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Anyways this is quite literally the only time I’ve really interacted with dmc on this site, so overall I’d just appreciate a bit more patience with me not being familiar with scaling stuff from the manga and anime. All I am trying to do here is have a debate.
 
Anyways this is quite literally the only time I’ve really interacted with dmc on this site, so overall I’d just appreciate a bit more patience with me not being familiar with scaling stuff from the manga and anime. All I am trying to do here is have a debate.
your initial reaction in my first couple replies was to passively aggressively wonder if I'd even read the thread, so how about you show a bit of patience and some better debate etiquette yourself, if that's the thread environment you really want.
 
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No, I am asking the people who disagree with me to have a discussion to decide who is correct. The one who escalated shit is most likely the one mocking me over stupid shit having not read threads that were unrelated to this crt, and that would be you. You were the first to get heated and the first to act like a dick, and I very clearly pointed out to you the moment I could have taken you to the rvr, and the only reason I didn’t is because I am patient enough and actually willing to debate with the people who disagree with me.
Bruh, you literally called me stupid for stating the obvious and you were being aggressive prior to that. The only reason this thread is a mess is because you can't handle people disagreeing with you. Especially when context that dismantles you premise is shown and all you do is ignore it

If you want to report me go ahead, if don't then just stop saying "I could have reported you", especially when I could have easily done the same.

Trish in dmc1 took a Dante Level attack and only got knocked unconscious from it…I don’t think she’s marionette level, even if she doesn’t scale to Dante there.
Trish never tanked anything from Dante, all she did was try to fry his ass while he was fighting Nightmare or having fun with her at the beginning of the game. In fact she was going to be killed by a rock so...

IIRC she is literally stated to be around marionette level as she was made only to get Dante into the island.
Also I’d just like to point out that Trish was definitely actually getting hurt when Lady went at her hand to hand, and she was visibly bothered by it on her face, so make of that what you will.
Like I said, demonic power can be controlled to make someone weaker or stronger so lady being able to tango with her isn't that relevant when most of the time Trish was playing around.

Also the fact that Trish obviously doesn't scale to her older self pretty much kills any scaling for Lady.
 
The only explosión I remember is the one from Kalina Ann, could be wrong since it has been a long time.

Also demonic juice isn't at full capacity 100% of the time, demons can control the output and all that stuff... It's just that they don't do that because duh they are evil and arrogant and stuff.
Nope, Trish pointblank blasts Lady with her magic
Regardless of how much magic Trish is using, she is still amping her attacks with demonic energy

Also iirc Trish is like marionette level in DMC 1 and the anime happens like 2 years from that and DMC 4 happens 5 years after the anime
I mean... Trish does pretty much nothing in DMC 1, but she could harm and pin a casual Dante in the intro and suprise attack oneshot him after he fought with Nightmare. I guess Mundus considered Trish above Nelo Angelo

In DMC 4, Lady could still keep up with Trish in combat and even perform combo attacks together, and if you take the Lady/Trish gameplay into account Lady can defeat boss characters like Berial
In DMC 5, Lady is used to power Artemis, who could fight with Nero, similar to how Cavaliere Angelo was being powered up by Trish

That said I think Lady should at least be 8-C and possibly 6-C/4-C
 
Bruh, you literally called me stupid for stating the obvious and you were being aggressive prior to that. The only reason this thread is a mess is because you can't handle people disagreeing with you. Especially when context that dismantles you premise is shown and all you do is ignore it
I called your argument stupid because you thought you were a genius saying “no shit” after I pointed out something you said was wrong. You alone ruined the thread my guy.
If you want to report me go ahead, if don't then just stop saying "I could have reported you", especially when I could have easily done the same.
I don’t because that would be petty and because we’re still talking
you on the other hand immediately went to staff to try and shut this down as early as possible, so I guess we don’t share the same philosophy there.
Trish never tanked anything from Dante, all she did was try to fry his ass while he was fighting Nightmare or having fun with her at the beginning of the game. In fact she was going to be killed by a rock so...

IIRC she is literally stated to be around marionette level as she was made only to get Dante into the island.
What I refer to is mentioned on her durability justification.
Like I said, demonic power can be controlled to make someone weaker or stronger so lady being able to tango with her isn't that relevant when most of the time Trish was playing around.
“Most of the time” or all of the time? Seems like an important distinction to make, and one that you don’t have full confidence in going by your word choice.
Lady straight up reacts to her and damages her, so it’s nice as a supporting feat, consistency sake and whatnot. Again, the main thing is that clear statement from Dante himself that puts her directly above Nero. Even that argument with Bianco Angelo is starting to fall apart, as I showed earlier that even post DT Nero struggles with them in cutscenes. So going back, I ask again for your counterargument to debunk Dante’s clear statement being useable.
 
