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Why is this not accepted as Light Speed?
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Kuma Pad Cannon
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Why is this not accepted as Light Speed?
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Does it meet all the standards?
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It's air, not light, lol
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Only light needs standards.
Anything with a statement of light speed is lightspeed regardless of headcanon
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Right, I forgot. But yeah, he'd be propelling the air at light speed, so it should be SoL.
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Deflected at the speed of light then forms a shockwave so the shockwave isn't stated to be LS
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Says nothing about that tbh
This don't even make sense
Deflecting as the speed of light is not a thing, because you're implying that it deflected in a specific timeframe. Speed isn't a timeframe.
If it is SoL that means that it moves at SoL
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When I get home I'll give my thoughts because this isn't lightspeed
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Yes it is a thing the original deflection is the speed of light which forms a shockwave afterwards
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Agree with this.
Agree with Tempest's reasoning, the air itself is being deflected at the speed of light making it into a canon instead of just regular air, that's what's being said.
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agreed
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So what is the original object that is being deflected
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The air itself is deflected at lightspeed to form the projectile, but the projectile itself isn't accepted as moving that fast. Nothing else Kuma reflects has been shown to physically move at lightspeed, and as it travels through air it would encounter friction that could slow it down further which could be an issue.
It's also been shown to reacted to and dodged by characters substantially slower than that which would create consistency problems. (Luffy and numerous other Supernovas can do nothing at all to react to lightspeed, but a half-dead Zoro could evade these shockwaves)
It's also been shown to reacted to and dodged by characters substantially slower than that which would create consistency problems. (Luffy and numerous other Supernovas can do nothing at all to react to lightspeed, but a half-dead Zoro could evade these shockwaves)
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Kuma doesn't state anything else he reflects moves at light speed though, he only states that his air pad moves that fast.
No one else but Zoro could evade these pad canons and he proceeded to evade light later on
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Fair.
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That's the point of the thread
Himself, which blitzed Kizaru and Rayleigh.
The strawhats, which nobody including the god tiers could see.
This logic can work with literally everything in fiction.
You mean the Zoro who reacted to a lightspeed laser right after?
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Yeah. I don't think that Zoro is massively faster than Gear 2 Luffy and the other Supernova.
Appearing next to them while they're in the middle of combat and focused on each other doesn't really count as blitzing them IMO.
We know they didn't move at lightspeed because it took Luffy days to reach Amazon Lily.
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A still injured Zoro in sabaody was shown around as fast as gear second
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Who says they can't just scale?
What stops Zoro from even being up there? It's not like it's FTL
You mean appearing next to a proficient kenbun user doesn't count as blitzing?
Outlier travel speed feat
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Statements of the same timeframe multiple other times and the other straw hats reached their islands in days as well
Air which is reflected at LS then forms an shockwave afterwards
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I think it stands to reason that if the air is being reflected at the speed of light and the Pad Cannons are the air that is being reflected at the speed of light, then the Pad Cannons would be light speed
But that's just how I interpret that statement
But that's just how I interpret that statement
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This doesn't stop it from being an outlier travel speed feat for a distance
"Reflected at LS then forms a shockwave" the air is literally the shockwave at that point.
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I'm unsure why a discussion about everything Kuma repels not being light speed is being argued as an anti feat, when the statement only applies to the Pad Canon.
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"Enel's lightning isn't lightning speed, his spit doesn't move at lightning speed"
This is the logic I'm seeing.
This is the logic I'm seeing.
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I just think the statement isn't as explicit as "Kuma's air attacks = lightspeed".
He says the air pressure is deflect at lightspeed, and this is what creates the piercing shockwave - but the piercing shockwave itself isn't necessarily moving at the speed of light.
EDIT: Sorry if you think I'm being overly strict with this, but I just don't think the statement is that explicit.
He says the air pressure is deflect at lightspeed, and this is what creates the piercing shockwave - but the piercing shockwave itself isn't necessarily moving at the speed of light.
EDIT: Sorry if you think I'm being overly strict with this, but I just don't think the statement is that explicit.
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You can take this as an antifeat or outlier it is one of the two, but zoro dodged the said air cannons after they were released, a MHS+ wont be able to do that if they are LS
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What this implies to me that it's the shockwave itself is moving at light speed:
- "The air, deflected at the speed of light forms a powerful shockwave" the air being deflected at those speeds is what makes the speed of the shockwave as the shockwave is just the air.
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Nah your concern is valid
In OP for some weird ridiculous random reason, air and shockwaves are relative.
Ursus Shock uses the same exact devil fruit and the same exact air and it follows the same exact theme as the pad cannon.
They saw the paw and they called it air.
The air pressure is being moved at lightspeed.
Stop using the wiki's values for characters as antifeats as if they can't change
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Outlier statements and Multiple Outlier Travel speed feats vs 1 statement yeah seems legit
Not how I read it. I read it is as Reflects the air at LS which creates a shockwave so, the shockwave is created by the LS reflection but isn't LS itself
also minor nitpick the scan and the text box are different
PrinceofPein
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It is not Wiki's values, zoro in that arc is no where near ftl, so it is either that the cannons are not LS or it is an Outlier feat for zoro (
Anyway i am neutral
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No one in this thread implied he's FTL. I don't even think there's an accepted calc of him dodging this that gets FTL
Definitely not an outlier feat but w/e
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They are the same repelling ability there is no reason for them to be drastically different in speed especially when they are both pushing solid matter His pad cannons are never stated to be much faster then his other attacks
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Because the weight and material of the matter are 2 different things
