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Lord of the Mysteries Discussion Thread

The current layout looks better.

I see the benefits of using more tabbers, but that's only really necessary if there are more profiles, and there aren't at this time.

You can try exploring more verse pages that have similar format and see how their layout works, that'd improve things.
 
The current layout looks better.

I see the benefits of using more tabbers, but that's only really necessary if there are more profiles, and there aren't at this time.

You can try exploring more verse pages that have similar format and see how their layout works, that'd improve things.
When are we going to upgrade LOTM’s scaling? Because right now it’s kinda outdated.
 
When are we going to upgrade LOTM’s scaling? Because right now it’s kinda outdated.
Quite frankly, my views of how LOTM scales is vastly different from yours. If anyone wants to tackle that, they gotta do it themselves.

When I revise the verse, it's going to be focused on the lower sequences first.
 
Quite frankly, my views of how LOTM scales is vastly different from yours. If anyone wants to tackle that, they gotta do it themselves.

When I revise the verse, it's going to be focused on the lower sequences first.
Are you open for discussion about how LOTM scales? Like on discord or something.
 
Physically Sequence 4 and above Demigods can at least scale from a Reaper attack, something about a Reaper attack can't even injure something while an attack with godhood can, so like at least 8-C
Angels can scale/downscale from a Sequence 1 (Mythical Form?) Mr Door shaking an island with a punch, i got High 7-C to Low 7-B when i tried to calc it
 
Where are we scaling CW shaking the entire Astral World with his aura?

The “curtain” that enveloped the Antigonus palace instantly vanished. An indescribable aura returned to reality, causing the entire astral world to shake.

Outside the world barrier that was covered in cracks, the terrifying, indescribable faces suddenly changed.

The invisible barrier began to tremble violently as if it would collapse at any moment.

Every continent on the planet within experienced an earthquake. It wasn’t a serious one, just rather obvious.

Above the Five Seas, waves surged, as if they had encountered a sudden tidal force.

Amid the “noon” sky, the crimson moon suddenly appeared. Its color became extremely saturated and expanded in an exaggerated manner. It was as if it had hung off the roofs of every house. Other than that, the Brown Planet, Orange Planet, Scarlet Planet, Gold Planet, and Blue Planet lit up at the same time, emitting light of different textures.

If one looked down from the cosmos, the entire Earth appeared to be swept up by an invisible storm and trembled in place.

This was a slight change brought about by the Outer Deities’ attempt to break the barrier.

The aura that floated inside the ancient palace in the astral world had made “Them” collectively recall that terrifying existence. Agitated by this, either a result of rage or madness, all of “Them” tried to stop “His” revival.
 
Wow, that’s a lot lower than I have it. What do you think about the LOTM cosmology scaling in these discord forum threads?: https://discord.gg/qb7wrur4Gj
Can't see the link since i don't use discord like at all, my rough ideas on the potential scaling is like this

Sequences 5 is tier 9-C/B physically
Sequences 4 can at least scales to 8-C from being above a Sequence 5 Reaper AP that scales from Sequence 5 Tyrant Pathway Lightning Strike
Sequences 3 scales to Silver Knight 8-A and physically strong Myth Form Sequences 4 can downscale a bit from this since Audrey in her dragon from can keep up physically with an untransformed Silver Knight for a bit
Sequences 1 at least scales physically from Mr Door shaking an island with a punch and/or Adam AP from creating an island
Physically weak Sequences 0 can at least scales to Klein physical AP just via large size from enveloping the planet otherwise they can scale to 4-C because Aucuses form being a literal Sun
General Outer Deities possibly scaling from the statement they can destroy a galaxy (since in the translation it's solar system but the chinese is 星系)

I'll add that this all from the 1st novel since i been holding off keeping up with CoI so i don't know info from CoI beyond volume 4
 
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Can't see the link since i don't use discord like at all, my rough ideas on the potential scaling is like this

Sequences 5 is tier 9-C/B physically
Sequences 4 can at least scales to 8-C from being above a Sequence 5 Reaper AP that scales from Sequence 5 Tyrant Pathway Lightning Strike
Sequences 3 scales to Silver Knight 8-A and physically strong Myth Form Sequences 4 can downscale a bit from this since Audrey in her dragon from can keep up physically with an untransformed Silver Knight for a bit
Sequences 1 at least scales physically from Mr Door shaking an island with a punch and/or Adam AP from creating an island
Physically weak Sequences 0 can at least scales to Klein physical AP just via large size from enveloping the planet otherwise they can scale to 4-C because Aucuses form being a literal Sun
General Outer Deities possibly scaling from the statement they can destroy a galaxy (since in the translation it's solar system but the chinese is 星系)

I'll add that this all from the 1st novel since i been holding off keeping up with CoI so i don't know info from CoI beyond volume 4
I think you might find some of these interesting. Since you can't join our discord, I put some of our scaling into Imgur for you. Make sure to load all other images when you click on the links because some of these scales are quite long:

5D Spirit world:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mY-Nvwq1E4jOCSDp1CIrG_RnCPJ2L0CfdDnnBdZx8YE/edit

Sefirah Castle 6D: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_3MevIQpf3ussg4mmgkpkqR-kKGgbWoHBrY-0HXEYFo/edit

Painting World 5D+: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E3y09CEpQX_WtukWZ5CLZs0hVWcvc8n6r4pPyGZ3vdI/edit

Mirror World (Potentially 5D?): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lK9yGtKeSFOnkfAuQ6JlMY6CuQ3gDYCuQQylRzb6yIQ/edit

Higher Dimensional Mind World/Collective Subconscious and Hax (possible): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MBtT5ISUeTSWj_Gfm0AKkvrQjjyytb-EMwUKMDN9LUA/edit

5D Groselle’s Travels: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kZBF0sab9yc9WU5eaZsqXw6EE3klqyRardES8fVe_ZQ/edit

Infinite 3D Box of the Great Old Ones: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YerFDl1xjWA3y1byfCiqXG8iz6Bta-Qr4_nh2czugcM/edit

4D Blue Avenger (Alger's ship): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kj8nFUABQHCq5HEUbU-gizSX5pZRn8-AsdkpR5KfEms/edit

(1-A new vsb, 7D old vsb)Astral World: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4awX0yUsEwMQcd8y06Q4K-n59hIL8AQa_uojkSbr-I/edit

Mythical Creature forms and Character dimensionality: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11h0ahrM9CgKpN2dMRxSLQ2L6vaPMho86q7ZptYczM-U/edit?usp=sharing

Angelic Hax Scale to the Original Creator's Dimensionality/Layer: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i_pJ2A6HhNc5UpC-mG8kZQB0bqMn5Plr9n9pFOJzQV8/edit?usp=sharing

(1-A new vsb, 7D-8D old vsb) Original Creator's Transduality: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a8lOIOqK3futCcgyOSxhfVZ__v5ESWmPzqh2CMGQnwg/edit?usp=sharing

Infinite sized Chaos Sea: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gQ3VcmvfVwJjm6Xe8gVFWk2SKyMnUazD7zxaCORJwTo/edit?usp=sharing

Infinite sized Underworld: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NcnW828DYrGlAc0Et5S64WfTAvpdDYWoHcge0g-2hsw/edit?usp=sharing

Speed:

Light-based attacks in LOTM are at the speed of light: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KuB0k_YiRAh9FmiYNXy8Vmk_lmTRwWqVj4zW5d81xqE/edit?usp=sharing

LOTM Demi-Gods dodging Light Beams: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bx3zq4b9kduUrA4yGAuTsZYY2He3bJRnGZHd9LDXEVE/edit?usp=sharing

Supersonic+ Low Sequences: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1flyi9I3yf1aJaa6XZ48xHR3hr5yvuxLgqej1da3I77U/edit?usp=sharing
 
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I think you might find some of these interesting. Since you can't join our discord, I put some of our scaling into Imgur for you. Make sure to load all other images when you click on the links because some of these scales are quite long:

5D Spirit world: https://imgur.com/gallery/5d-spirit-world-lord-of-mysteries-zmeOo4d

Sefirah Castle 6D: https://imgur.com/gallery/sefirah-castle-6d-scale-lord-of-mysteries-Bbm1EoH

Painting World 5D+: https://imgur.com/gallery/painting-world-5d-lord-of-mysteries-amY90lv

Mirror World (Potentially 5D?): https://imgur.com/gallery/mirror-world-potentially-5d-lord-of-mysteries-K6Ol95c

Higher Dimensional Mind World/Collective Subconscious and Hax (possible): https://imgur.com/gallery/higher-dimensional-mind-world-hax-lord-of-mysteries-TvN0z7c

5D Groselle’s Travels: https://imgur.com/gallery/5d-groselle-s-travels-lord-of-mysteries-8pUEWvB

Infinite 3D Box of the Great Old Ones: https://imgur.com/gallery/infinite-3d-box-of-great-old-ones-lord-of-mysteries-0OFncCf

Potential 4D Blue Avenger (Alger's ship): https://imgur.com/gallery/potential-4d-blue-avenger-algers-ship-lord-of-mysteries-XMgI8ly

7D to possibly 8D Astral World: https://imgur.com/gallery/7d-to-possible-8d-astral-world-lord-of-mysteries-BmV9AoN
I still think it's not enough to prove tier 1 for the Higher Dimensional stuff by info we have right now, even though i can see some similarity with the higher dimension in the cuttlefish previous novel, like LOTM True God being "Unique" and the Astral World being the source of concepts, i'll wait for more info on the Astral World, Outer Deity and Sefirahs, the Original Creator have a chance for 1-A anyway if he's beyond dimensional with the new standard i think

I actually think every single living thing not just Angels is possibly smurf as in scaling to Original Creator dimensionality haxwise, why resistance to hax increase in LOTM is because something have more godhood while the most apparent is after becoming a demigod (like resisting insta death mask after "attaining" godhood) we know that everything have the OC godhood
 
I will be rereading LOTM.
Is there anything where i can help?
 