Also the statement from Dante means that Lady is more badass than Lucia and should therefore scale above her too
 
If we did, presumably you would have a response for that too, right? So then, if we still disagreed after that, would we then need to respond to your response? And then, if you respond once more, the same thing starts over again?

The point being, CRTs are not a "last word" contest where staff (or others) are only allowed to maintain a disagreement so long as they have personally replied to your most recent counter-argument.
 
Bro Lady's rockets can't even scratch fodders far weaker than 8C Blitz.
Let alone regular anti demon bullets.
Ironically her raw power with Bayonet is more than her rockets but still not 8C.
Bianco don't scale to Blitz.

Maybe she has a reserve of some high grade anti-demon bullets for dealing with mid tiers. But it's a conjecture, without any tangible proof. Even then thats hax, via soul/regen neg hax gained from Anti-demonic material as stated in lore. Defo not AP.
 
If we did, presumably you would have a response for that too, right? So then, if we still disagreed after that, would we then need to respond to your response? And then, if you respond once more, the same thing starts over again?

The point being, CRTs are not a "last word" contest where staff (or others) are only allowed to maintain a disagreement so long as they have personally replied to your most recent counter-argument.
This may be an unfamiliar concept given the typical culture of people being unwilling to accept that they are wrong, but if I have no questions left then I will and have changed my mind about things like this in the past. Either way, there is no reason to close the thread, since there will most likely be a resolution reached on way or another
you in particular, I have noticed, have a bad habit of being trigger happy and closing threads prematurely, which is incredibly unproductive and only leads to arguments being cut short halfway with many loose ends for no reason. Respectfully, back off for a few days, unless you can answer my concerns from earlier directly debunking the arguments from the past that you choose to cling to. Yes, people will respond to the responses of responses of responses, that is how any actual discussion works, granted again you may be unfamiliar with the concept of having a discussion without resorting to using your staff power when you decide you want to, but nonetheless, it just doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if the thread takes a while, because I have had to put up with threads that take over a month just because of a single staff member keeping me waiting and whatnot.
You treat threads as if every second they’re open a house explodes somewhere in the world, and I don’t really appreciate the idea that closing a thread because it was “rejected” is a valid thing
this isn’t even a situation where things have circled back to the very beginning and you are closing it as a last resort. This is an ongoing discussion, I have literally brought up new points and video evidence that you have ignored thus far, and rather than closing the thread as a last resort when there’s clearly nowhere else to go, you’re using it as your 1st resort once a few people have stated that they disagree at the moment.
I do not mind being proven wrong, I just kind it when you’re flexing your staff power in substitute of proving me wrong, and I am quite sure that this usage of thread closing was not quite what Antvasima intended.
 
This may be an unfamiliar concept given the typical culture of people being unwilling to accept that they are wrong, but if I have no questions left then I will and have changed my mind about things like this in the past. Either way, there is no reason to close the thread, since there will most likely be a resolution reached on way or another
you in particular, I have noticed, have a bad habit of being trigger happy and closing threads prematurely, which is incredibly unproductive and only leads to arguments being cut short halfway with many loose ends for no reason. Respectfully, back off for a few days, unless you can answer my concerns from earlier directly debunking the arguments from the past that you choose to cling to. Yes, people will respond to the responses of responses of responses, that is how any actual discussion works, granted again you may be unfamiliar with the concept of having a discussion without resorting to using your staff power when you decide you want to, but nonetheless, it just doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if the thread takes a while, because I have had to put up with threads that take over a month just because of a single staff member keeping me waiting and whatnot.
You treat threads as if every second they’re open a house explodes somewhere in the world, and I don’t really appreciate the idea that closing a thread because it was “rejected” is a valid thing
this isn’t even a situation where things have circled back to the very beginning and you are closing it as a last resort. This is an ongoing discussion, I have literally brought up new points and video evidence that you have ignored thus far, and rather than closing the thread as a last resort when there’s clearly nowhere else to go, you’re using it as your 1st resort once a few people have stated that they disagree at the moment.
I do not mind being proven wrong, I just kind it when you’re flexing your staff power in substitute of proving me wrong, and I am quite sure that this usage of thread closing was not quite what Antvasima intended.
I can also say firsthand that I have participated and seen threads where there is an initial staff disagreement and after extended discussion time, it manages to go through in one way or another, or comes to some sort of middle ground resolution.
There is absolutely no justification for premature thread closing.
 
