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Reinhard van Astrea vs King the Wildfire

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Reinhard van Astrea vs King the Wildfire
Speed Unequal
Location: West Village, Elbaph (each of these buildings are several hundred meters tall)
Starting Distance: 50 Meters

King:
188.362 Exatons AP and durability, 3.014 Zettatons durability with Flames On in Zoan forms
3.349c, higher in Zoan Form, even higher with Flames Off

Reinhard:
27 Exatons AP, 270 Exatons AP with Dragon Sword Reid
1.1c combat speed, higher reaction speed, far higher perception speed

Reinhard:
King:
Incon:
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Something something 20 kilometer range conceptual type 2 law manipulation existence erasure sword slash that can erase body, soul, and mind simultaneously.
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The scan linked in his profile doesn't imply that it negates durability (like Hakai from Dragon Ball). Just that its destruction is down to the soul + mind, and that it leaves no trace. For it to actually erase something wouldn't it need sufficient AP to destroy it in the first place?
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
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The 80% thing aint the problem, King's Haki has layered resistance neg so this shouldnt be an issue

im talm bout the celsius

thermometer

hot sunny day or 28,000C?


(im just tryna make a case for the man just charcoaling Reinhard before he get's demolished by a funny sword with playground hax)
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
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"Extreme Temperatures (His Divine Protection of Sunburn makes him unable to be burned whatsoever.[1] His jump back from the Moon generated enough heat to vaporize the water and ice where he landed,[88] users of the Flow Method can resist the effects of extreme cold[89] and extreme heat[62])"
Also this.
 
AThe1412 said:
"Extreme Temperatures (His Divine Protection of Sunburn makes him unable to be burned whatsoever.[1] His jump back from the Moon generated enough heat to vaporize the water and ice where he landed,[88] users of the Flow Method can resist the effects of extreme cold[89] and extreme heat[62])"
Also this.
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King's fire scales to much higher temps than that.
 
This is an odd match up but King's profile does not encapsulate him as well as Reinhard, so those versed with knowledge in One Piece what advantage does he have over Reinhard and what advantage does Reinhard have over him?
 
Crimsonobu said:
This is an odd match up but King's profile does not encapsulate him as well as Reinhard, so those versed with knowledge in One Piece what advantage does he have over Reinhard and what advantage does Reinhard have over him?
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King is part of a race called the Lunarians. They have flames on their back (which can be see in the image used for King in the OP) that indicate his extremely high durability. When he's in that state, it's unlikely that Reinhard would be able to damage him at all unless he uses hax. King usually drops those flames whenever he feels that his durability is threatened, and doing so increases his speed by a significant amount, although it lowers his durability to where he can be harmed (King is still a Zoan fruit user with very high levels of endurance and regeneration)

King can also transform into his Zoan state, where his durability with his flames on reaches 3.014 Zettatons and he becomes much faster and stronger. When he drops his flames his durability becomes lower, but still very high. His speed increases further.

King has very strong Armament Haki, which has resistance negation, and King's flames are hot enough to burn and nearly one-shot characters who can tank 30,000º heat. Reinhard if hit would be in trouble.
 
Crimsonobu said:
It says unable to be burned so no matter how high the temperature is does that matter? The other one also says neutralises fire damage.
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The scan in Reinhard's profile doesn't say "no matter how high the temperature," that's NLF. King's heat is beyond what its shown capable of withstanding, but regardless Haki has resistance negation so the Divine Protection wouldn't be in effect here.
 
King's primary advantages are his speed and durability, which surpass Reinhard's in both categories. Reinhard, though, has much better hax and immortality, which King can't bypass. King can slice at Reinhard as many times as he wants; he is not going to bypass Low Godly regen. Meanwhile, Reinhard lacks the speed needed to hit King, but his EE is a bypass to this if he does manage to get King into its range.

I'm going to vote incon on this, but I lean towards Reinhard.
 
Kachon123 said:
The scan in Reinhard's profile doesn't say "no matter how high the temperature," that's NLF. King's heat is beyond what its shown capable of withstanding, but regardless Haki has resistance negation so the Divine Protection wouldn't be in effect here.
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I see. I do have some oppositions to this but I also wanted to know what stopping Reinhard from just Immortality spamming (I don’t think it'd get to that but just wanted to know) since even King would be troubled fighting an opponent who can infinitely revive and regain his stamina back. Do I presume he doesn't have it here?
 
Kachon123 said:
The scan linked in his profile doesn't imply that it negates durability (like Hakai from Dragon Ball). Just that its destruction is down to the soul + mind, and that it leaves no trace. For it to actually erase something wouldn't it need sufficient AP to destroy it in the first place?
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its dura neg in every possible way 😭
Gamecooob said:
The 80% thing aint the problem, King's Haki has layered resistance neg so this shouldnt be an issue

im talm bout the celsius

thermometer

hot sunny day or 28,000C?