Can we start to fix the vsb.fandom page? Mainly the parts pertaining to the "Power of the Verse", "Explanation" etc; example

"As a whole, Lord of the Mysteries is not a really strong verse in terms of attack potency and speed as it happens in a victorian era world with fantasy elements interchanged between making the Beyonders be around Wall level,"

this is such a bad way to put the lotm verse as a whole. Generalizing beyonders from sequence 9-1 as wall level. This can be understood from the point where Lumians at sequence 5 breaks down reinforced walls. Can we make these changes while the community waits on its content revision.
 
Can we start to fix the vsb.fandom page? Mainly the parts pertaining to the "Power of the Verse", "Explanation" etc; example

"As a whole, Lord of the Mysteries is not a really strong verse in terms of attack potency and speed as it happens in a victorian era world with fantasy elements interchanged between making the Beyonders be around Wall level,"

this is such a bad way to put the lotm verse as a whole. Generalizing beyonders from sequence 9-1 as wall level. This can be understood from the point where Lumians at sequence 5 breaks down reinforced walls. Can we make these changes while the community waits on its content revision.
Yeah lol, Klein's page still have him physically 9-B up to sequence 1, you can use something like "a Reaper can barely damage demigod" to scale all demigod even the physically weak ones to at least be above a Reaper AP, Mr Door punching and shaking an island for the baseline physical for Angels because the Mysteries group is known to be physically weak, the physically strong True Gods can scale to the Sun, and maybe you can find a baseline for True Gods if you can calc AP from Klein covering the planet
 
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Answer me one thing, now that the great old ones are 1A, would the creator be high 1A? since everything came from him
 
Answer me one thing, now that the great old ones are 1A, would the creator be high 1A? since everything came from him
No because he just scales to authorities/concepts. Plus there would be a pretty obvious anti-feat if he was High 1-A (being able to be reduced into 1-A things by splitting).
 
Madam Magician quickly glanced at Mr. Fool, and seeing no particular reaction from this great existence, she continued, 'Sefirot are collections of symbols, sources of authority, and origins of power.

'Back then, when the original Creator awakened, causing the destruction of the old era, He split into six sefirot, sixteen Uniquenesses, and all the Beyonder characteristics of sixteen paths of the divine.'
At this point, Mr. Fool lightly tapped the edge of the bronze long table and added, 'Normally, like Uniquenesses, sefirot cannot be divided, copied, or destroyed. Only one situation can cause them to be torn apart—encountering the original Creator.

'He is the 'Exception', the 'Inconceivable', the 'Incomprehensible', the 'Indescribable'. All things that shouldn't happen might happen when encountering Him—unknowable, undiscussable, unnameable.

'And it was this single instance of sefirot being torn apart that led the Great Old Dominators to discover that torn sefirot could self-complete.

'The sefirot of the Mother Goddess of Depravity that was torn into our planet self-completed into the Brood Hive. The Mother Tree of Desire lost titles such as 'Father of Devils' and 'Source of Curses', and they perfected themselves into the Tenebrous World.
Seems like this confirms the Sefirot is the source rather than the Astral World (which i think is just products of the Chaos Sea)

'The Celestial Master told me that their sect's ancestral court had once been breached and occupied by the Luo Sect, and many historical Celestial Masters had romantic entanglements with Luo Sect holy maidens and had children with them.'

'Luo Sect…' Both The Chariot Lumian and Madam Magician Fors were somewhat confused.

Mr. Fool smiled. 'The Luo Sect has a saying: 'Unborn Ancient Mother, True Void Homeland'.'

'Unborn Ancient Mother, True Void Homeland'… True Void Homeland… Paramita? Lumian suddenly understood. 'This is a sect that worships the Brood Hive? 'Unborn Ancient Mother' is a title for the Brood Hive?'
also lol LOTM big bad (kinda) turns out to be Wusheng Laomu again (same as SWTS)
 
Seems like this confirms the Sefirot is the source rather than the Astral World (which i think is just products of the Chaos Sea)
OC > Sefirots (Source of Authority) > Astral world (which holds authorities). However, they are all at the same ontological level.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that the Chaos Sea produced the Astral World.