Respectfully, back off for a few days, unless you can answer my concerns from earlier directly debunking the arguments from the past that you choose to cling to.
Respectfully, I am not obliged to argue with you until you are personally satisfied with the state of the discussion.

Either way, there is no reason to close the thread,
have a bad habit of being trigger happy and closing threads prematurely,
I don’t really appreciate the idea that closing a thread because it was “rejected” is a valid thing
this isn’t even a situation where things have circled back to the very beginning and you are closing it as a last resort.
rather than closing the thread as a last resort when there’s clearly nowhere else to go
and I am quite sure that this usage of thread closing was not quite what Antvasima intended.
There is absolutely no justification for premature thread closing.

Yikes.

I'd like to point out that I haven't once referenced closing this thread in any of my comments.
 
Hey, you're welcome. At the end of the day, the closure of this thread isn't going to be postponed indefinitely on account of this kind of foot stomping. I never said I was going to, but the fact of the matter is that with three staff disagrees, the outlook is not good and we already have a decisive enough consensus to close it if I were of a mind to do so. It doesn't need to be left open until you feel the disagreeing mods have argued with you enough.
 
This isn’t footstomping, and the fact that you’re calling it that is just blatant disrespect. I could have easily just made a 5 paragraph essay of me saying you’re stupid and being like “I hate you so much” but instead I chose to try and give a reasonable argument to show why it’s proven to be impractical to close threads this early in the game.
I am simply telling you to back off, because everyone here knows that you were alluding to closing the thread.
But yet again you do not have the decency to acknowledge most of what I said moments ago, and instead just give me the same attitude of “it doesn’t matter what you think, because I am a staff member”
LordGriffon didn’t act like this, ArmorChompy didn’t act like this, I would prefer if you were to follow their lead in this regard.
 
LordGriffon didn’t act like this, ArmorChompy didn’t act like this, I would prefer if you were to follow their lead in this regard.
All that I did was ask what their concrete stance was, and indicate that I agreed with them. That's it. Nothing that would justify this bizarre tantrum you're currently directing at me.
 
All that I did was ask what their concrete stance was, and indicate that I agreed with them. That's it. Nothing that would justify this bizarre tantrum you're currently directing at me.
I am just going to straight up say you are quite condescending for a vsb thread moderator, calling this "foot stomping" and a "bizzare tantrum". Given last time, it's only natural that I'd be suspicious of you in the case that you try to close a thread before I can even finish typing my message again.


Now, would someone like to respond to my argument? Particularly the evidence that Bianco Angelos could go toe to toe with post devil trigger Nero and make him struggle for a bit.
 
I am just going to straight up say you are quite condescending for a vsb thread moderator, calling this "foot stomping" and a "bizzare tantrum".
When you derail a thread with accusations towards me because I dared to ask other staff what their votes were and gave my own, it's only naturally that I call it like I see it. I'm not sure why you would get the impression that you can treat me however you want without me ever responding in kind.

Given last time, it's only natural that I'd be suspicious of you in the case that you try to close a thread before I can even finish typing my message again.
You are more than welcome to be as suspicious as you want, I don't dictate your emotions, but that is not a justification for materializing that suspicion into derailing posts of accusations against staff members.
 
When you derail a thread with accusations towards me because I dared to ask other staff what their votes were and gave my own, it's only naturally that I call it like I see it. I'm not sure why you would get the impression that you can treat me however you want without me ever responding in kind.
What did you think I was gonna do, wait for when you to close the thread before I tell you why you shouldn't close the thread? When a guy who likes to close threads proceeds to tally up staff votes, it is perfectly reasonable for me to call it like I see it.
But if you took the time to read any of that, you'd see that none of it was a foot stomping tantrum, but I can see that you've doubled down on that regardless. It's as though you get the impression that you can treat me however you want without me ever responding.
You are more than welcome to be as suspicious as you want, I don't dictate your emotions, but that is not a justification for materializing that suspicion into derailing posts of accusations against staff members.
I believed you were trying to close the thread and I acted on it. I am still certain that you want to close it, but that is beside the point
Now, would someone like to respond to my argument? Particularly the evidence that Bianco Angelos could go toe to toe with post devil trigger Nero and make him struggle for a bit.
you should also probably say something about this, given that despite all the bs you've given me, this is still a crt, and we are still arguing about the topic at hand.
 
