Limit on personas

[Notsussybaka900]

We have WWE, Gorillaz and Hatsune Mike (as far as I’m aware: please correct me if we don’t), so what’s the limit to stage personas? Would, say, someone like Scatman John qualify if I could find feats for him? Because it’s somewhat a stage persona and has fictional stuff attached to it, but is still meant to be a representation for a real person and used to promote the real person’s music.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Kinda want to ask about where in-game avatars also fit in all this
Need staff input though

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

GTA Online Protagonist

The GTA Online Protagonist is a professional criminal who roams about San Andreas completing various missions for crime lords, thieves and gangsters. Tier: 9-B, higher with melee weapons, firearms, heavy weapons, explosive weapons and the Up-N-Atomizer, 9-B to 8-C with vehicles, 9-B to 8-C with...

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The Player (Garry's Mod)

The Player is the main character of Garry's Mod's default gamemode, Sandbox. They don't have any predefined goals, they just have the tools and are left to play. Tier: At least 9-B physically and with weaponry. 9-A with certain weapons. High 8-C with creation | At least 8-B physically and with...

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I want to ask whether these profiles are valid/non-rule-breaking, given that they're essentially profiles regarding player characters, which are essentially the in-game avatars of real life people, as well as what wiki they should be under if they are indeed valid profiles.
(For the record, Krukov created the GTA Protagonist page and several staff were involved in editing it, whereas the GMod Player page was made by a person under the username Diamond Drone.)

I particularly wish to clarify whether they are within the bounds of these parts of the rules:

Editing Rules

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[Agnaa]

GTA Online Protagonist

The GTA Online Protagonist is a professional criminal who roams about San Andreas completing various missions for crime lords, thieves and gangsters. Tier: 9-B, higher with melee weapons, firearms, heavy weapons, explosive weapons and the Up-N-Atomizer, 9-B to 8-C with vehicles, 9-B to 8-C with...

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The Player (Garry's Mod)

The Player is the main character of Garry's Mod's default gamemode, Sandbox. They don't have any predefined goals, they just have the tools and are left to play. Tier: At least 9-B physically and with weaponry. 9-A with certain weapons. High 8-C with creation | At least 8-B physically and with...

fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com

I want to ask whether these profiles are valid/non-rule-breaking, given that they're essentially profiles regarding player characters, which are essentially the in-game avatars of real life people, as well as what wiki they should be under if they are indeed valid profiles.
(For the record, Krukov created the GTA Protagonist page and several staff were involved in editing it, whereas the GMod Player page was made by a person under the username Diamond Drone.)

I particularly wish to clarify whether they are within the bounds of these parts of the rules:

Editing Rules

The VS Battles Wiki presently consists of 38,036 pages, most of them listing the statistics of characters across different fictional franchises. However, there is a tremendous amount of work involved in maintaining the accuracy of statistics and upholding a high quality for the profiles. In...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Editing Rules

The VS Battles Wiki presently consists of 38,036 pages, most of them listing the statistics of characters across different fictional franchises. However, there is a tremendous amount of work involved in maintaining the accuracy of statistics and upholding a high quality for the profiles. In...

vsbattles.fandom.com

The jump you're making from these generic video game protagonists to stage personas is almost incomprehensible to me.

I don't see any good reason why they would be treated differently than any other video game protagonist, like Mario.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

The jump you're making from these generic video game protagonists to stage personas is almost incomprehensible to me.

I don't see any good reason why they would be treated differently than any other video game protagonist, like Mario.

The main reason is because these protagonists specifically are in-game avatars of real life people (in the sense that they are meant specifically to embody the real life player or at least represent them in-game hence why they are customisable and stuff, especially because these characters are in the context of multiplayer sandbox/open world games) as compared to canon fictional characters like Mario and whatnot
Also because I'm not sure where else this sort of issue would fall under

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

The jump you're making from these generic video game protagonists to stage personas is almost incomprehensible to me.

I don't see any good reason why they would be treated differently than any other video game protagonist, like Mario.

Editing Rules

The VS Battles Wiki presently consists of 38,036 pages, most of them listing the statistics of characters across different fictional franchises. However, there is a tremendous amount of work involved in maintaining the accuracy of statistics and upholding a high quality for the profiles. In...

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At the very least, the setting should be entirely fictional in nature, with no true bearing over the real world.

