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King vs Oden
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Look, if I explained my grievances with the current scaling it would take like an hour. I feel there is a crap ton of extremely wonky and inconsistent moments with the current top tiers, so to not derail this thread I’ll message you on your wall later and talk about it then. For now, I got to go take care of my grandma.
So have a good night everyone (or day, time zones are a thing).
So have a good night everyone (or day, time zones are a thing).
DaMonkeMan
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Lol, alright.
Best wishes for you and your grandma.
Best wishes for you and your grandma.
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Rest is good though. The results don't really change.
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You still vote for Oden, then?
WrongIdea21
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I don't see anyfeats for Oden to have Battle IQ like Zoro to analyze King's Lunarian mechanism, I'll vote King for better speed and his flame can burn Oden.
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King also has a mobility advantage.
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Do you vote for King?
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I can't believe it, but I do.
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Oden wins via better strength, speed and skill with Haki + Enma would give him the win over King which hes more skilled than even Zoro with it plus Oden resisted Kaido's Bolo Breath so he has heat resistance to King's flames. Voting Oden
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1. King is equal to his speed in base and has plenty of speed amps.
2. Enma won't hurt flame-on King.
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Oden got boiled to death by boiling water.
His heat resistance ******* sucks, he isn't resisting the heat of King's magma fire nor is he reacting to King's amps which allowed him to blitz Zoro who scales to an even stronger and faster Kaidou than Oden does, with Kenbunshoku Haki and 2 layers of Analytical Prediction from Goken.
Before anyone wants to say some dumb shit like "B-but Oden hurt Kaidou!" that was when he was likely much weaker and vastly less experienced than the Kaidou Zoro fought.
Zoro fought a Super Hybrid Kaidou / Hybrid Kaidou which is stronger and faster than Kaidou’s base form and his Full Zoan form. King was tanking attacks from Zoro with using his flame on attacks, and his heat feat scales much, much above the level of boiling water.
King is turning him into ashes. Boiling water doesn't come close to the shit that King is capable of with his fire.
His heat resistance ******* sucks, he isn't resisting the heat of King's magma fire nor is he reacting to King's amps which allowed him to blitz Zoro who scales to an even stronger and faster Kaidou than Oden does, with Kenbunshoku Haki and 2 layers of Analytical Prediction from Goken.
Before anyone wants to say some dumb shit like "B-but Oden hurt Kaidou!" that was when he was likely much weaker and vastly less experienced than the Kaidou Zoro fought.
Zoro fought a Super Hybrid Kaidou / Hybrid Kaidou which is stronger and faster than Kaidou’s base form and his Full Zoan form. King was tanking attacks from Zoro with using his flame on attacks, and his heat feat scales much, much above the level of boiling water.
King is turning him into ashes. Boiling water doesn't come close to the shit that King is capable of with his fire.
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King kept up with Zoro who ***** on Oden in skill.
Mihawk >>>>> Zoro >>>> Oden in terms of swordsmanship.
DaMonkeMan
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Hmm.. I wouldn't go this far but he is more skilled.
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1. Jesus, you just burned Oden more than the boiling water did.
2. Also, King's explosions one-shot Oden, his Imperial Pride Stake is even stronger than that, and his Omori Karyudon is even above that.
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Doesnt change my mind. Still voting Oden
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Not close. Oden is on Kaido's Top 5 giving him PTSD.
Also nobody mentioned boling water here. Oden resisted Bolo Breath which no one can prove King flames are hotter than Kaido's Bolo Breath. Yeah Oden slams
DaMonkeMan
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Zoro: Got hit by about 70% of Hakai, used Asura, and got hit by Thunder Bagua, all of which were needed to put him in a spliff.
He heals, goes to fight King, and nearly gets ****** by King's explosion which I will dub " Jackpot ".
Point is, Zoro would have been seriously wounded by Jackpot while he could take a Thunder Bagua right after taking Hakai and stay conscious.
Oden: Went night night from a sneak attack by a weaker version of Kaidou.
I really wonder who wins here.
He heals, goes to fight King, and nearly gets ****** by King's explosion which I will dub " Jackpot ".
Point is, Zoro would have been seriously wounded by Jackpot while he could take a Thunder Bagua right after taking Hakai and stay conscious.
