Lancer (Cu) vs Archer (FSN)

[Schnee_One]

This topic always did bug me, did Archer surpass Lancer or did Lancer remain the top dog of the two? Let's find out.

Now let's set this up, let's rewrite the plot and say that Archer and Lancer fought a round 3 against one another, both with the expierience of their previous two battles and are both are more then ready to use whatever means to win, yes that includes UBW.

Discuss this question so I can rest please?

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Cu kills him easily, It's stated in the VN that the only reason Emiya didn't instantly die round 2 against Cu was because of previous experience of fighting him. Emiya won't be getting of broken phantasms or UBW when he is always on the defensive trying not to die. Add in Gae Bolg vs Emiyas E rank luck and you have a very dead Emiya. Or alternatively Cu throws Gae Bolg forcing Emiya to block with Rho Aias only to mess him up and leave his arm dangling by a muscle again giving Cu a free kill.

 

[Schnee_One]

I know it was because of expierience that he didn't die, he still has it here.

Also this is with standard battle assumptions which is 4km. So Lancer won't be up in his face immediately and Emiya knows he needs to activate to win from his knowledge on round 2.

Now what?

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Cu has numerous things to deal with Archers like rune barriers that can block noble phantasms, protection of arrows etc Cu held of a pissed of Gilgamesh for 12 hours. Cu destroys Emiya in terms of skills and would have instantly killed him if he didn't have previous experience and this is not counting Rune boosting his stats to A rank. 4 km? Cu throws Gae Bolg for a range of 40 km and it has the property of always hitting like Gungnir. Archer doesn't spam broken phantasms in character and Cu will easily track him down and rush him down by virtue of being the fastest Servant in the 5th holy grail war.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

This fight happened in canon, and Cu won. Why would the result be any different now?

 

[Schnee_One]

No it didn't, Archer never canonically used UBW, but alas the result is the same.