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Kirito vs Soul King
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Soul Crush
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Soul Crush
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Freeze GG got crushed...
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You should have known how this was gonna end just by looking at the profiles.
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Soul crush GG
Scottycj256
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Soul Crush ******* GG
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GG hsurC luoS
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No, SAO characters don't have resistance to soul manip.
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I think it was Krito vs YhwachPurgy said:Soul Crush gg
Also I think this was done before
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This.TheMonsterOfTheAbyss said:
Everyone knows Gamers don't have souls
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Of course they are, why wouldn't they? They explicity have souls on Alicization.TheMonsterOfTheAbyss said:
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Some people are granted some form of resistance or even flat out unequalized if the souls are not equal enough.
Hell, it's the reason why Samurai in Samurai 8 have soul resistance. Their souls are completely different from something like a bleach soul.
Same reason why the slime peeps argue you can't mind hax their characters without soul manipulation because their minds are their souls (Or reside inside of them or something like that).
Or characters who are machines and their minds are just a bunch of algorithms, they're still technically minds, but they're completely different from standard mind control. Therefore the person with mind hax needs feats of effecting machines with their mind hax.
Hell, it's the reason why Samurai in Samurai 8 have soul resistance. Their souls are completely different from something like a bleach soul.
Same reason why the slime peeps argue you can't mind hax their characters without soul manipulation because their minds are their souls (Or reside inside of them or something like that).
Or characters who are machines and their minds are just a bunch of algorithms, they're still technically minds, but they're completely different from standard mind control. Therefore the person with mind hax needs feats of effecting machines with their mind hax.
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Don't know about Samurai 8 so can't comment on that but I've never seen this brought up, nor is it mentioned on the Soul Manipulation page or anywhere else. As I said earlier, the way souls function across fictional universes varies quite a lot, if we only allowed it to affect verses with similar soul functions then you might aswell just restrict soul based abilities to their respective verse which is not only unfair but also illogical since the same argument could be made to restrict a lot of abilities like that.YungManzi said:
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No. You're missing the point.
I'm not saying that the souls have to be exactly the same in order for equalization to happen. Please re-read my mind hax analogy. That obviously wasn't what I was getting at.
Larger Issue: Why the hell should you be able to soul manip someone who's soul is nowhere near equivalent to your verse's soul?
Like in a verse where souls are just someone's consciousness/thoughts and are basically synonymous with their minds.
I'm not saying that the souls have to be exactly the same in order for equalization to happen. Please re-read my mind hax analogy. That obviously wasn't what I was getting at.
Larger Issue: Why the hell should you be able to soul manip someone who's soul is nowhere near equivalent to your verse's soul?
Like in a verse where souls are just someone's consciousness/thoughts and are basically synonymous with their minds.
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Messing with the souls in SAO is basically Quantum Manipulation, I think you're thinking too much in specifics between verses because nornally they're not all that different unless you get into specifics.
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Well, normally they're not too different.
But in some cases they are, and we have to account for those cases.
Just like we account for characters not having souls, we also have to account for characters' souls being nowhere near traditional; like the aforementioned Samurai 8 peeps.
But in some cases they are, and we have to account for those cases.
Just like we account for characters not having souls, we also have to account for characters' souls being nowhere near traditional; like the aforementioned Samurai 8 peeps.
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I never said you said that... Infact I literally said "similar", not exact. Calm down and carefully read what I'm writing.YungManzi said:
Can you link me to an official thread that actually states if souls function in different ways then they're automatically immune to soul based attacks? It's ludicrous and where do you draw the line in terms of difference.
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"As I said earlier, the way souls function across fictional universes varies quite a lot, if we only allowed it to affect verses with similar soul functions then you might aswell just restrict soul based abilities to their respective verse which is not only unfair but also illogical since the same argument could be made to restrict a lot of abilities like that."
Since you want to focus on one word I said, I'll re quote myself and change it for you.
"I'm not saying that the souls have to be similar in order for equalization to happen."
Kek. But really they do. The basic requirement for equalizing two abilities is for them to be semi-similar. Completely different powers aren't equalized.
The reason why Haki is not equal to chakra.
Since you want to focus on one word I said, I'll re quote myself and change it for you.
"I'm not saying that the souls have to be similar in order for equalization to happen."
Kek. But really they do. The basic requirement for equalizing two abilities is for them to be semi-similar. Completely different powers aren't equalized.
The reason why Haki is not equal to chakra.
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I didn't know Kirito was the only character with unconventional reistences. ƒñö YungMazi has been been giving examples of other series anyways, lol.
if there's not a rule I can't possibly be correct? What kind of logic is that? That's brings as much value to the conversation as me saying that there's not a rule about equalization of souls you can't debate like that for it. AKA, nothing.
@YungManziEven then the only thing she would lose resistance to is Mind Manipulation and her mind is in another dimension
if there's not a rule I can't possibly be correct? What kind of logic is that? That's brings as much value to the conversation as me saying that there's not a rule about equalization of souls you can't debate like that for it. AKA, nothing.
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That's not what I said though is it? Poor strawman honestly, I've seen much better. We generally use things that are officially accepted here to debate and not our opinions, but that isn't to say your opinion can't be right, but as an example, I can't just go into a debate claiming Goku is 11D and tier 1 because that goes against his profile and what is accepted.TheMonsterOfTheAbyss said:
PhantomØ4
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Wording was much better this time. I understand what you are attempting to convey better now, perhaps I won't strawman this time.
This is a case by case thing, there is nothing that is "accepted" as a rule written somewhere as you want here for either side of our argument as far as I am aware. Unlike with your analogy which makes use of something set in stone by the community and someone trying to use their idea which contradicts it in a vs thread so, false analogy. I can't say if I've seen better or not, I don't tend to mind fallacies much beyond knowing they're incorrect.
This is a case by case thing, there is nothing that is "accepted" as a rule written somewhere as you want here for either side of our argument as far as I am aware. Unlike with your analogy which makes use of something set in stone by the community and someone trying to use their idea which contradicts it in a vs thread so, false analogy. I can't say if I've seen better or not, I don't tend to mind fallacies much beyond knowing they're incorrect.
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