their sect's ancestral court had once been breached and occupied by the Luo Sect, and many historical Celestial Masters had romantic entanglements with Luo Sect holy maidens and had children with them.'

'Luo Sect…' Both The Chariot Lumian and Madam Magician Fors were somewhat confused.

Mr. Fool smiled. 'The Luo Sect has a saying: 'Unborn Ancient Mother, True Void Homeland'.'

'Unborn Ancient Mother, True Void Homeland'… True Void Homeland… Paramita? Lumian suddenly understood. 'This is a sect that worships the Brood Hive? 'Unborn Ancient Mother' is a title for the Brood Hive?'

also lol LOTM big bad (kinda) turns out to be Wusheng Laomu again (same as SWTS)

 

[LOTM_Historian]

Seems like this confirms the Sefirot is the source rather than the Astral World (which i think is just products of the Chaos Sea)

OC > Sefirots (Source of Authority) > Astral world (which holds authorities). However, they are all at the same ontological level.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that the Chaos Sea produced the Astral World.

I will probably wait until the end of COI before I add more to the pages, we still need more information.

He is the 'Exception', the 'Inconceivable', the 'Incomprehensible', the 'Indescribable'. All things that shouldn't happen might happen when encountering Him—unknowable, undiscussable, unnameable.

 

[LazyDaoist]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that the Chaos Sea produced the Astral World

Don't remember the exact words or what chapter, it's when Klein speculate that the Spirit World is made from beyonder characteristics when it was explained that ghost draws their power from the Spirit World, so i'm assuming that Sefirah Castle > Spirit World with Astral World being the same except it's from the Chaos Sea, it's why a Lord of Mysteries is Lord of Spirit World and a God Almighty is Lord of Astral World

Something that cuttlefish haven't really explained in LOTM and COI is what Chaos Sea containing all "color" mean, but what i know from SWTS is that what he means by color here should be concept or symbolized a concept

After an unknown period of time, the multi-colored lights became bright again. They revolved around and formed a huge millstone or a crazy vortex, completely blocking all directions.

Streams of light continuously poured into the millstone, and the core of the Millstone was bottomless. It was dark and difficult to see, as if it was leading to a different path of reincarnation.

Seeing this scene, Liu Luo’s expression was slightly solemn. “Water element, fire element, light, burning, drowning, Void, life, death, filth, fate, Yin Virtue...”

The streams of light that were revolving corresponded to different illusory concepts, like broken authority, Split Great Dao, like the blue and black light that symbolized the water element, the pure white light that symbolized light, and the vibrant green of life, the silent darkness that symbolized death, the pale white flowing colors that symbolized yin virtue..

The construction tree held up the sky and penetrated into the chaos. It penetrated into places that were difficult to reach. Originally, it was difficult to see the branches, but at this moment, one could see that there was a hazy, clear light sprinkling down, a fruit that seemed to contain all colors, all rules, all principles, all possible dao patterns fell down. All the opposite concepts and descriptions were perfectly integrated from a higher level.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Don't remember the exact words or what chapter, it's when Klein speculate that the Spirit World is made from beyonder characteristics when it was explained that ghost draws their power from the Spirit World, so i'm assuming that Sefirah Castle > Spirit World with Astral World being the same except it's from the Chaos Sea, it's why a Lord of Mysteries is Lord of Spirit World and a God Almighty is Lord of Astral World

Something that cuttlefish haven't really explained in LOTM and COI is what Chaos Sea containing all "color" mean, but what i know from SWTS is that what he means by color here should be concept or symbolized a concept

I think color is suppose to be a buddhist term in context. Probably hard to notice or understand when translated to english.

 

[LazyDaoist]

Above the sequences new lore dump

Madam Magician glanced at the bronze long table in front of Mr. Fool, and seeing no objection from this great existence, she carefully said, "There are actually different levels for Above the Sequences.
"The Mother Tree of Desire, Monarch of Decay, and other Great Old Dominators are at the first level. Besides Them, there are some other Outer Deities in the depths of cosmos, but They are either weaker in strength or have no desire for the symbolic meanings of the sefirot within the barrier, so They aren't involved in this matter.
"The original Creator is at the third level, representing the ultimate, representing chaos, beginning and end, representing the unknowable and undiscussable. No existence can surpass this level, and this level can only have one being, and it's very unstable because both aggregation and division are His instincts.

"Between the first and third levels, there's another level-the second level.

"The great existences at the second level aren't much more powerful than the strongest first-level Great Old Ones like the Mother Tree of Desire, Child of Chaos, and Monarch of Decay, but They possess special symbolism. They are the foundation for the universe's maintenance and development, each supporting a realm, and are known as 'Pillars'."

Madam Magician Fors nodded. "From a realistic perspective, there are countless planets in the universe, each planet equivalent to a world, and simultaneously, there exist numerous alternate dimensions, too many to count.

"But in mysticism, there are only three layers of worlds: the physical world, the spirit world, and the astral world.

"Many schools of mysticism might have different interpretations of this, but the final division of worlds still comes down to just three layers.

"Returning to conventional concepts, the primordial God Almighty is the dominator of the astral world, Mr. Fool is the lord of the spirit world, and the Mother Goddess of Depravity is the sovereign of the physical world. Well, although She had part of Her sefirot torn away. She still possesses the symbolism and status of a Pillar.

"Each controls a realm, but not completely. Their authorities overlap with each other-that's what Pillars are.

"Complete Pillars are at the second level of Above the Sequences, with a status higher than other Great Old Ones and slightly stronger in power, but not fundamentally different. A complete Pillar can defeat a Great Old One but cannot truly kill Them, and at most can simultaneously fight against two Great Old Ones, probably..."
Mr. Fool, shrouded in grayish-white fog, neither confirmed nor denied her statement.

 

[LazyDaoist]

Mr. Fool, shrouded in grayish-white fog, explained in a calm tone. "This world was born from chaos. Besides the astral world's dominator, the spirit world's lord, and reality's sovereign, there is another important symbolism-one that represents the endpoint of destiny, the universe's destruction, and the finale of all things. Under such a symbolism, even the Celestial Worthy of Heaven and Earth for Blessings and the Mother Goddess of Depravity would completely perish. Their spirits no longer existing, everything returning to chaos. Of course, the hidden fourth Pillar would meet the same fate, not much later than us.

"Or rather, Its self-destruction brings about all termination."

Eh the universal end is basically the same as before, it was already said 4th pillar destroys the universe before but it's more explicit here with returning to chaos, everything born from and return to chaos singularity (Wuji), the OC and (and his characteristics true nature?) should probably have NEP type 2 all aspects

Though the OC looks like is not really transcendent (not the true end of cuttlefish powerlevel) given that the other Great Old Ones can still see and interact with him (his incomplete 6 sefirot version at least), and still the beginning and end of everything