I will probably wait until the end of COI before I add more to the pages, we still need more information.
He is the 'Exception', the 'Inconceivable', the 'Incomprehensible', the 'Indescribable'. All things that shouldn't happen might happen when encountering Him—unknowable, undiscussable, unnameable.
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I'm not sure where you got the idea that the Chaos Sea produced the Astral World
Don't remember the exact words or what chapter, it's when Klein speculate that the Spirit World is made from beyonder characteristics when it was explained that ghost draws their power from the Spirit World, so i'm assuming that Sefirah Castle > Spirit World with Astral World being the same except it's from the Chaos Sea, it's why a Lord of Mysteries is Lord of Spirit World and a God Almighty is Lord of Astral World

Something that cuttlefish haven't really explained in LOTM and COI is what Chaos Sea containing all "color" mean, but what i know from SWTS is that what he means by color here should be concept or symbolized a concept
After an unknown period of time, the multi-colored lights became bright again. They revolved around and formed a huge millstone or a crazy vortex, completely blocking all directions.

Streams of light continuously poured into the millstone, and the core of the Millstone was bottomless. It was dark and difficult to see, as if it was leading to a different path of reincarnation.

Seeing this scene, Liu Luo’s expression was slightly solemn. “Water element, fire element, light, burning, drowning, Void, life, death, filth, fate, Yin Virtue...”

The streams of light that were revolving corresponded to different illusory concepts, like broken authority, Split Great Dao, like the blue and black light that symbolized the water element, the pure white light that symbolized light, and the vibrant green of life, the silent darkness that symbolized death, the pale white flowing colors that symbolized yin virtue..
The construction tree held up the sky and penetrated into the chaos. It penetrated into places that were difficult to reach. Originally, it was difficult to see the branches, but at this moment, one could see that there was a hazy, clear light sprinkling down, a fruit that seemed to contain all colors, all rules, all principles, all possible dao patterns fell down. All the opposite concepts and descriptions were perfectly integrated from a higher level.
 
Don't remember the exact words or what chapter, it's when Klein speculate that the Spirit World is made from beyonder characteristics when it was explained that ghost draws their power from the Spirit World, so i'm assuming that Sefirah Castle > Spirit World with Astral World being the same except it's from the Chaos Sea, it's why a Lord of Mysteries is Lord of Spirit World and a God Almighty is Lord of Astral World

Something that cuttlefish haven't really explained in LOTM and COI is what Chaos Sea containing all "color" mean, but what i know from SWTS is that what he means by color here should be concept or symbolized a concept
I think color is suppose to be a buddhist term in context. Probably hard to notice or understand when translated to english.
 
Above the sequences new lore dump
Madam Magician glanced at the bronze long table in front of Mr. Fool, and seeing no objection from this great existence, she carefully said, "There are actually different levels for Above the Sequences.
"The Mother Tree of Desire, Monarch of Decay, and other Great Old Dominators are at the first level. Besides Them, there are some other Outer Deities in the depths of cosmos, but They are either weaker in strength or have no desire for the symbolic meanings of the sefirot within the barrier, so They aren't involved in this matter.
"The original Creator is at the third level, representing the ultimate, representing chaos, beginning and end, representing the unknowable and undiscussable. No existence can surpass this level, and this level can only have one being, and it's very unstable because both aggregation and division are His instincts.

"Between the first and third levels, there's another level-the second level.

"The great existences at the second level aren't much more powerful than the strongest first-level Great Old Ones like the Mother Tree of Desire, Child of Chaos, and Monarch of Decay, but They possess special symbolism. They are the foundation for the universe's maintenance and development, each supporting a realm, and are known as 'Pillars'."
Madam Magician Fors nodded. "From a realistic perspective, there are countless planets in the universe, each planet equivalent to a world, and simultaneously, there exist numerous alternate dimensions, too many to count.

"But in mysticism, there are only three layers of worlds: the physical world, the spirit world, and the astral world.

"Many schools of mysticism might have different interpretations of this, but the final division of worlds still comes down to just three layers.

"Returning to conventional concepts, the primordial God Almighty is the dominator of the astral world, Mr. Fool is the lord of the spirit world, and the Mother Goddess of Depravity is the sovereign of the physical world. Well, although She had part of Her sefirot torn away. She still possesses the symbolism and status of a Pillar.
"Each controls a realm, but not completely. Their authorities overlap with each other-that's what Pillars are.

"Complete Pillars are at the second level of Above the Sequences, with a status higher than other Great Old Ones and slightly stronger in power, but not fundamentally different. A complete Pillar can defeat a Great Old One but cannot truly kill Them, and at most can simultaneously fight against two Great Old Ones, probably..."
Mr. Fool, shrouded in grayish-white fog, neither confirmed nor denied her statement.
 
Mr. Fool, shrouded in grayish-white fog, explained in a calm tone. "This world was born from chaos. Besides the astral world's dominator, the spirit world's lord, and reality's sovereign, there is another important symbolism-one that represents the endpoint of destiny, the universe's destruction, and the finale of all things. Under such a symbolism, even the Celestial Worthy of Heaven and Earth for Blessings and the Mother Goddess of Depravity would completely perish. Their spirits no longer existing, everything returning to chaos. Of course, the hidden fourth Pillar would meet the same fate, not much later than us.

