Lies of P Scaling & Profile Creation Thread (Spoilers)

[Lukewoesal007]

Good stuff. I'll start editing the profile again tomorrow (or later today if you're in EST like me).

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

@Lukewoesal007 Finished an speed calc for end-game Pinocchio. I'm not sure how to feel about the end bit, but I think "High Hypersonic+, possibly Sub-Relativistic" may be good.

Also I feel like there is an AP calc I could do with Laxasia's speed, but that's either calc stacking or not consistent with the feats visual AP, so I'll sit on that for now.

I think you should probably ask another calc member to choose a proper end.

 

[Chritin]

Good stuff. I'll start editing the profile again tomorrow (or later today if you're in EST like me).

Sounds good. I got it checked again my Armor. He said it’s be best to just use Laxasia’s speed and forgo Pinocchio’s parry (or at least the second parry calc), so we can probably list his speed as either “High Hypersonic+, likely Sub-Relativistic” or just say he’s Sub-Repativistic since he can contend with Laxasia

 

[Lukewoesal007]

What are some good general intelligence feats for P? I intuit him as being Above Average, though I can't quite remember most of his showings.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

What are some good general intelligence feats for P? I intuit him as being Above Average, though I can't quite remember most of his showings.

Well he's able handle an assortment of all kinds of different shapes and sizes on his first go around without issue. Seems consistent with Souls-like protagonists.

 

[Chritin]

What are What are some good general intelligence feats for P? I intuit him as being Above Average, though I can't quite remember most of his showings.

Pinocchio should be relative to Carlo who trained with the legendary stalker, arguably the most powerful and skilled human warrior in lore. As well, he should be similar to most other soulslike protagonists who can possibly steamroll their own games.

I’m terms of outside intelligence, he can tinker with his legion arm and p-organ, possibly some of the most advanced pieces of tech in the verse. Also he’s really good at piano lol

 

[Lukewoesal007]

I already have a decent list of combat feats for P, though him scaling to the Legendary Stalker skill-wise is a nice catch. He likely shares Carlo's intellectual capacity, despite lacking the latter's memories, and I think it could argued he scales otherwise, considering he can defeat Stalkers who survived the Puppet Frenzy, who are likely vastly superior to the average Stalker.

I genuinely could only remember P playing the piano, but I looked back at a walkthrough, and P is definitely the one modifying his P-Organ and Legion Arm, which I think would actually warrant Gifted general intelligence, too.

 

[Deceived3596]

I genuinely could only remember P playing the piano, but I looked back at a walkthrough, and P is definitely the one modifying his P-Organ and Legion Arm, which I think would actually warrant Gifted general intelligence, too.

Adding onto this, if I recall correctly, P is also able to disassemble his weapons and reassemble them without issue, even weapons which are highly mechanical in nature. He can even reassemble them as entirely different weapons if he so desires, constructing weaponry with several different types of handles and blades compared to what they previously had, including weaponry which would be completely unusable and impractical in real life, but because of his ingenuity as a mechanic and his ability as a swordsman, he's able to make it work both structurally and combatively.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

His ability to use basically any blade-handle combination was on my list for combat intelligence, but him being able to create them in the first place is a pretty good feat for his general intelligence.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Considering all the above, I feel "Gifted" is a pretty suitable rating for him.

 

[Chritin]

Adding onto this, if I recall correctly, P is also able to disassemble his weapons and reassemble them without issue, even weapons which are highly mechanical in nature. He can even reassemble them as entirely different weapons if he so desires, constructing weaponry with several different types of handles and blades compared to what they previously had, including weaponry which would be completely unusable and impractical in real life, but because of his ingenuity as a mechanic and his ability as a swordsman, he's able to make it work both structurally and combatively.

Isn’t this only Eugenie? I mean I usually only ever change my weapons with Eugenie so I genuinely forget.

Considering all the above, I feel "Gifted" is a pretty suitable rating for him.

I feel more inclined to give him Genius for combat intelligence, considering the fact he has pretty similar feats to someone like Sekiro relative to his own verse.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Isn’t this only Eugenie? I mean I usually only ever change my weapons with Eugenie so I genuinely forget.

Eugenie is the only one who can upgrade weapons with the Moonstones and whatnot, but P can assemble and disassemble weapons from any Stargazer.

I feel more inclined to give him Genius for combat intelligence, considering the fact he has pretty similar feats to someone like Sekiro relative to his own verse.

