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League Of Legends Tier 1 Upgrade!

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Here comes Kayn's protector,Shiedaisthepeak!!!

I guess it will be a new trial, so let's get started right away.

Celestial Realm:
Humans cannot comprehend the time mechanics of the 'Celestial Realm,' which operates on a higher level than the existing time in Runeterra. For the Celestial Realm, it is 'timeless,' beyond the imagination of mortals. This means that the time operating in the Celestial Realm is beyond normal time, and it points out that mortals (humans) are creations too limited to understand this,That's why it is called 'timeless' for the Celestial Realm.' Already, the fact that it operates beyond human imagination implies a higher level of time.
So, the interpretation here will be that the Celestial Realm operates in a transcendent dimension of time, rather than being timeless because; humans, limited by their own thoughts and capacities, cannot comprehend the concept of time in the Celestial Realm and thus can only describe it as 'timeless.

I need to state that linear time/time does exist in the Celestial Realm, and if these aspects are present, it will prove what I’ve said.

Feats:

Following this unusual transcendence, Zoe journeyed to dimensions at the very edge of Targon’s control, playing within realities beyond human comprehension. Returning home after millennia, Zoe has aged barely a year. Though Runeterra has changed little from her perspective, she arrives full of teenage curiosity for humans and her fellow Aspects.

So, from this, we can be certain that time progresses in a more transcendent way. Now, let's move on to the others;

"Taric was horrified in the face of infinite fate and reality'' this is only a fraction of the realities observed by the Celestial Realm, but since the Celestial Realm contains and can display them, it must at least be a 2A structure.

They witnessed the moment of creation of the universe where all of time converged, the moment where the Crisis Time exists.

The Celestial Realm and its beings (the Celestials) cannot interact with Runeterra and the universe because they exist in a higher dimension. Therefore, they are content with only observing. In order to interact with others, they have created physical manifestations of themselves.

Conclusion for Celestial Realm:
If we calculate a temporal dimension that encompasses infinite realities and operates in a higher dimension, it would be at least infinite 5D (Low 1-C), but even if we reject the transcendence of time, it is still necessary to take at least 2A from the infinite realities.

Dark Stars:
They have the capacity to destroy all of existence: 'No one devours all of existence on my watch!' This should not be interpreted as a singularity because it also includes Ezreal, who is from another reality, and thus they are powerful enough to destroy all of existence. This also includes the Celestial Realm, which is why it can easily scale to the Low 1-C tier.

Rhaast states that he can destroy all of reality.

Thresh states that he can consume all of space-time-reality.


All of these statements suggest multiplicity rather than singularity, and considering that the true purpose of the Dark Stars is the multiverses, and assuming that the Celestial Realm is included within them, I believe all the Dark Stars should be classified as L1C or 2A tier.

AGREE: @Protector_Hunk @Baabasaplar95 @GrayCraft_Dragon @Gorkyss @Ar1216789 @Voidnether (agree with 2A) @OrangeFR (Agree with 2A) @TyraexgSama @henryzx900ruly @Apollonir.Scale @LordVader28 @Sebas-S.P-san (Agree With 2A)
DISAGREE:
NEUTRAL: @Sebas-S.P-san (neutral for Low 1-C)
 
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Agree
and

Aurelion Sol should be 2-A too. A.Sol is an entity that frightens and threatens the Celestials, who watch the destruction of infinite universes for entertainment purposes. His true non-dragon form is also a Celestial. The "True Form" section in the hax section should also be changed to Celestial Form.

It would be logical to divide the A.Sol profile into 2 Keys.
Dragon Form: 3-C, likely 3-B
Celestial Form: 2-A

Zoe must also have 2-A. Zoe is not like other Aspects, She is completely united with a Celestial and has become Whole.
 
ShionAH said:
Would Bard scale
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He is also a Celestial, but we don't have enough information. I think he is likely 2-A
because
Bard travels through realms beyond the imagination of mortal beings. Some of Valoran's greatest scholars have spent their lives trying to understand the mysteries he embodies. This enigmatic spirit has been given many names throughout the history of Valoran, but titles such as Cosmic Vagabond and Great Caretaker only capture a fleeting aspect of his true purpose. When the unknowable structure of the universe is threatened, Bard steers all existence away from utter annihilation.

Bard works across multiple dimensions

Bard is multi-dimensional

Bard traverses all planes that can intersect with Runeterra, so he is certainly linked to that degree, but he's not restricted only to Soraka's plane of origin. Runeterran magic has many different aspects, origins, and foci. Bard exists and journeys across many realms and planes.

Bard moves between dimensions like you or I move between rooms of our house, there are few places that Bard hasn't visited.