"Or rather, Its self-destruction brings about all termination."
Eh the universal end is basically the same as before, it was already said 4th pillar destroys the universe before but it's more explicit here with returning to chaos, everything born from and return to chaos singularity (Wuji), the OC and (and his characteristics true nature?) should probably have NEP type 2 all aspects

Though the OC looks like is not really transcendent (not the true end of cuttlefish powerlevel) given that the other Great Old Ones can still see and interact with him (his incomplete 6 sefirot version at least), and still the beginning and end of everything
 
The Oldest One is at least Yuan Shi before the ending tier (Nirvana tier the penultimate cultivation stage) from Sage Who Transcended Samsara, the original creator/singularity

There was no booming sounds across the air this time and his head didn't feel like it was going to explode. Instead, the scene in front of him instantly darkened. There were no colors, no sound, no directions, and no concept of time. It was only a point in space that allowed one to discern what was near or far. Everything congregated to this one indescribable point where nothing seemed logical.

Perhaps others in the same situation as Meng Qi would panic or lose their minds over what in the world was happening. However, Meng Qi trained the "Primordial Beginning Golden Chapter" and the "Arts of Eight-Nine" where the Indestructible Primordial Beginning Form were similar to it. He could confirm his previous lifetime experiences at an earlier stage and realize that he was now in a singularity in the whole universe. It was the genuine body of Yuan Shi!

Right at that moment, an indescribable beam of light shot out, causing the singularity to expand. An irony formed as the two opposites suddenly intertwined. The past and future was the present while directions did not exist.

At the same time, the beam of light slowly turned into a banner-like and axe-like structure that struck forward. The singularity exploded outwards, causing a gush of light to rush out and stain the sky. An unforeseen explosion that seemed to surpass anything in history occurred as direction formed, space existed, and ancient thoughts started to beat. However, everything was blurry and time seemed to exist occasionally. The past, present, and future split up to become a river of time where the river mouth was the very beginning of everything. Yet, the river seemed to flow without direction and heading for nowhere.

him splitting because he is a being of every contradicting concepts is similar to the Singularity/how an "Era/Epoch" ends in SWTS, when everything returns to Wuji/Singularity everything contradictory can superimpose and then Yuan Shi (and later the MC) split the nothingness creating a new "Era".
Is Yuan Shi (haven't read this by the way) also able to reach this stage if some of these concepts were erased from the universe? Or are these concepts no longer part of the contradicting concepts he embodies?
 
Is Yuan Shi (haven't read this by the way) also able to reach this stage if some of these concepts were erased from the universe? Or are these concepts no longer part of the contradicting concepts he embodies?
Yuan Shi predates concept of existence and is Wuji the Chaos before any distinction as in before any contradicting concept thats Taiji
 
So a yes? I'm guessing you mean he had taken in these concepts as they were introduced? I was trying to ask that after he splits, when a concept is erased does he have it again later on when this level is reached.

The OC was able to have concepts that were erased/annihilated from the Universe.

''Once Termination symbolism emerged, even if only briefly, it would be a terrifying event. At best, all life in this galaxy, including the Great Old Dominators, would be completely annihilated, unable to resurrect. At worst, the entire universe would reboot!''
The best outcome includes GOO's (aspects of the universe) being erased and them being unable to resurrect means that their concepts and symbolisms that they embody are also destroyed, but the Universe can continue existing.

Think of the Fourth Pillar as a vacuum cleaner that destroys anything it sucks in, the sucking power is the 'Singularity of All' and the destroying part is the 'Termination', the dust is the GOOs and the emerging of the Fourth Pillar is when you switch it on. It's suction power can affect the entirety of the room, and the dust is wanted in this case (more dust remaining= better outcome).
If you put this vacuum in the centre of a room (i.e the universe) filled with dust and switch it on, it would suck in and destroy the dust in the immediate range of it's nozzle (if you switch it off immediately, that is the best outcome Evernight mentioned, the immediate range being a galaxy), after all the dust is sucked in and destroyed (and the room aka the universe) someone enters and refills it with dust (and rebuilds the room? don't know how to explain the room part but I'm focused on the dust aka the GOO with this example, maybe should have used bricks and other objects).
No dust (the GOO and their Sefirots erased) so nothing to aggregate into the OC, but the OC just poofs into existence and reboots the Universe to how it was before, so he again splits after what he previously split into was annihilated, without converging.



So when the universe is rebooted by the OC. he is able to recreate the Universe how it was before the Termination Symbolism emerges, so splitting again into the previously annihilated concepts and such.
What I am trying to say is that if OC can exist without any of his previously split parts , there is something else to the OC's existence that is unrelated to anything in the Universe.
 
So a yes? I'm guessing you mean he had taken in these concepts as they were introduced? I was trying to ask that after he splits, when a concept is erased does he have it again later on when this level is reached.

The OC was able to have concepts that were erased/annihilated from the Universe.


The best outcome includes GOO's (aspects of the universe) being erased and them being unable to resurrect means that their concepts and symbolisms that they embody are also destroyed, but the Universe can continue existing.

