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Surtur's feat hasnt even happened, why would we use it?
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Surtur's feat, as well as literally everything prophesized about Ragnarok, did happen in the World Serpent's timeline. The World Serpent is there because of the Yggdrasil splinter to begin with.WeeklyBattles said:Surtur's feat hasnt even happened, why would we use it?
WindGodAcheron said:I didn't say that
I was mentioning that the feat could be calced in 4-A, not Tier 3, and that low end Tier 3 was only a possibility.WindGodAcheron said:All the other feats are tier 3 or low tier 2
Don't we use GBE for "moving X at FTL speeds" though? (Assuming X is a celestial body)Kepekley23 said:@Dargoo
Actually, that page you linked has no mention of Tier 3-A. It only goes up to 3-B.Kepekley23 said:
Doing anything that isn't destroying the universe, including creating it, isn't 3-A in actual quantifiable energy value. Moving a solar system at FTL speeds is unquantifiable, we consider it 4-B because of a standard we made. Same reason here.WeeklyBattles said:Moving all the mass of the universe is only 3-B
I'd rather have it on the page, because the feat that we're talking about falls under "moving multiple galaxies".Kepekley23 said:I mean, it is the logical follow-up of what is stated there. Exact same logic.
Dargoo Faust said:And isn't that rating listing based on the same "size chart" you claimed was unfounded in the creation thread?
So, it's valid here?Kepekley23 said:I said the size chart was unfounded under your logic of creation feats. Let's not try to restart that discussion, please.
I still wait for someone to prove Kratos moving at light speeds or infinite. But since there is nothing that holds enough liquid to support it entirely, best to have Kratos moving Supersonic with Massively Hypersonic reactions/reflexes.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:Nothing supports infinite speed Kratos, at least in the new game.
Also lol at infinite speed Atreus justification, his arrows are faster then creatures that can tag Kratos? So even those giants are infinite speed.
I second this.The real cal howard said:Infinite is the one thing I'm completely against, trust in Kep or no.
Could I just get a yes or no on it being valid here? I'm pointing out that it's currently in the system you were using to rate a character. Your edit wasn't very direct, apologies.Kepekley23 said:I edited my response on the "size chart being unfounded" part, you can check it out now.
Technically not a 3-A feat unless he made the space as well, going from previous discussions, assuming all he did was make the celestial bodies.Kepekley23 said:Uranus's son states that his father created the universe three separate times.
Ehhhh. The POV rapidly changes, and the explosion more resembles a nebulae/supernova than anything else. It doesn't look like anything in the galactic levels of size, not to even speak of universal.Kepekley23 said:Then we see him being punched so hard that there is an explosion around the battlefield (thus the explosion itself would probably scale to inverse square law yield) and we see countless stars and nebulae being spewed out from a very distant zoom-out of the explosion.
Wouldn't it cutting later to a fight on Earth more contradict it being universal?Kepekley23 said:I think those two things together right there constitute as the proof that it's universal, considering the scene later cuts to a fight on Earth.
Pardon me on this, but you think or you know? As for it being probably universe-sized, I don't know man, but it almost sounds like based on conjecture alone.Kepekley23 said:I edited my response on the "size chart being unfounded" part, you can check it out now.
Uranus's son states that his father created the universe three separate times.
Cue Uranus actually appearing physically in the series - we see the Primordials fighting in a void, with his body containing all of that matter (making it probably universe-sized to begin with). Then we see him being punched so hard that there is an explosion around the battlefield (thus the explosion itself would probably scale to inverse square law yield) and we see countless stars and nebulae being spewed out from a very distant zoom-out of the explosion. I think those two things together right there constitute as the proof that it's universal, considering the scene later cuts to a fight on Earth.
One might state that when he fought Cronos he would have been weakened by the fight, but there is no proof of that (considering they can change their size all they want)
Then its safe to have Kratos obtain FTL or whatever reactions because he doesn't appear to move that fast or show impressive speed feats (excluding his combat reactions)Kepekley23 said:I can understand the skepticism at Infinite, and can agree to a downgrade, but there are the following feats that are MFTL
- The universal round of fist-throwing the Primordials had in the beginning of the Ascension intro.
- The Sisters of the Fate's feat of physically managing, guiding, growing, snapping and etc. the threads of life nigh-instantly, of which there are as many threads as there are life-forms on Earth (not including microscopic life and only actual surface life for a lowball)
- The Valkyries from the Norse Game, who are able to travel between the realms through sheer speed
- Hermes guiding all the souls and bringing the dreams instantly, which was calc'ed at the low MFTL levels somewhere.
Couldn't have said it better myself.Dargoo Faust said:snip
This is why I'd like to rate travel speed differently from combat speed/reactions by default, but that's for another thread.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:Kratos being able to physically move his body at MFTL is pretty ridiculous. He spent a good portion of God of War trying to get to the top of the mountain. I mean he even uses a boat, but that's probably a gameplay decision like him not being able to jump. At best it would scale to his reaction speed imo.
Going by this same logic, then having Kratos at any speed that isn't Peak Human is ridiculous. If he were Supersonic at all he could leap mountains with a single jump (by the way, fodder demigods in Ascension have a feat of doing just that). If he were Hypersonic or higher he could leap islands instead of having to use "boats."Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:Kratos being able to physically move his body at MFTL is pretty ridiculous. He spent a good portion of God of War trying to get to the top of the mountain. I mean he even uses a boat, but that's probably a gameplay decision like him not being able to jump. At best it would scale to his reaction speed imo.
He scales from his demigod self, who can keep up with characters superior to Helios, but young Kratos' profile is a mess because it justifies his ratings by scaling from other characters and yet their profiles are not linked for some reason.ShadowWarrior1999 said:Where does infinite speed come from again?