Kisame vs Juvia

[HST_Master]

http://************/fairy-tail/chapter-291-vol-26-naval-battle-v2-c470937.html

Naval Battle Chapter where she threw nearly everyone out. Also she could still use Water Body underwater.

 

[AstralKing7]

Kisame absorbs her energy even if she goes intang with his sword. He also has the speed advantages as well as battle experience. Even in a stamina battle he wins because he literally absorbs her energy.

 

[HST_Master]

Her intangibility counters him making contact in general. Also he doesn't have samehada anymore, in order to absorb her magic he has to physically touch her. Not to mention she can simply manipulate the water around her instead of generating it.

 

[1997KD]

Bump

 

[1997KD]

And that version of Kisame didn't have samehada

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Her intangibility makes her water, that doean't make her impossible to touch, not any more than ethereal chakra cloaks.

Kisame also has a huge speed advantage to dodge stuff and absorb all of her magical attacks.

He also scales above 600 by a decent amount too.

 

[HST_Master]

Her intangibility makes her water, that doean't make her impossible to touch, not any more than ethereal chakra cloaks.

He directly has to make contact with someone via Samehada Fusion not to mention she's extremely faster in Water as well.

Kisame also has a huge speed advantage to dodge stuff and absorb all of her magical attacks.

They're also underwater, in which unlike him who can only use Water based jutsu, she can control the water around them to her advantage.

He also scales above 600 by a decent amount too.

At best that'd make them comparable.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Dude, he litirally chakradid it to a dude that turn into water. Suigetsu is a thing, and him attempting to go elemental intang on him cost him his chakra.

She can't push him around, if that is what you are suggesting. A Class G attack couldn't push him back, let alone class K waves. And he can also kill her by sucking off her life energy. Also, him absorbing chakra also stops people from using natural water, most water ninjutsu uses natural water as a basis to begin with.

He is much superior to Sasuke, who made the 600 ton fireball on the fly as a set up for one of his attacks, not even as an attack. She cannot have any meaningful advantage period.


So with speed advantage, he sucks her chakra and she dies.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Why ppl say that Kisame does not have Samehada when he is literally fused with it?

Anyway,Samehada can casually absorb more energy than she has,he depowered Killer Be from V2 to V1 instantly and absorbed 6 tails worth chakra in one go.He will drain her in an instant.And don't forget about his water clone jutsu,standard ninja jutsus and Regenerationn.Her being water won't stop him from draining her.

Kisame low-mid diff.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Do you have scans? Kisame doesn't have non physical interaction.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Water is physical,elemental intangibility is common for Naruto,plus he fought Suigetsu.Samehada will absorb her chakra even in water form.

 

[YungManzi]

You don't need non physical interaction to touch water...

 

[KobsterHope07]

^But you need it to harm someone who has Elemental Intangibility like Juvia.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Samehada will still drain her.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

^But you need it to harm someone who has Elemental Intangibility like Juvia.

He can absorb chakra of anything Samahed (or he, while fused with it) touches. That includes Suigetsu, the guy that litirally turns into water.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

You don't need non physical interaction to touch water...

Not to touch it, but to physically effect it normally. For example, you can punch a rock but you can't punch water effectively because it just flows around you. Someone with NPI can hit it like it's a rock.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Does Magic even equate to Chakra? Not sure how the two groups of energy compare.

 

[Davidsteel1]

Does Magic even equate to Chakra? Not sure how the two groups of energy compare.

Tbh magic comes across more similar to natural energy than chakra

 

[HST_Master]

Dude, he litirally chakradid it to a dude that turn into water. Suigetsu is a thing, and him attempting to go elemental intang on him cost him his chakra.

She can't push him around, if that is what you are suggesting. A Class G attack couldn't push him back, let alone class K waves. And he can also kill her by sucking off her life energy. Also, him absorbing chakra also stops people from using natural water, most water ninjutsu uses natural water as a basis to begin with.

He is much superior to Sasuke, who made the 600 ton fireball on the fly as a set up for one of his attacks, not even as an attack. She cannot have any meaningful advantage period.


