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Kirby Anime Speed

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Why does the show being made for kids matter? If it's plasma, then it moves at plasma speed, the target demographic means literally nothing.

Yeah, there's a transition but I highly doubt it took an extremely long time to happen since it's still the same time of day in the last shot we see Dreamland.

It could just be a perspective thing. If the sun was really full sized in all those shots then the pan would be practically invisible, so they shrunk it to make the scene easier to understand. That doesn't mean that it's always that small.

You are also using TV Tropes to disprove everything without taking into account if its actually valid to say so.

And finally, the Warp Star is a sacred piece of Star Warrior flight technology, so it should be at least comparable to some of the other FTL stuff in the series.
 
To quote some dude in that Bill vs Asriel thread, "using fallacies isn't against the rules". Even then if someone acts like that in a court or any serious process of debate an authority would just kick the person out, if we seriously lack that level of competence then we may as well be purposely sacrificing anyone's time on leading with this.
 
1) How does the target demographic not mean anything? It can't be that, then, objects like rolling boulders , which he struggles to outrun, are MHS too.

2) See point 4.

3) Assumption; the other possibility is more likely to be the case, as one of the shots in every scene has the sun being depicted much bigger than the screen and with its curvature clearly shown.

4) Kirby is the typical fantasy franchise, space-themed franchise and children-oriented franchise, so the simplest and most likely possibility is the case... Occam's razor, no?

5) Same technology doesn't mean same speed, not to mention that the Starship and Halberd actually use hyperdrive in their scenes.
 
1. That happens in literally every franchise, characters struggling to outrun things slower than they are. It doesn't disprove higher events.

2. Transitions don't have to have super massive changes in time. There are several transitions in fiction that are only a few seconds long, and given how there isn't a massive change in time of day shown, this seems to be one of those.

3. We don't even see the whole sun so you can't just automatically assume it's small based on the tiny bit of curvature we see.

4. No, this isn't Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor is assuming that it's a normal star at a normal distance from Dreamland because that's how it is in real life. You saying the star is small because of cursory evidence is not Occam's Razor.
 
1) The argument was used to say that the rolling boulder would've to be MHS if the plasma were -like real ones-, not to say that the rolling boulder scene is automatically more canon than the plasma one.

2) Again, point 4.

3) The sun not appearing whole is precisely how it's clear that it wasn't shrunk to fit in the screen, and the small curvature gives a reference for its circunference.

4) Occam's razor was used to say that the "Conveniently Close Planet" trope does apply to the franchise, not to say that the sun is small.
 
At this point it seems like you're just spewing random shit, and I'm kinda tired of this.

Its like arguing with a brick wall with headphones, I swear...
 
No, it's just you're saying real weird stuff and assumptions to counter it like assuming stars are small based on camera angles, or stuff about MHS boulders which doesn't apply to Kirby because that's running speed and not reaction speed, etc.
 
The claim about the sun's size was based on the camera's distance from it, not the camera's angle.

The boulder was compared to the plasma (because of their movement speeds), not to Kirby directly.
 
So…

1) How does the target market not mean anything? It can't be that, then, rolling boulders,…

… which he struggles to outrun (because the boulder is comparable to the slow plasma, not because the plasma is MHS and the boulder scene is more cano ), are MHS too.

3) The sun not appearing whole and having its curvature shown means that it wasn't shrunk to fit in the scree, so that's its actual size.

2 and 4) Kirby is the typical fantasy, space-themed and children-oriented franchise,…

… so the simplest and most likely possibility is the case (the "Conveniently Close Planet" trope, not the sun being small due to cursory (?) evidence)… Occam's razor, no?
 
1. What does "more canon" even mean?

It's literally the same canon.

There's already HHS stuff in the series, why aren't you saying anything about HHS boulders?

Because it doesn't support your argument.

2/4. Kirby is not a typical franchise in any respect. There is no such thing as a "typical" children's franchise, and it really doesn't even focus on the space-themed aspect. So, no, this argument doesn't work.

And 3. Again, even if the sun is smaller than a normal sun it would still require speeds greater than HHS to fly to it in less than a minute. It's still a star.

Can you just actually listen for like 5 minutes.
 
1) Both scenes are canon, so here this is: Realistic plasma and unrealistic boulder vs. Realistic boulder and unrealistic plasma… Which one wins?

a. The former's problem isn't only the target market; older people also are unaware of how fast plasma scientifically is, maybe even the writers at least at the time.

b. It's also a matter of quantity… River current + Boulder (for now) > Plasma

2 and 4) Kirby features a pink puffball who inhales and copies, and a few other particularities, but shares similarities with other franchises that make them belong to certain categories.

3) That's where the trope comes, especially with the time frame in space being comparable to that in the atmosphere, in both scenes.
 
OMFG this is so tedious.

You're just spewing the same shit over and over without any justification.
 
This is actually ridiculous. I also love how he specifically targets Kirby for this when literally every franchise from Dragon Ball to Mario to DC Comics has those "inconsistencies", if you can even call it that.

Darkseid got beat up by thugs. Clearly his cosmic feats must be bunk because of that. Sonic can die from spikes and falls and slow moving bullets. Clearly he's not High 6-A.
 
That comment assumes the series is full of moments with MHS things, but it's actually the opposite. I've already mentioned a rolling boulder and a river current; and in the latter case, Dedede's jeep-tank runs at a similar speed, which scales to multiple moments when Kirby struggles to outrun it. The list goes on. So, even if the plasma weren't as slow as them, that'd be really an outlier.
 
That is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

That means that literally every feat faster than rolling boulders or river currents is an outlier, so let's just nerf Kirby to Superhuman speed right?

No.
 
Cloud is constantly moving at normal human speeds. Outpaced by a motorcycle. Nearly died to a giant snake. The FTL and tier 4 feats? Pssh, clearly an outlier. Common sense is for suckers anyway.
 
JJSliderman said:
That is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
That means that literally every feat faster than rolling boulders or river currents is an outlier, so let's just nerf Kirby to Superhuman speed right?

No.
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It's not so dumb if the entire series is watched and it's undestood that most of its speed moments are those with boulders, river currents, jeeps, human-like Cappies, sheep, etc. So, the plasma must be as slow as them.

Maybe this isn't the case in DC Comics or Final Fantasy, I'll trust you.
 
I agree with Cal that we have to use the same standards of using the higher feats here as we do for other franchises, as long as they are not complete outliers compared to everything else.

Anyway, @Cal, what are the conclusions here, and would it be best with additional staff input?
 
Yeah, it could use additional staff input, mostly for calc'ing the sun feats. It's legitimate from what I remember if the anime though.
 
Okay. Feel free to ask some other staff members to comment here then, especially ones that know about Kirby.
 
Well, the only staff member there already commented on this and told me to go to the Calc Evaluation thread.
 
Do you have a calculation blog post that needs to be evaluated, or do you require a feat to be calculated in the first place?
 
Mainly the latter.

Mostly for the plasma feat, and finding the distance of the sun from Popstar.
 
Please elaborate regarding what you wish to do.
 
I was thinking that someone able to calc those feats could see the thread without knowing that the calcs were already made, or that someone able to evaluate them could also see the thread without knowing the same.
 
@Eficiente

Okay.

@All

In any case, if anything is going to happen here you need somebody to calculate the relevant speed feats.
 
Isn't that what that link a couple comments above is for? All the relevant speed feats are there
 
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