I guess if Sekiro characters can get Genius for much less (at least from a glance at the profiles), then it might be fine, but I personally don't see Genius intelligence for P.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I guess if Sekiro characters can get Genius for much less (at least from a glance at the profiles), then it might be fine, but I personally don't see Genius intelligence for P.

I mean the Sekiro profiles do forget to mention that Wolf can just learn and master a technique instantly after looking at it on a wall, that technique being the Lightning Reversal

 

[Chritin]

I mean the Sekiro profiles do forget to mention that Wolf can just learn and master a technique instantly after looking at it on a wall, that technique being the Lightning Reversal

True. Sekiro characters are far smarter combat wise than we kinda give them credit for (ESPECIALLY Wolf), but I feel like Pinocchio still is pretty similar combat wise.

 

[Arkenis]

bump.

Whats going on with the pages?

 

[Lukewoesal007]

P's profile is about 75% completed. I am still waiting on Lifting Strength calculations (and maybe another Speed calc, iirc?), though I do need to get off my ass and finish what I can. I will be quite busy until mid-late December, unfortunately, so if someone would be willing to help with the busy work of acquiring scans, that would be much appreciated. I do plan on writing a verse explanation blog, at some point after I finish the profile, and I'll be happy to work on any other minor character pages as needed.

 

[Chritin]

bump.

Whats going on with the pages?

I was working on a verse page, but it kinda wasn’t going great since I need to change a lot of the images (it’s my second time doing a verse page, and I already screwed it up the first time lol)

 

[Smashkabab]

P can rather easily defeat the Puppet of the Future, which should be enough to scale to Low 8-C by merit of sheer size. Furthermore, Laxasia has a storm creation feat that would probably scale higher than most other feats in the game. We know that it was specifically Laxasia creating this Storm rather than a natural occurrence or something brought up by some manner of machine because the storm fades immediately once Laxasia is killed.

I would also like to remind everyone that P has Type 4 immortality through Time Manipulation (the pocket watch description explicitly states that the Stargazer is able to resurrect P by using Ergo to rewind time to a point where P was in peak physical condition. This is further supported by Ergo being explained to be crystallized life energy, memories, and time.

On that note, P can use this ability at will via the pocket watch. This ability should be magnified significantly in power and utility for P after he absorbs Sophia. With Sophia’s Ergo, P could likely use this ability even without the use of the pocket watch.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

P can rather easily defeat the Puppet of the Future, which should be enough to scale to Low 8-C by merit of sheer size. Furthermore, Laxasia has a storm creation feat that would probably scale higher than most other feats in the game. We know that it was specifically Laxasia creating this Storm rather than a natural occurrence or something brought up by some manner of machine because the storm fades immediately once Laxasia is killed.

I would also like to remind everyone that P has Type 4 immortality through Time Manipulation (the pocket watch description explicitly states that the Stargazer is able to resurrect P by using Ergo to rewind time to a point where P was in peak physical condition. This is further supported by Ergo being explained to be crystallized life energy, memories, and time.

On that note, P can use this ability at will via the pocket watch. This ability should be magnified significantly in power and utility for P after he absorbs Sophia. With Sophia’s Ergo, P could likely use this ability even without the use of the pocket watch.

Literally all of this, except for his abilities becoming empowered after absorbing Sophia, is already on my profile.

 

[Chritin]

P can rather easily defeat the Puppet of the Future, which should be enough to scale to Low 8-C by merit of sheer size. Furthermore, Laxasia has a storm creation feat that would probably scale higher than most other feats in the game. We know that it was specifically Laxasia creating this Storm rather than a natural occurrence or something brought up by some manner of machine because the storm fades immediately once Laxasia is killed.

I would also like to remind everyone that P has Type 4 immortality through Time Manipulation (the pocket watch description explicitly states that the Stargazer is able to resurrect P by using Ergo to rewind time to a point where P was in peak physical condition. This is further supported by Ergo being explained to be crystallized life energy, memories, and time.

On that note, P can use this ability at will via the pocket watch. This ability should be magnified significantly in power and utility for P after he absorbs Sophia. With Sophia’s Ergo, P could likely use this ability even without the use of the pocket watch.

1. P-Fighting the puppet of the future is around 9-A ish? Still not far off from like a low end 8-C, but since he doesn't frag it or anything then we can't get any higher values off of it. Not like it really matters, since P arguably gets to be like 8-B early/mid game.

2. The Laxasia feat is probably worth something, but it's hard to say whether or not it's more impressive than the earthquake feat from the Ergo machine. I actually wanted to try and calc it, but getting the size of Alchemist island is virtually impossible without a map measuring tool.