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Back again from my sleep so a lot clear and calm than yesterday lol. Probably should have left this alone for a while and then write it but I figured it might be better to have it done now and then forgetting to write less than half of it.
So regarding the original NPI proposal, it seems that I've somehow got the impression of wanting to grant everyone (as in, everyone that's pretty relevant here FAIK) NPI on the same level/extent as Machina which, to those who've known me for a while outside the wiki (Redgrave and SleepyTBubble/ALRF, in particular) would know that that's pretty dumb and even I know that would be a stupid proposal to try and make. Thus in an attempt to clear things up, I will try to break down my NPI proposal and explain each part and also why, if anyone remembers or looks back at the OP up top, that two paragraphs are made separately for a reason or so (besides the smaller one inbetween them).
First one to get out of the way is the LDO's + Ren and Shirou's (when he gets Rusalka's/Bey's) Holy Relic's which allows them to not only do what's been said thus far and should be basic ish knowledge by now (direct soul attacking, negate/hinder regen, plunder souls as they kill, and whatever effects their HR may produce from one another) but also with having the ability to attack disembodied souls. This sounds pretty simple enough for NPI but I don't mind if this is simply another application of soul manip. The only way of noting this as NPI is simply through the very pages description, which Warre actually made a point that there may be a need for a type list for it (and it's kinda pretty bare ish? tbh) but that's for another discussion on its own for another time. Anyways it's as it says here:
"The power to interact with intangible or non-corporeal beings. Users can both see and interact with intangible, or non-corporeal, abstract, and nonexistent life-forms and entities, allowing them to make physical contact and possibly cause harm."
There's that. Any more other replies can determine if what the LDO also do is simply another app for their soul manip or NPI. Latter, if chosen, would grant them an add on for it of NPI for attacking bodiless/disembodied (are they similar in meaning?) souls.
Anyways, Machina's part...this part obviously needs a lot of context and clear up as that's where Monarch interpreted my writing proposal for everyone in the first place. Though this might also confuse any other people and not just him who see this that might not give enough thought to what I was trying to put out so hopefully, and yes I know I keep saying I won't bring this up and I keep doing it cuz I had mixed thoughts to it, that what I put here WILL clear things up enough. And it WILL be the last time I make myself clear. If it doesn't clear things up, IDK what will. All I know is what I put is what I know what to only add for most and what to add more for Machina (and by extension, Reinhard) only.
"Machina, I believe, also has more justifications of NPI, as he punched out Cain when the latter was using Beatrice's Briah which turns the user into literal lightning itself, and Interview has stated his fists can end anything whether it has a shape or not, which can include stuff like lightning and fire as well as concepts like darkness itself, which would make sense for him to have in order to end the "story" of any phenomena he hits. And ofc Reinhard has this as well by extension I assume."
For starters, there's a point for why I separated Machina from the rest (rest as in everyone else in the LDO including Wolfgang and Eleonore as well as Ren and Shirou) and that's because he's a lot more varietable in his case. Keyword being his as what he can interact with and attack is specifically what he's known for. It's already a known fact that Machina could yeet people or concepts out of existence since DI with his Briah, and he has also blown away some of Eleonore's flames during the Commanders vs EFF Ren fight in Rea's route for a minor case. When Interview came out, it's brought up again during the fight with Methuselah with how Machina could attack something regardless if it had a shape or not. People, Buildings, Fire, Lightning, Thoughts (TBQH, I still DEK HTF he would be able to do this lol), Concepts (like Darkness/Methuselah), as long as his fists can hit them he gets the job done how he wants it.
That said though, I think I see where the problem is in why Monarch assumed I "wanted everyone" to have NPI and that's likely because of not spending more time on the NPI parts to explain the differences between Machina's NPI (and Reinhard's) and that of everyone elses who, other than some stuff I will be getting into after this whole passage that I will address on, only can interact with souls whether they have bodies or not to the best of their abilities.
Point is, there's the factor of context that I have to clear up in why I set up my NPI initially like that both here and on my blog. That said context is that Machina's NPI, or the extent of it at least, does NOT apply to the rest of his fellow Legion members. The only one who does is his superior/leader Reinhard, who technically already has in his own way via murking Methuselah and all his nights. I still DK if anyone else has problems with how I initially wrote my proposal part on NPI, but just so no further problems arise in all this like yesterday, this is all of what I have to say to clear things up.