What did you think I was gonna do, wait for when you to close the thread before I tell you why you shouldn't close the thread?
Well, preferably, you would wait until I gave some indication of closing the thread, rather than accuse me of scheming to close it for the crime of asking them what their votes were.

And if you are of the opinion that you think I'm going to close the thread, you are more than welcome to address it without being needlessly aggro. If you're going to overlook both of those considerations, then you cannot also feel indignant of the fact that I called it a bizarre tantrum. That is, quite literally, what it was.
 
Well, preferably, you would wait until I gave some indication of closing the thread, rather than accuse me of scheming to close it for the crime of asking them what their votes were.

And if you are of the opinion that you think I'm going to close the thread, you are more than welcome to address it without being needlessly aggro. If you're going to overlook both of those considerations, then you cannot also feel indignant of the fact that I called it a bizarre tantrum. That is, quite literally, what it was.
I'm not even going to entertain this.
Just get back to the topic, we can pick up your dismissive squabbling somewhere else.
Once again, this is a crt.
No I'm aware, he's had an ongoing hostility issue.
Tony has been more hostile than I throughout all of this. I don't care if you have selective vision, but don't try and pin this shit on me.
 
Anyways, Nero "struggling" with the biancos is because of plot. Why? you may ask, because if he didn't start swinging wildly like a dumbass he would have killed Agnus, saved kyrie and run to safety which obviously kills half of the game something they couldn't allow for obvious reasons.

Plot point is over the moment sanctus takes Kyrie away which is when Nero flexes and destroyed all the biancos that were being "trouble" to him, and from there the plot can continue normally because Nero needs to get the savior and rescue kyrie only to be trapped, etc, etc.

In short you can call it PIS
 
I'm not even going to entertain this.
Just get back to the topic, we can pick up your dismissive squabbling somewhere else.
Once again, this is a crt.
You are the one who began the squabbling. You're free to discontinue it at any time. If you didn't want this CRT to turn into this, you should not have accused me of trying to close the thread when I never gave any indication of doing so.

Tony has been more hostile than I throughout all of this. I don't care if you have selective vision, but don't try and pin this shit on me.
I'm referring to a history of behavior beyond this thread.
 
Anyways, Nero "struggling" with the biancos is because of plot. Why? you may ask, because if he didn't start swinging wildly like a dumbass he would have killed Agnus, saved kyrie and run to safety which obviously kills half of the game something they couldn't allow for obvious reasons.
Just because something helps the plot, doesn't automatically make it PIS. Sure, if they hadn't been there then Nero could have saved her, but all that means is that they were capable of stopping him in the first place. They could have easily made Sanctus himself stop Nero if he truly could just one shot all of them that easily.
Plot point is over the moment sanctus takes Kyrie away which is when Nero flexes and destroyed all the biancos that were being "trouble" to him, and from there the plot can continue normally because Nero needs to get the savior and rescue kyrie only to be trapped, etc, etc.
as seen here, Nero was still struggling with them and it took him being completely enraged to do so. Moments before that, he was still struggling with throwing them around, and was very certainly not doing so casually.
In short, there is not really any evidence that it's PIS in any case, since they were even able to survive a few attacks from a bloodlusted Nero.
You are the one who began the squabbling. You're free to discontinue it at any time. If you didn't want this CRT to turn into this, you should not have accused me of trying to close the thread when I never gave any indication of doing so.
You seemed to be doing it, I acted on that, you doubled down and didn't give any indication that you'd leave it open, so I acted cautiously.
Also, you're free to discontinue this as well, since you claim to not be a fan of "get the last word in" competitions. I would appreciate you following through on that philosophy regardless.
I'm referring to a history of behavior beyond this thread.
resolved issues at best. Not only are you continuing the previous derail, but you are bringing up new things that have nothing to do with this instance. Just drop this before it goes anywhere.
 
You seemed to be doing it,
Again, all I did was ask for clarification on votes and offered my own. Nothing that would justify your paranoia on the matter.

resolved issues at best. Not only are you continuing the previous derail, but you are bringing up new things that have nothing to do with this instance. Just drop this before it goes anywhere.
I was clarifying my stance.
 
I was clarifying my stance.
You are just intentionally trying to make me look worse, which I don't really appreciate and am not just going to be quiet about. Seems like everything you add is just another little poke at my reputation or something. Just drop it, no negotiation on this point.
But if we do wanna play the reputation card, then I guess you'll have to forgive me for your reputation appearing to me as a guy who has shown to ignore people and will happily close a thread the moment he appears. See how easy that is? Yeah, now for the love of god can you JUST DROP THIS
this is a crt. That's it.
 
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