So with speed advantage, he sucks her chakra and she dies.

And yet again, they're underwater. Not Chakra or Magic made water. Actual Water. She can use the natural water around her to attack instead of her magic she generated, unless you're trying to imply he can somehow absorb natural water in which scans are needed.

"He can stop people from using natural water" literally everyone he's fought with Water Style could generate it themselves.

And Juvia can harm genuinely Gray who scales to a 1.2 Gigaton feat. Like I said at best they'd be comparable.

 

[HST_Master]

Also I looked for the supposed Suigetsu fight and it was an offscreen fight. We don't see Kisame and Suigetsu fight in the manga. So the whole "he can absorb her even if she uses Water Body" became very questionable.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yeah dude. Must water ninjutsu uses actual water. He can just absorb people's control over it, like other ninjutsu.

Are you implying he's helpless againt anyone that doesn't pull tge water out of their ass? Because that's too dumb even for ksihimoto.

What is that supposed to prove..? Harming someone twice your power is relatively easy. 1You can hurt people several times above you with a well placed attack.


And once again you ignore my point. He's much faster, and seems to be more skilled as were, so he shunshin's to her and eats the energy from every cell in her body and her mental energy till she dies.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Also I looked for the supposed Suigetsu fight and it was an offscreen fight. We don't see Kisame and Suigetsu fight in the manga. So the whole "he can absorb her even if she uses Water Body" became very questionable.

Very questionable on what basis again? Beyond the fact that he couldn't win otherwise, he can eat an ethereal chackra cloak, as well as electricity and fire out of thin air. The idea that she becomes immune to getting her energy sucked because she's made out of water makes no sense.

Regardless, my vote is guven. He can just overwhelm her with soeed and eat ger dry.

 

[HST_Master]

Very questionable on what basis again? Beyond the fact that he couldn't win otherwise, he can eat an ethereal chackra cloak, as well as electricity and fire out of thin air. The idea that she becomes immune to getting her energy sucked because she's made out of water makes no sense.

Regardless, my vote is guven. He can just overwhelm her with soeed and eat ger dry.

Because we never see the fight. It's just a baseless assumption that in the manga what you say is exactly what happened when we never see what happens. This is the backbone of your argument. And if it's anime only, it's completely disregarded as non canon just like several other canonical anime only events. Why would this be accepted if other things positive or negative aren't?


Yeah dude. Must water ninjutsu uses actual water. He can just absorb people's control over it, like other ninjutsu.

And everyone he's fought could generate it themselves. Your point is essentially moot given that he's didn't fight anyone who could only use Water Style with Water near.

Are you implying he's helpless againt anyone that doesn't pull tge water out of their ass? Because that's too dumb even for ksihimoto.

It's simply common sense. The baseless assumption he can absorb natural water attacks is ridiculous.

What is that supposed to prove..? Harming someone twice your power is relatively easy. 1You can hurt people several times above you with a well placed attack.

Except

A. They both had intent to kill.

B. She tanked his attack.

Kisame doesn't AP advantage here.


And once again you ignore my point. He's much faster, and seems to be more skilled as were, so he shunshin's to her and eats the energy from every cell in her body and her mental energy till she dies.

Except you seem to be under the impression that being underwater only benefits Kisame. He can Shunsuin to her if he wants, but that won't stop her enhanced speed underwater, water body and method to attack that circumvents his absorption.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Just want to point out that most users of water style don't create water

Creating the water out of your own chakra is one of the most chakra intensive things and one of the only people who could constantly do it was Tobirama

Spitting the water from your mouth is still considered using existing water and manipulating it

 

[Dzhindzholia]

How does Kisame have anything do to with that?

He has presumably more chakra than Tobirama,and he has feats in creating lots of water.

 

[Abysswalker2126]

Super late but can’t kisame’s water prison technique contain her as it’s water is more dense than normal water and can’t he potentially use Paralysis jutsu to paralyze her and force her out of her water form then drain her chakra?It isn’t in character though but it’s a possibility