The green ball that sits in Bard's horn is a harmonic key that splits layers of reality and taps directly into the magical friction that all worlds emit.
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I'm unsure.

I don't think this is really enough for a dimensional jump, the time transcendence is eh, it's really the closest thing in your scale to be 5-D. Time just seems to pass differently and is unfathomable to the mind of humans, not really beyond it.
 
Ar1216789 said:
I don't think this is really enough for a dimensional jump, the time transcendence is eh, it's really the closest thing in your scale to be 5-D. Time just seems to pass differently and is unfathomable to the mind of humans, not really beyond it.
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Let me explain; you might think that the concept of time is not a clear transcendence for the human mind, but I suggest looking at the full context:

They witnessed the moment of creation of the universe where all of time converged, the moment where the Crisis Time exists.

This refers to something that unites all of time, encompassing all the realities Taric has seen 'encompassing all of time.' Despite this, the concept of time in the Celestial Realm is something more transcendent, beyond what the human Taric can comprehend from everything he has witnessed.

Furthermore, the Imgur links I shared already mention a more transcendent time. Thank you for reading!
 
I disagree with everything presented, there's simply no explanations whatsoever if they refer to different space-time continuums and that there are an infinite amount of them. Though, what was said after like "infinite universes" (outside of the OP) maybe could be explained more since it's the basis for 2-A. Not only that, Low 1-C is too vague as a 5 dimensional being is able to destroy the smallest 5 dimensional object and it would result in 2-A structures being destroyed as it's only infinite 4 dimensional in nature. But according to what I've read, destroying all of existence seems like an impressive feat. So yeah, it won't and it would only get 2-A (assuming it's different space-time continuums that refer to an infinite amount of them, else it's Low 2-C).
 
Voidnether said:
I disagree with everything presented, there's simply no explanations whatsoever if they refer to different space-time continuums and that there are an infinite amount of them. Though, what was said after like "infinite universes" (outside of the OP) maybe could be explained more since it's the basis for 2-A. Not only that, Low 1-C is too vague as a 5 dimensional being is able to destroy the smallest 5 dimensional object and it would result in 2-A structures being destroyed as it's only infinite 4 dimensional in nature. But according to what I've read, destroying all of existence seems like an impressive feat. So yeah, it won't and it would only get 2-A (assuming it's different space-time continuums that refer to an infinite amount of them, else it's Low 2-C).
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Dark Stars are already multi-dimensional entities, so I don't think this would be an outlier. However, they should be capable of destroying everything within cosmology — meaning they should at least be classified as Low 1-C. But if you’d like, I can frame it in a way that aligns with accepting them as 2-A.

And to avoid any misunderstandings, I should also clarify that while the cosmology might be 2-A, the Celestial Realm 'An age ago, when time itself was young, the inhabitants of the celestial realm regarded the fledgling races of Runeterra with growing concern. These creatures deviated wildly, unpredictably, and dangerously from the great designs intended for them by those above. The guidance and fates that had been woven into the night sky often went unseen—or worse, were misinterpreted by their simple mortal minds, leading to chaos, uncertainty, and suffering.' operates on a more transcendent temporal plane that perceives the universe as finite. For now, I wouldn’t call it an infinite 5D structure, but I can at least describe it as a standard 5D construct.

Thank you for reading and sharing your thoughts!
 
It would be cool if you could go into more detail about Low 1-C, I can’t see imgur links rn so that might hamper it a bit but I can check later.
 
There are some areas where I am suspicious.
Shiedaisthepeak said:
"Taric was horrified in the face of infinite fate and reality'' this is only a fraction of the realities observed by the Celestial Realm, but since the Celestial Realm contains and can display them, it must at least be a 2A structure.
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Infinite may be used here not in the mathematical sense but in the sense of too many. It seemed to me a very strange idea that Taric saw infinitely many things. If it is not in the mathematical sense but in the sense of too many, then this argument can be used as 2-C, not 2-A.
Shiedaisthepeak said:
Thresh states that he can consume all of space-time-reality.
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Could this expression mean consuming everything in Space-Time separately? Or does it eat/absorb everything in one go as you think? The reason I have doubts about this is that they may prefer not to eat it all at once in order to enjoy it. Judging by the splash art of Dark Star Kha Zix, it looks like it's about to eat a planet. Of course, you mentioned Thresh. Thresh may be much superior to the others.

Let me also add that if they consume Space-Time by eating as I understand it, they may be more gigantic than Space-Time. I think Dark Star Thresh can be given Large Size Type 9. I think it can be given Immersuable Lifthing Strength indirectly.