Once again, if by chance this doesn't seem to clear things up for any more people, IDK what else will. That's all I have to say of the matter.
So regarding the original NPI proposal, it seems that I've somehow got the impression of wanting to grant everyone (as in, everyone that's pretty relevant here FAIK) NPI on the same level/extent as Machina which, to those who've known me for a while outside the wiki (Redgrave and SleepyTBubble/ALRF, in particular) would know that that's pretty dumb and even I know that would be a stupid proposal to try and make. Thus in an attempt to clear things up, I will try to break down my NPI proposal and explain each part and also why, if anyone remembers or looks back at the OP up top, that two paragraphs are made separately for a reason or so (besides the smaller one inbetween them).
First one to get out of the way is the LDO's + Ren and Shirou's (when he gets Rusalka's/Bey's) Holy Relic's which allows them to not only do what's been said thus far and should be basic ish knowledge by now (direct soul attacking, negate/hinder regen, plunder souls as they kill, and whatever effects their HR may produce from one another) but also with having the ability to attack disembodied souls. This sounds pretty simple enough for NPI but I don't mind if this is simply another application of soul manip. The only way of noting this as NPI is simply through the very pages description, which Warre actually made a point that there may be a need for a type list for it (and it's kinda pretty bare ish? tbh) but that's for another discussion on its own for another time. Anyways it's as it says here:
"The power to interact with intangible or non-corporeal beings. Users can both see and interact with intangible, or non-corporeal, abstract, and nonexistent life-forms and entities, allowing them to make physical contact and possibly cause harm."
There's that. Any more other replies can determine if what the LDO also do is simply another app for their soul manip or NPI. Latter, if chosen, would grant them an add on for it of NPI for attacking bodiless/disembodied (are they similar in meaning?) souls.
Anyways, Machina's part...this part obviously needs a lot of context and clear up as that's where Monarch interpreted my writing proposal for everyone in the first place. Though this might also confuse any other people and not just him who see this that might not give enough thought to what I was trying to put out so hopefully, and yes I know I keep saying I won't bring this up and I keep doing it cuz I had mixed thoughts to it, that what I put here WILL clear things up enough. And it WILL be the last time I make myself clear. If it doesn't clear things up, IDK what will. All I know is what I put is what I know what to only add for most and what to add more for Machina (and by extension, Reinhard) only.
"Machina, I believe, also has more justifications of NPI, as he punched out Cain when the latter was using Beatrice's Briah which turns the user into literal lightning itself, and Interview has stated his fists can end anything whether it has a shape or not, which can include stuff like lightning and fire as well as concepts like darkness itself, which would make sense for him to have in order to end the "story" of any phenomena he hits. And ofc Reinhard has this as well by extension I assume."
For starters, there's a point for why I separated Machina from the rest (rest as in everyone else in the LDO including Wolfgang and Eleonore as well as Ren and Shirou) and that's because he's a lot more varietable in his case. Keyword being his as what he can interact with and attack is specifically what he's known for. It's already a known fact that Machina could yeet people or concepts out of existence since DI with his Briah, and he has also blown away some of Eleonore's flames during the Commanders vs EFF Ren fight in Rea's route for a minor case. When Interview came out, it's brought up again during the fight with Methuselah with how Machina could attack something regardless if it had a shape or not. People, Buildings, Fire, Lightning, Thoughts (TBQH, I still DEK HTF he would be able to do this lol), Concepts (like Darkness/Methuselah), as long as his fists can hit them he gets the job done how he wants it.
That said though, I think I see where the problem is in why Monarch assumed I "wanted everyone" to have NPI and that's likely because of not spending more time on the NPI parts to explain the differences between Machina's NPI (and Reinhard's) and that of everyone elses who, other than some stuff I will be getting into after this whole passage that I will address on, only can interact with souls whether they have bodies or not to the best of their abilities.
Point is, there's the factor of context that I have to clear up in why I set up my NPI initially like that both here and on my blog. That said context is that Machina's NPI, or the extent of it at least, does NOT apply to the rest of his fellow Legion members. The only one who does is his superior/leader Reinhard, who technically already has in his own way via murking Methuselah and all his nights. I still DK if anyone else has problems with how I initially wrote my proposal part on NPI, but just so no further problems arise in all this like yesterday, this is all of what I have to say to clear things up.
Once again, if by chance this doesn't seem to clear things up for any more people, IDK what else will. That's all I have to say of the matter.
