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You're the one who puts Shiki above Roger and put Post God Valley Incident Garp above Roger.
He literally didn't. Shanks and his crew only stopped Kaido and King. They never fought.
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King vs Oden
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"Commander level" doesn't mean anything. Katakuri was "commander level", Jack was "commander level", so is Benn Beckman.
Nah, the fact Roger wasn't going all out is kind of the default statement, since there's no proof to the positive.
To make the fight fun.
I mean, he Karate Kidded him through like a quarter mile of trees.
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Shiki >= Roger, since his fleet was crushing Roger's until he got a steering wheel in his brain holes.You're the one who puts Shiki above Roger and put Post God Valley Incident Garp above Roger.
I mean, how else would they stop them?
There's no proof Shiki was in his prime back then.
I mean, you're like "Hell yeah, Oden went to hell and killed everyone in there, he can never lose!"
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They're below the admirals and Yonkos.
Except that you're the one who came with the "Roger wasn't going all out" so you're the one who started making headcanons.
Ig.
Kaido oneshotted Luffy and after 2 weeks of training, Luffy was able to fight him evenly.
Roger hit Oden with a haki imbued, named attack, and Oden immediately got back up with minor injuries. A year later, Oden returned to Wano many times stronger, invincible, and was compared to Roger and Whitebeard.
Big deal.
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Wasn't Roger sick at that point?
We don't know. But the fact that Kaido said that he doesn't remember the last time someone was able to go toe to toe with him indicates that there ain't no way he fought Shanks back then. Also, Shanks appeared in Marineford without any injuries.
When is "back then"?
I was never like that.
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Benn Beckman, Marco, King,
"Wasn't" implies it isn't the positive claim.
Being compared to someone doesn't make you equal. I mean, this still doesn't mean he can break that sweet, sweet fire.
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Less than he was when he fought Whitebeard.
Shanks is just that guy.
God Valley
Well, you acting like he's some kinda Pirate King.
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Ben: Maybe.
Marco: Yes.
King: No.
Alright but you came with the claim to begin with, so I don't understand what your point is.
Being compared to someone, being said to be "just like them", and being put on the same caliber as them, means exactly just that.
If YOU say so.
Because if he can't, nobody can.
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Still sick.
Shanks is that guy, but he didn't fight Kaido.
We don't know how old Shiki is.
Not me, the story.
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Kizaru was afraid of him.
You said he was Roger-tier first.
"Just like" doesn't mean that, no.
Guys who have anti-fire techniques can. Akainu, Kinemon, Zoro, Ace, Sabo, etc.
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Shiki >= Whitebeard.
All right, but remember, he was gonna fight Sickbeard's crew anyway.
Exactly.
He ain't that guy.
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Kizaru was trolling. He acted scared and then continued attacking Law's submarine while Ben was watching him, doing nothing to stop him.
The story said that too.
It does mean that.
So no top tier, right?
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I mean, anyone with Duraneg, too.
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Based on what?
And?
If he's as old as Whitebeard or older, then he was 100% in his prime back then.
Cope.
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I've been polite, but the moment someone who isn't a little goofball comes in, they gonna say some devastating stuff.Based on what?
And?
If he's as old as Whitebeard or older, then he was 100% in his prime back then.
Cope.
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To be fair, current Kaidou could wreck Oden's shit, he didn't even use his drunken dragon stuff against him the first time they fought. And did he use the hybrid form?
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Roger wasn't even trying to kill Oden with that, and all Oden did was beat a weaker version of Kaidou.
That doesn't compare to Zoro and Luffy wounding Kaidou and failing to do anything to King.
King > Oden.