Shiedaisthepeak said:
Following this unusual transcendence, Zoe journeyed to dimensions at the very edge of Targon’s control, playing within realities beyond human comprehension. Returning home after millennia, Zoe has aged barely a year. Though Runeterra has changed little from her perspective, she arrives full of teenage curiosity for humans and her fellow Aspects.
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This argument was brought up when Zoe was first added to the game, and it was decided that Zoe's EE Hax would have a range of 5D. It was also added to her profile.

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Ar1216789 said:
Time just seems to pass differently and is unfathomable to the mind of humans, not really beyond it.
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I agree with that. This may not be transcendence but a universe with a different space-time.
 
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Shiedaisthepeak said:
Dark Stars are already multi-dimensional entities, so I don't think this would be an outlier. However, they should be capable of destroying everything within cosmology — meaning they should at least be classified as Low 1-C. But if you’d like, I can frame it in a way that aligns with accepting them as 2-A.

And to avoid any misunderstandings, I should also clarify that while the cosmology might be 2-A, the Celestial Realm 'An age ago, when time itself was young, the inhabitants of the celestial realm regarded the fledgling races of Runeterra with growing concern. These creatures deviated wildly, unpredictably, and dangerously from the great designs intended for them by those above. The guidance and fates that had been woven into the night sky often went unseen—or worse, were misinterpreted by their simple mortal minds, leading to chaos, uncertainty, and suffering.' operates on a more transcendent temporal plane that perceives the universe as finite. For now, I wouldn’t call it an infinite 5D structure, but I can at least describe it as a standard 5D construct.

Thank you for reading and sharing your thoughts!
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It's still 2-A to be honest, I don't see any indications for Low 1-C — The guy above me actually has some good points that I personally align with, so yeah it might be best if you respond to him first and then from there I'll observe the thread. If it's cut and dry, I'll change my stance though. While also waiting for the staff to evaluate this at the moment.
 
Voidnether said:
It's still 2-A to be honest, I don't see any indications for Low 1-C — The guy above me actually has some good points that I personally align with, so yeah it might be best if you respond to him first and then from there I'll observe the thread. If it's cut and dry, I'll change my stance though. While also waiting for the staff to evaluate this at the moment.
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Alright then, I will write the vote as 2-A.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Infinite may be used here not in the mathematical sense but in the sense of too many. It seemed to me a very strange idea that Taric saw infinitely many things. If it is not in the mathematical sense but in the sense of too many, then this argument can be used as 2-C, not 2-A.
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What Taric has witnessed can actually be interpreted as an infinite number of realities, all converging into a single point in time. Therefore, I believe this would place it at 2A

Apollonir.Scale said:
Could this expression mean consuming everything in Space-Time separately? Or does it eat/absorb everything in one go as you think? The reason I have doubts about this is that they may prefer not to eat it all at once in order to enjoy it. Judging by the splash art of Dark Star Kha Zix, it looks like it's about to eat a planet. Of course, you mentioned Thresh. Thresh may be much superior to the others.
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Thank you for pointing out a great aspect. We know from Dark Star Kha’Zix that the general goal of the Dark Stars is the complete annihilation of existence (cosmology). Additionally, Thresh, as their guide, works to consume all realities and existence for the Dark Star, meaning their target is not singularity but the entirety of cosmology.
Apollonir.Scale said:
Let me also add that if they consume Space-Time by eating as I understand it, they may be more gigantic than Space-Time. I think Dark Star Thresh can be given Large Size Type 9. I think it can be given Immersuable Lifthing Strength indirectly.
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I agree with this as well, but for now, it will remain a separate topic. The important focus is on the cosmology revision.
Apollonir.Scale said:
I agree with that. This may not be transcendence but a universe with a different space-time.
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Considering the transcendence statements and the fundamentally different mechanics at play, I believe it can be classified as at least Low 1-C. However, since it contains infinite realities, 2-A can also be justified.
 
OrangeFR said:
It would be cool if you could go into more detail about Low 1-C, I can’t see imgur links rn so that might hamper it a bit but I can check later.
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If the links aren’t working for you, I can send the images through any communication platform or even here, whichever you prefer. The visuals might convey the information better than my explanation.
 
Shiedaisthepeak said:
Here comes Kayn's protector,Shiedaisthepeak!!!

I guess it will be a new trial, so let's get started right away.

Celestial Realm:
Humans cannot comprehend the time mechanics of the 'Celestial Realm,' which operates on a higher level than the existing time in Runeterra. For the Celestial Realm, it is 'timeless,' beyond the imagination of mortals. This means that the time operating in the Celestial Realm is beyond normal time, and it points out that mortals (humans) are creations too limited to understand this,That's why it is called 'timeless' for the Celestial Realm.' Already, the fact that it operates beyond human imagination implies a higher level of time.
So, the interpretation here will be that the Celestial Realm operates in a transcendent dimension of time, rather than being timeless because; humans, limited by their own thoughts and capacities, cannot comprehend the concept of time in the Celestial Realm and thus can only describe it as 'timeless.