Think of the Fourth Pillar as a vacuum cleaner that destroys anything it sucks in, the sucking power is the 'Singularity of All' and the destroying part is the 'Termination', the dust is the GOOs and the emerging of the Fourth Pillar is when you switch it on. It's suction power can affect the entirety of the room, and the dust is wanted in this case (more dust remaining= better outcome).
If you put this vacuum in the centre of a room (i.e the universe) filled with dust and switch it on, it would suck in and destroy the dust in the immediate range of it's nozzle (if you switch it off immediately, that is the best outcome Evernight mentioned, the immediate range being a galaxy), after all the dust is sucked in and destroyed (and the room aka the universe) someone enters and refills it with dust (and rebuilds the room? don't know how to explain the room part but I'm focused on the dust aka the GOO with this example, maybe should have used bricks and other objects).
No dust (the GOO and their Sefirots erased) so nothing to aggregate into the OC, but the OC just poofs into existence and reboots the Universe to how it was before, so he again splits after what he previously split into was annihilated, without converging.



So when the universe is rebooted by the OC. he is able to recreate the Universe how it was before the Termination Symbolism emerges, so splitting again into the previously annihilated concepts and such.
What I am trying to say is that if OC can exist without any of his previously split parts , there is something else to the OC's existence that is unrelated to anything in the Universe.
Non existence and the chaos that predates the oc are also a part of him, we know that cause cause it's a part of hermit's pathways number's authority
 
The main cultivation method in SWTS creates an Inner World, at Yuan Shi cultivation stage called Nirvana/Other Shore they have their own "Real World" in their body (their own real/material, astral, spirit world in LOTM term) and their soul being the Singularity, i think basically every Other Shore beings in SWTS should be more or less equivalent to the Original Creator in LOTM

Yuan Shi is the undiferentiated nothingness (Wuji) the "highest state" of the Singularity that "encompassed" all possibilities, while his soul/conciousness "existing" inside being the uncaused Cause, it knocks down the "state" of the Singularity into Taiji so there is now energy, form, substance, the convergence of every contradiction, Space-Time in one and the splitting open of the Singularity causing time to flow and the multiverse to exist

I think there's a difference between the complete 9/10 Sefirot OC true form, which should be equivalent Wuji (though he is more complete than Yuan Shi and more like Three Pure Ones united but isn't completely transcendent), while the 6 Sefirot OC, which is the one that splits, is the one equivalent to Taiji

Which is also why i think this is the reason we can't "reduce" Beyonder Characteristic because its true form is nothingness
诸天之上,时光长河的源头,是一个无法描述的“点”,它没有上下左右之分,亦无先后快慢之别。

Above the heavens, the source of the long river of time is an indescribable "point". It has no distinction between up and down, left and right, and no difference between before and after, fast and slow.

这里没有过去,现在和未来,是诸果之因,是一切的起始!

There is no past, present and future here. It is the cause of all results, the origin of all things!

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盘腿而坐的元神没有任何变化,或者说包容了所有变化。

The Primordial Spirit sitting cross-legged did not change at all, or it could be said that it accommodated all changes.

诸果之因,一切之始,是为元始。

The cause of all results, the beginning of everything, is Yuanshi.

突然,孟奇元神睁开了双眼。

Suddenly, Meng Qi's Primordial Spirit opened his eyes.

混沌破开,诸天呈现,宇宙衍化,天地乃成!

Chaos split open, heavens appeared, universe evolved, heaven and earth came into being!
 
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Non existence and the chaos that predates the oc are also a part of him, we know that cause cause it's a part of hermit's pathways number's authority
Among them, "0" represented chaos, the unknown, what existed before everything, while "1" represented the beginning, the Oldest One, the Creator who made this world
.They connected end-to-end, rapidly flowing through the transparent tunnel formed by the eye orbs, shifting from "0" to "1", then from "1" back to "0", from non-existence to existence, and then back again.
"The original Creator is at the third level, representing the ultimate,
representing chaos, beginning and end, representing the unknowable
and undiscussable.
Says he represented them, not that chaos existed before him.
And 0 representing chaos while also representing non-existence means the OC also represents non-existence.
But they didn't exist before him.
'He is the 'Exception', the 'Inconceivable', the 'Incomprehensible'
Klein's description was really accurate lol
 
The main cultivation method in SWTS creates an Inner World, at Yuan Shi cultivation stage called Nirvana/Other Shore they have their own "Real World" in their body (their own real/material, astral, spirit world in LOTM term) and their soul being the Singularity, i think basically every Other Shore beings in SWTS should be more or less equivalent to the Original Creator in LOTM

Yuan Shi is the undiferentiated nothingness (Wuji) the "highest state" of the Singularity that "encompassed" all possibilities, while his soul/conciousness "existing" inside being the uncaused Cause, it knocks down the "state" of the Singularity into Taiji so there is now energy, form, substance, the convergence of every contradiction, Space-Time in one and the splitting open of the Singularity causing time to flow and the multiverse to exist

I think there's a difference between the complete 9/10 Sefirot OC true form, which should be equivalent Wuji (though he is more complete than Yuan Shi and more like Three Pure Ones united but isn't completely transcendent), while the 6 Sefirot OC, which is the one that splits, is the one equivalent to Taiji

Which is also why i think this is the reason we can't "reduce" Beyonder Characteristic because its true form is nothingness
So Wuji is the OC at his peak and the uncaused Cause is the OC's instincts of aggregation and division?
In SWTS how does one reach the level of Yuan Shi?
And was the ''Real World'' of someone at this level described similarly to the Universe of LOTM?
 