Oden: Went night night from a sneak attack by a weaker version of Kaidou.
I really wonder who wins here.
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Even though King can outspeed Oden and Oden literally cannot hurt him?
Imperial Deep Pride Stake > FTE > Zoro's Reaction Speed ~ King's Reaction Speed & Flame Off Zoan King > Flame Off Base King > FTE > 1035 Zoro's Combat Speed ~ Zoan King > Base King ~ Post-rooftop Zoro ~ Big Mom/Base Kaido = Oden
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I would love if King's explosion was called "Jackpot".
DaMonkeMan
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I think that's the name of it from a TCB translation or something.
Better than him just saying " Ooh, a direct hit... "
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Y'all act like King is way faster when Zoro himself mentions King flame off is a lil bit faster. King with flame off would leave himself vulnerable to attacks and Oden would land an attack on him and finish him with Togen Totsuka. We see Zoro being slower as u say than Imperial Deep Pride stake and still dodges. Oden isnt that much slower even by the scaling u noted here. Narratively, and via better statements and feats Oden beats up King. The guy who took a Kamusari head on and got back up with minor injuries went on to fight Roger back then WB interfered. Unless u wanna say King's AP > Rogers AP
DaMonkeMan
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One: Roger wasn't even trying to seriously hurt Oden when he used Kamusari, he just wanted to fight anyone he saw fit. Even still, Oden got launched by it and bled from the mouth a little.
Two: King literally went so fast that he couldn't be seen by Zoro, wth do you mean he's just " a lil bit faster. "?
Three: No the hell Oden wouldn't finish him with Togen Totsuka. King got popped by an Advanced Armament + ACoC attack and was still able to use his strongest attack despite it. Oden isn't gonna finish him and there's nothing that even suggests he'll need to turn his flame off since he didn't seem to ever do it against Marco.
Two: King literally went so fast that he couldn't be seen by Zoro, wth do you mean he's just " a lil bit faster. "?
Three: No the hell Oden wouldn't finish him with Togen Totsuka. King got popped by an Advanced Armament + ACoC attack and was still able to use his strongest attack despite it. Oden isn't gonna finish him and there's nothing that even suggests he'll need to turn his flame off since he didn't seem to ever do it against Marco.
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Zoro can be burned by King's Flames, right? I doubt Oden's resistance is greater than his.
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Being faster than eye isn't even an impressive feat at all. OP verse is FTL in reaction speed like Luffy, Zoro and u wanna say King whos "FTE" is impressive? Not at all. + Zoro was fatigued already nothing proves Zoro was fully healed in the fight since he had broken brones which would decrease his mobility and movements in the fight. Oden wins this and i still vote for him nonetheless for the reasons above. Count my vote for him
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Oden resisted Bolo Breath. Nothing proves Kings flames are hotter than Kaido's flames
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Oden uses Buso to defend himself. A simple explosion wont kill Oden. An explosion didnt even kill Pell
DaMonkeMan
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Tad disrespectful to compare a random bomb to King's explosion which nearly killed Zoro.
DaMonkeMan
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What do you think Zoro took the Mink Meds for if they didn't at least somewhat heal his broken bones?
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Hybrid, or Full Yield?
City busting bomb = Surface wiping magic attackOden uses Buso to defend himself. A simple explosion wont kill Oden. An explosion didnt even kill Pell
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Even then. Oden defends with Buso. Oden isnt losing from King. Aerial Mobility, And Ranged attacks wont help King completely outclass Oden at all. What makes u think King's attack would kill Oden and beat him while Oden was resisting Bolo Breath which is a High 6-A attack? And also portrayal and narrative simply puts Oden above King by being the only guy who was said to take down Kaido in Wano but failed bc of the old hag interference. If he beat Kaido as the scenario says. He would beat King too simple and square. Idk how you guys King see beating Oden at all. I consider myself this a missmatch but k it is what it is. You find a stomp match Zoro vs Big Mom but wont find a stomp match King vs Oden which Kaido put Oden at his Top 5 and always got PTSD even in his prime from Oden's Haki while he never had BM im his Top 5. But ok
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Full Yield in their fight when he was in his Dragon Form
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Scans?
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Oden doesn't have advanced Buso.
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And he doesn't have Zoro's buso potency layers, either