I need to state that linear time/time does exist in the Celestial Realm, and if these aspects are present, it will prove what I’ve said.

Feats:

Following this unusual transcendence, Zoe journeyed to dimensions at the very edge of Targon’s control, playing within realities beyond human comprehension. Returning home after millennia, Zoe has aged barely a year. Though Runeterra has changed little from her perspective, she arrives full of teenage curiosity for humans and her fellow Aspects.

So, from this, we can be certain that time progresses in a more transcendent way. Now, let's move on to the others;

"Taric was horrified in the face of infinite fate and reality'' this is only a fraction of the realities observed by the Celestial Realm, but since the Celestial Realm contains and can display them, it must at least be a 2A structure.

They witnessed the moment of creation of the universe where all of time converged, the moment where the Crisis Time exists.

The Celestial Realm and its beings (the Celestials) cannot interact with Runeterra and the universe because they exist in a higher dimension. Therefore, they are content with only observing. In order to interact with others, they have created physical manifestations of themselves.

Conclusion for Celestial Realm:
If we calculate a temporal dimension that encompasses infinite realities and operates in a higher dimension, it would be at least infinite 5D (Low 1-C), but even if we reject the transcendence of time, it is still necessary to take at least 2A from the infinite realities.

Dark Stars:
They have the capacity to destroy all of existence: 'No one devours all of existence on my watch!' This should not be interpreted as a singularity because it also includes Ezreal, who is from another reality, and thus they are powerful enough to destroy all of existence. This also includes the Celestial Realm, which is why it can easily scale to the Low 1-C tier.

Rhaast states that he can destroy all of reality.

Thresh states that he can consume all of space-time-reality.


Tüm bu ifadeler tekillikten ziyade çoğulculuğa işaret ediyor ve Karanlık Yıldızların gerçek amacının çoklu evrenler olduğunu ve Göksel Alemi'nin bunların içinde olduğunu varsayarsak, tüm Karanlık Yıldızların L1C veya 2A sınıfı olarak sınıflandırılması gerektiğine inanıyorum .

KABUL EDİYORUM: @Protector_Hunk @Baabasaplar95 @GrayCraft_Dragon @Gorkyss @Ar1216789 @Voidnether (2A'ya katılıyorum) @OrangeFR (2A'ya katılıyorum)
AYNI FİKİRDE OLMAMAK:
DOĞAL:
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I agree with everything
 
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Shiedaisthepeak said:
What Taric has witnessed can actually be interpreted as an infinite number of realities, all converging into a single point in time. Therefore, I believe this would place it at 2A
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What I mean is the use of the word "infinite." It can also be used to mean innumerable, not infinite, numbers.
Shiedaisthepeak said:
meaning their target is not singularity but the entirety of cosmology.
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I understand that, but how long does it take for them to consume the entire Cosmology? So unless there is a video explanation of this, it can also be assumed that they consume everything in the Cosmology separately. Like the Kha Zix example I gave, Kha Zix is about to eat a planet. What I mean is that unless they eat the Cosmology in one bite, what you say is not applicable. And they will eat it all together.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
I understand that, but how long does it take for them to consume the entire Cosmology? So unless there is a video explanation of this, it can also be assumed that they consume everything in the Cosmology separately. Like the Kha Zix example I gave, Kha Zix is about to eat a planet. What I mean is that unless they eat the Cosmology in one bite, what you say is not applicable. And they will eat it all together.
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This topic has already been discussed, but what I mean is this: unless there is an anti-feat, it wouldn’t make sense to argue otherwise. Kha’Zix’s example reflects his 'arbitrary' desire, while the true goal of the Dark Stars is to consume the entire cosmology 'at once' and witness the end of everything simultaneously. Therefore, I don’t think these actions are taken in a sequential manner.
Apollonir.Scale said:
What I mean is the use of the word "infinite." It can also be used to mean innumerable, not infinite, numbers.
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I don't see the need to use anything for 'countless,' as we already know the cosmology is infinite

If you'd like, we can discuss this on the Discord address I left on your profile. Personally, that would be more convenient for me.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
There are some areas where I am suspicious.

Infinite may be used here not in the mathematical sense but in the sense of too many. It seemed to me a very strange idea that Taric saw infinitely many things. If it is not in the mathematical sense but in the sense of too many, then this argument can be used as 2-C, not 2-A.
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Bro wtf is this argument, it is said infinite realities which means infinite realities. Thats easy 2A dont scretch it
 
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