(im just tryna make a case for the man just charcoaling Reinhard before he get's demolished by a funny sword with playground hax)
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he had his basic 80% fire res, when that wasnt enough he got a new one and then when that wasnt enough he got another one to control the ******* flames of his enemies (they dropped a star on his ass 🍞)
His resistance is atleast more than Cecilus's who fought a women who just by existing vaporized everything within her vicinity (houses, buildings, roads etc)
Even if he didnt already have resistance on kings level he would get one if he so needed to (like fr Od Laguna made that really clear), although...his blessing is more like heat negation entirely.
Kachon123 said:
The scan in Reinhard's profile doesn't say "no matter how high the temperature," that's NLF. King's heat is beyond what its shown capable of withstanding, but regardless Haki has resistance negation so the Divine Protection wouldn't be in effect here.
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it WOULD be if it wasnt Reinhard

  • Divine Protection of Sunburn: Makes him unable to receive any burns whatsoever.
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Pepsiman25th said:
King's primary advantages are his speed and durability, which surpass Reinhard's in both categories. Reinhard, though, has much better hax and immortality, which King can't bypass. King can slice at Reinhard as many times as he wants; he is not going to bypass Low Godly regen.
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Reinhard doesnt have low godly regen, he has low godly resurrection
Pepsiman25th said:
Meanwhile, Reinhard lacks the speed needed to hit King, but his EE is a bypass to this if he does manage to get King into its range.
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The range for his EE slash is 10000 kilometers 😭
Pepsiman25th said:
I'm going to vote incon on this, but I lean towards Reinhard.
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sure..

Kachon123 said:
King is part of a race called the Lunarians. They have flames on their back (which can be see in the image used for King in the OP) that indicate his extremely high durability. When he's in that state, it's unlikely that Reinhard would be able to damage him at all unless he uses hax. King usually drops those flames whenever he feels that his durability is threatened, and doing so increases his speed by a significant amount, although it lowers his durability to where he can be harmed (King is still a Zoan fruit user with very high levels of endurance and regeneration)

King can also transform into his Zoan state, where his durability with his flames on reaches 3.014 Zettatons and he becomes much faster and stronger. When he drops his flames his durability becomes lower, but still very high. His speed increases further.

King has very strong Armament Haki, which has resistance negation, and King's flames are hot enough to burn and nearly one-shot characters who can tank 30,000º heat. Reinhard if hit would be in trouble.
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I still dont see how he will survive a cm type 2 based existence erasure slash that absolutely obliterates him 💔

MrTayman616 said:
Can he even kill Reinhard? He'll come back as long as his soul isn't destroyed.
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dont think so


anyways Reinhard fra
 
I still don't see a reason why King would be able to fight Reinhard who can resurrect endlessly and can fight Satella for as long as he wants. If we go with the argument King turns him into charcoal Reinhard can recreate his body like 99999 times and his stamina is enough to fight someone endlessly. It would be an inevitable loss for King either way.
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
he had his basic 80% fire res, when that wasnt enough he got a new one and then when that wasnt enough he got another one to control the ******* flames of his enemies (they dropped a star on his ass 🍞)
His resistance is atleast more than Cecilus's who fought a women who just by existing vaporized everything within her vicinity (houses, buildings, roads etc)
Even if he didnt already have resistance on kings level he would get one if he so needed to (like fr Od Laguna made that really clear), although...his blessing is more like heat negation entirely.
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ya got proof that he can get a resistance of 5 layers... and a heat that vastly upscales from 30,000C?
 
Kachon123 said:
Could you elaborate
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so normally all of his attacks have spatial manipulation so they are dura neg, when he gets a sword he can launch a EE blast which destroys the world as well but no sword is strong enough for him to use fully aside from the Dragon Sword Reid, which allows him to nuke 10k kms with a cm type 2 EE blast, this erases the mind, body and soul of the target. King does not have resistance on that level so he did be erased
Kachon123 said:
Layered resistance negation.
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read the blessings properly, he has fire resistance, fire negation and burn immunity

Even if you argue that resistance negation could take care of fire res and burn immunity, it still couldnt do anything about fire negation since thats not a resistance.

Unrelated and not that useful since Reinhard wouldnt get burnt here, but even if it could somehow manage to burn him, he would get a better blessing which would be enough to stop that level of fire manip. The reason is that Od Laguna has clearly upgraded his fire res blessings again and again

Reinhard's main heat feats that i could think of:
  • Withstanding re-entry,
  • Unaffected by an inferno that glassed part of the sand sea,
  • Unburned by dragonbreath which can melt cities in an instant,
  • Fire Avoidance, Fireplay, Sunburn,
  • Scaling above Ceci (Arakiya passive heat)
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
so normally all of his attacks have spatial manipulation so they are dura neg, when he gets a sword he can launch a EE blast which destroys the world as well but no sword is strong enough for him to use fully aside from the Dragon Sword Reid, which allows him to nuke 10k kms with a cm type 2 EE blast, this erases the mind, body and soul of the target. King does not have resistance on that level so he did be erased
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Okay but King already resists spatial dura neg. I'm asking if the EE itself is dura neg like Hakai from Dragon Ball (and proof) or if it just erase whatever it can destroy to a spiritual level?
SatellaTheWoE said:
read the blessings properly, he has fire resistance, fire negation and burn immunity

Even if you argue that resistance negation could take care of fire res and burn immunity, it still couldnt do anything about fire negation since thats not a resistance.
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The blessing can be overwhelmed by more intense flames, so who's to say that King's flames wouldn't overpower it?
SatellaTheWoE said:
Unrelated and not that useful since Reinhard wouldnt get burnt here, but even if it could somehow manage to burn him, he would get a better blessing which would be enough
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That's where Haki's layered resistance negation comes in.
 
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