Dude tanked and countered:
Multiple attacks from Zoro
Multiple attacks from Marco
A DJ from Sanji ( through the Seraphim which should have his level of durability somewhat )
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You cant say someone is in their prime bc only based of age. Prime is when someone is in his strongest version. Not based of age
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Stop right there
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Btw y'all should stop underestimating Oden like that and overestimate King's powers so much. Blud was dumb to go flame off while he could have outlasted Zoro if he stayed in his Flame on mode like the Seraphim are doing rn vs Luffy & Lucci and etc. Imo it was a dumb option to turn his flames off instead of staying in his flame on mode to just outlast Zoro and beat him via better stamina but hey we all know this hapoened for plot reasons since it is a shounen and Zoro should have won either way
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I've always disagreed with the notion that King turned his flames off at the end because he suddenly became dumb. King himself knew that Zoro was dangerous to him whether his flames were on or off, which was why he responded to Zoro's taunt about him being afraid of what he can do by turning his flames off to increase speed and put some space between them. The panel of Zoro overwhelming King and King actively blocking him literally exists to show that his AP had grown to the point that it was a threat to King even while he was in Defense mode, so people still saying Zoro would've never beaten him if King had just kept his flames on and stalled is real funny to me. There's also the panel of Flame-On King dodging Zoro's KOH Purgatory Onigiri instead of trying to tank it.Stop right there
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Btw y'all should stop underestimating Oden like that and overestimate King's powers so much. Blud was dumb to go flame off while he could have outlasted Zoro if he stayed in his Flame on mode like the Seraphim are doing rn vs Luffy & Lucci and etc. Imo it was a dumb option to turn his flames off instead of staying in his flame on mode to just outlast Zoro and beat him via better stamina but hey we all know this hapoened for plot reasons since it is a shounen and Zoro should have won either way
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Zoro can cut flames, Oden can't.Stop right there
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Btw y'all should stop underestimating Oden like that and overestimate King's powers so much. Blud was dumb to go flame off while he could have outlasted Zoro if he stayed in his Flame on mode like the Seraphim are doing rn vs Luffy & Lucci and etc. Imo it was a dumb option to turn his flames off
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And Oden hasn't shown the intelligence Zoro used to exploit King's weakness.
And KoH style Zoro's AP > Enma 100% Unleashed Zoro's AP = Oden w/ Buso's AP
Before Zoro cut King a second time, he didn't think an unleashed Enma would cut flame-on King.
And King has his Explosion and Imperial Pride Stake.
And KoH style Zoro's AP > Enma 100% Unleashed Zoro's AP = Oden w/ Buso's AP
Before Zoro cut King a second time, he didn't think an unleashed Enma would cut flame-on King.
And King has his Explosion and Imperial Pride Stake.
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Wait, if Oden could kill Kaidou, how would threatening civillians even work. Like, who's gonna kill them, Orochi? His crew? Who's going back and giving them the order to?
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I mean, he could probably kill a few hundred civilians before Oden cut him down, and Oden killing Kaido wasn't a guarantee, Kaido just made himself a massive target.
If he'd had his Hybrid form back then which has all his Zoan power but none of the size, Oden would've had a much smaller chance of scarring him.
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Wait where was King shown fearing Zoro could damage his Flame On mode?
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When Zoro was pushing him back and Zoro taunted him by pointing out that King was opting to block his attacks rather than tank them.
But what's weird is that earlier, when King dodged a KoH attack, Zoro said "His flame is on, no point in trying to hurt him".
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Well he would have to try very hard to cut through King's back-flames and then hit King before he reactivated them or King struck him first.
More like they contradict each other.
We can wait to see what Zoro does against S-Hawk.
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Ye so Zoro couldnt damage Flame On King thats just hypothetical
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Like Eseseso mentioned, it's during the "why are you blocking now" scene with Zoro and then he blatantly decides to put some space between the two of them.
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Zoro was talking shit. He literally said in his internal monologue that he can't harm Flame On King.
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No, it's just that he wasn't certain he could harm him, but King him self believed Zoro could hurt him and even jumped away from him when he used his final attack.
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It's either Zoro just didn't realize how strong his attacks had become or his AP grew to the point he could harm Flame On King after he made that comment. But that blocking scene, plus King blatantly putting space between them rather than continue confronting him in close combat heavily implies that Zoro could harm him with his flames on.
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Yes. Because flames do not matter to guys that can cut flames. Oden cannot cut flames.