To explain further, I had conversed with Kirkburn (https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kirkburn) about a wiki of a game where the wiki bureaucrats/admins were making articles with derogatory language regarding specific in-game avatars of specific players aka real life people, which led to the shutting down of that wiki due to a clause about not making articles about "notable individuals", so I was wondering if the pages we are discussing are liable to be also treated as such despite not making any references to specific players due to the protagonists in these games essentially representing anyone who plays the games in general. (I'm hoping it is not the case but I want to clarify, particularly with Ant since Ant and the Fandom staff have corresponded before and they are aware of rules around Fandom wiki articles in general and Ant was involved in the GTA protagonist page)

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Pretty sure those rules are to prevent members from making profiles about real named people, people that might see our profiles and have problems with it. These "player" profiles don't represent a specific individual in the real world, they're just character that inhabit the fictional world that happens to represent our influence from the real world.

 

[Agnaa]

The main reason is because these protagonists specifically are in-game avatars of real life people (in the sense that they are meant specifically to embody the real life player or at least represent them in-game hence why they are customisable and stuff, especially because these characters are in the context of multiplayer sandbox/open world games) as compared to canon fictional characters like Mario and whatnot
Also because I'm not sure where else this sort of issue would fall under

You can customise Mario in Odyssey.

I'd think it would be extremely dumb and pointless to disallow profiles for all characters that can be sufficiently customised. Despite customisation options, they're still entirely fictional. The customisation options are added and bounded by developers.

Editing Rules

The VS Battles Wiki presently consists of 38,036 pages, most of them listing the statistics of characters across different fictional franchises. However, there is a tremendous amount of work involved in maintaining the accuracy of statistics and upholding a high quality for the profiles. In...

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To explain further, I had conversed with Kirkburn (https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kirkburn) about a wiki of a game where the wiki bureaucrats/admins were making articles with derogatory language regarding specific in-game avatars of specific players aka real life people, which led to the shutting down of that wiki due to a clause about not making articles about "notable individuals", so I was wondering if the pages we are discussing are liable to be also treated as such despite not making any references to specific players due to the protagonists in these games essentially representing anyone who plays the games in general. (I'm hoping it is not the case but I want to clarify, particularly with Ant since Ant and the Fandom staff have corresponded before and they are aware of rules around Fandom wiki articles in general and Ant was involved in the GTA protagonist page)

I don't fully understand what you're saying here. But if I understand it right, there is absolutely no link between "people on a completely different wiki insulting other people's usernames or art" and "creating a profile for a generic video game protagonist, using a default model and capabilities performable by all of them".

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

You can customise Mario in Odyssey.

I'd think it would be extremely dumb and pointless to disallow profiles for all characters that can be sufficiently customised. Despite customisation options, they're still entirely fictional. The customisation options are added and bounded by developers.

I don't fully understand what you're saying here. But if I understand it right, there is absolutely no link between "people on a completely different wiki insulting other people's usernames or art" and "creating a profile for a generic video game protagonist, using a default model and capabilities performable by all of them".

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^ Just pointing out what I'm referring to in the context of this discussion.
That being said, I do understand that regarding the GMod article and GTA article no specific player is being referred to, I am just concerned as to whether it could be made clearer that the articles are regarding generic player characters rather than specific players.

 

[Agnaa]

It's already obviously not about any specific player.

Name: Varies (Player Choice)

Origin: Grand Theft Auto

Gender: Male/Female (Player choice)

Age: Varies (Player choice)

If Fandom declares that there's still an issue with it, we can act then. Right now I don't expect that, so there's no reason to do anything more.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

It's already obviously not about any specific player.

If Fandom declares that there's still an issue with it, we can act then. Right now I don't expect that, so there's no reason to do anything more.

OK, thanks for helping me clarify, it is greatly appreciated.

 

[Pepsimanslover]

There's also the fact that these characters usually are canon and have their story and Lore.

It doesn't make sense to discard them entirely.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

There's also the fact that these characters usually are canon and have their story and Lore.

It doesn't make sense to discard them entirely.

I get that but then again said story and lore are also partially intertwined with the actions of the player characters which are performed by the real life player peeps themselves so it does sorta blur the line between fiction and reality there, but again since we're referring to generic player characters it should not be too much of an issue.

 

[Pepsimanslover]

I get that but then again said story and lore are also partially intertwined with the actions of the player characters which are performed by the real life player peeps themselves so it does sorta blur the line between fiction and reality there, but again since we're referring to generic player characters it should not be too much of an issue.

You can say the same about any Tel game.

Arthur Morgan's fate can altered by the player's choices but that doesn't suddenly mean that Arthur Morgan is now a representative of a real life person.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

You can say the same about any Tel game.

Arthur Morgan's fate can altered by the player's choices but that doesn't suddenly mean that Arthur Morgan is now a representative of a real life person.

You mean any RPG in general?
Yeah I guess you could say that but I'm talking more about the sandbox/open-world RPG games where the player is able to customise practically everything about the character including their name, so that's the context I was considering most particularly.