So Wuji is the OC at his peak and the uncaused Cause is the OC's instincts of aggregation and division?
I don't know, there's no similar things like OC's instincts but the end of time being when it all returns to Singularity is the same though
In SWTS how does one reach the level of Yuan Shi?
Its by forming something called an illusory Dao Fruit, which is an aspect of the true "Dao" (tier 0?), like MC is the Dao Fruit of Wuji and Heaven Opening, it will carry their consciousness, soul, body out of reality ascending into the Other Shore, transforming their prototype multiverse into a complete multiverse with a Real World

Countless figures flew out, from the past to the future. They burrowed into Meng Qi's body, layer upon layer, before finally condensing into one. Together with two illusory dao fruits, they took shape, carrying the spiritual light of Meng Qi's nature out of the river of time!

Everything was pitch black. There was nothing around. Even the flow of time up, down, left, right, front, back, and back no longer existed. Meng Qi's final consciousness and spiritual light of his nature seemed to be completely assimilated into this absolute nothingness.

If he could not break this deathly "Nothingness,"then he would not be able to break free from the sea of bitterness, and he would not be able to ascend to the other shore!

This was the final tribulation, the "Eternal Nothingness"!

For other great divine arts practitioners who were trying to attain the DAO, it was a rather severe test. However, to Meng Qi, there was no heavenly tribulation that was more suitable for him than this!

The final bit of consciousness and innate spiritual light was mixed into the blade ray. A blazing white light illuminated the entire pitch black, splitting apart the absolute "Nothingness."It expanded everything that had condensed into a single point within it, stirring up an explosion that was sufficient to destroy everything.., an explosion that could create everything.

to be Yuan Shi level of Other Shore tough they have to make their Dao Fruits turns into prototype/embryonic form of complete Dao Fruit
It turned out that this was the secret of the other shore. After crossing the sea of bitterness, half of the dao fruit that was produced was the condensation of the dao that belonged to oneself. It was a true and indescribable aspect of the ‘Dao’, and it was biased, it was just a part of the harvest of the blind touching the elephant. After that, they had to see through the heaven and earth, measure the nine Serenities and immortal world, grasp the past and the future, and understand all the mysteries of the heavens and myriad worlds and all aspects of the ‘Dao’, only then would there be the embryonic form of the dao fruit.

To use the simplest and insufficiently accurate description, it was the process of going from a few Great Dao to three thousand Great Dao in order to seek the true ‘Dao’.
The construction tree held up the sky and penetrated into the chaos. It penetrated into places that were difficult to reach. Originally, it was difficult to see the branches, but at this moment, one could see that there was a hazy, clear light sprinkling down, a fruit that seemed to contain all colors, all rules, all principles, all possible dao patterns fell down. All the opposite concepts and descriptions were perfectly integrated from a higher level.

And the palm that held this fruit was glowing with a faint golden luster. Following the trail, Meng Qi saw a six-foot-tall, sallow, emaciated, and compassionate monk.

Buddha!

Once they reached this level they can open the Singularity and starts getting rid of their Karma to completely transcend (which is why Tier 0 is possibly since technically multiple people can transcend)
The Big Green Root shook its branches and leaves as it seriously nodded. “Who among those that managed to survive from the past era could be easily trifled with? Furthermore, Immortal Luya is the son of the Supreme Deity of pre-ancient times. His mortal soul was born out of the true fire. He knows many secrets and hidden techniques. He’s a formidable character, second only to the several Masters of the Palm Sect. Besides, so many years have passed. We don’t know what realm has he achieved now. Perhaps he’s close to the ‘Unknowable and Undiscussable’ threshold of the Full Enlightenment? This lowly one is really afraid; I dare not go against such a big shot like him. That’s why I had concealed it for so long.”
The Big Green Root entered a state that was apparently considered “solemn” as it said, “I’m not too sure myself. I would sometimes hear the immortals bringing it up. It’s apparently the realm that the Taoist Primogenitor and Buddha are in—the realm where one’s truly removed from mortal affairs. It’s a realm that can’t be guessed, described, or discussed. You will be wrong even just talking about it; you will be confused even by thinking about it. You can speculate about the Big Bang Technique, imagine the destruction of layers of the universe, turn back the time, reverse cause and karma, think in vain, but not do anything against them. Thus, no matter how much effort you put into it, you won’t be able to comprehend or injure them. Neither will you be able to see their true appearances…”

“Either way, based on this lowly one’s understanding, they’re omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. They can make whatever contradictions feasible…”

And was the ''Real World'' of someone at this level described similarly to the Universe of LOTM?
The creation is similar not its "form" though (especially Spirit World), the Nine Heaven and Nine Nether is separated (or not separated depending on the creator) from the Real/material World and located at infinite height, the Nine Heavens is the source of (most) Law and Principles for the multiverse, Nine Nether is where the Underworld is.

Though there was basically a prototype LOTM (a cthulhu universe) in one of the universe in the multiverse
Compared to the World Fantasy Records, these books were far more detailed. For the former, only the logo of the congregation who worshipped the seven Demon Gods was mentioned to warn the public. The latter, on the other hand, stated the unique signs when the power of the Seven Great Demon Gods manifested. One was advised to keep a distance and make immediate reports once he or she encountered the mentioned signs. They were encouraged to disregard the safety of the nearby human beings as there was certainly or chance for them to survive.

“The Core of Chaos: those who had personally witnessed the unique signs during the manifestation of his power had either lost their lives or gone insane. No one had ever been spared, including a number of Zhen Gods as well as worshippers. Therefore, his real identity had never been revealed…” the first description sent a chill down Gu Liang’s spine, creating an indescribable feeling of a world of despair and oppression.

“Door of All Doors, the Evil Wise Man, the Warden of Maze of Time and Space: according to the limited information, it was formed by an innumerable amount of light balls that represented the doors and had an uncertain shape. Those who had come in contact with it would eventually fall… Mother God of Darkness: the lucky ancient gods who survived after their encounter with the Mother God of Darkness described her as a gigantic and black lump of flesh that was squashed together by genetalias. It was constantly wiggling and transforming and did not have a definite shape… Great Demon of Fear: those who witnessed him had all gone into madness. As decreed by the Zhen God, he commonly disguises himself as an alluring young lady or a handsome young man. However, once he removes his human skin, he would turn into a swollen monster with many tentacles. He feasts on extreme emotions, hearts, and brains…”

“Universal Being: all of them who came into contact with him had lost their lives! His worshippers were happy to described him as an amorphous mist… Faceless Pharoah: he wore an elegant robe and was filled with arrogance. His face was completely rotten and his features were indistinguishable. Covering his white bones were strips of putrefying flesh. He preferred to roam the earth as an incarnation. Usually, his incarnation was a thin and tall man with a tanned complexion. The man was commonly seen wearing a gleeful smile. His interest was to lure the human to darkness and execute frauds as pastime. Yet, he hardly killed… Fallen God: he used to be the greatest God. He had fallen due to the loss of 300 years of history at the Far East Region. Consequently, he was turned mad by his thirst for blood and appeared as a naked man who was crucified upside down on a bloody cross.”

This was when Gu Liang finally experienced the world of supernatural out of the normal human world. He absorbed the facts as though he was craving for knowledge. Yet, the more he read, the more perturbed he felt.
The Old Universe was different from the typical universe. In the Old Universe, its nature was similar to the Real World. It was like a world within the thirty six ancient wells outside of the Jade Palace. The capability of the six great Devil Gods was almost on par with the Creator Brahma and was only slightly less than the Legendary level. Furthermore, the Core of Chaos, Universal Being, and Mother God of Darkness were even equipped with features from the Nirvana Realm. They were undeniably strong opponents. More importantly, they seemed to be the negative projections of some Nirvana Realm Individuals and Great Mediums who were brimming with chaos, bloodlust, and insanity, transforming the universe into a complete world of despair and oppression. Once any outsider was involved, problems were bound to arise.

Moreover, the Core of Chaos was highly likely to be the Heavenly Lord Yuanshi’s Evil Reflected Self. Although the Lord had never been sensible, the Lord had an instinctive desire for the Principles of Karma. If he engaged in the investigation personally, he would very likely be coveted by Heavenly Lord Yuanshi. That would consequently put him at risk.
 
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The Shadow World is an alternate dimension intersecting with the Mirror World
New stuff
Sequence 0: Hanged Man
Main Ingredients:

Uniqueness of the Hanged Man ×1

Other Dark Angel Beyonder characteristics

Supplementary Ingredients:

Shadow World
 
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Is there any way to bring the ''possible worlds'' mentioned for H1A+ characters for LOTM?
I first thought about fate with the Symbol of Possibility that KOL had from an answered question for cuttlefish.
Next I thought about the Chaos Sea & Visionary.
With the ''all possibilities'' description of the Chaos Sea relating to the Visionary pathway since only that pathway out of the 5 seem related to possibilities, and then the Author ( upgraded to Prophecy) of the Visionary pathway. Seems a bit of a reach though..
 
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