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... The f?
No he can't, since speed is equal and it would've already hit him at that point
And? Zoro still has comparable if not better combat intelligence...
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King of Hell vs The Blue Lightning of Vollachia (Roronoa Zoro vs Cecilus Segmund)
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Read it. Unless I'm missing something he targets the essence of what he attacks, not just the source.
Just gonna drop this here.
Analytical Prediction (Cecilus is constantly aware of everything in his surroundings, analyzing other's physical abilities, conduct, and sounds,[4] to always have a grasp the positions of everyone and everything nearby. He is unfathomably superior to Emilia who dodged a rain of arrows faster than her eyes could track by reading the shooters' intent[22]. Far superior to Old Wilhelm who, invisible or not, can anticipate his opponents attacks[10] by watching the movement of their eyes, feeling their hostility, reading how they breathe as they aim. At least comparable to Theresia who can predict her opponent's future attacks[23] from the stance they take, from where their eyes are trained, and from the very air that hangs above them, and can see, read, and feel paths of hostility[23] raining down upon her)
I don't see anything better in the description. If they're comparable that doesn't help.
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don't drop that.
Why wouldn't it help...? Comparable combat intelligence while having more abilities that one shots...
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CM type 3 also gives it an aditional abstract layer i believe so a normal resistance wouldnt be able to resist it as the overall potency increases
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You keep saying he has abilities that one shots but which ones are you reffering to?
Speed amp gets negated by IR
Whirlwind gets its point cut with a single sword whereas Zoro would need to do multiple to even make them
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his speed doesn't matter, because it's physically impossible to dodge shit like rain unless ur just so fast u phase thru it, which doesn't seem to have been the case
Zabazab
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I think CM3 is the same as Reality Warping in that it's merely descriptive?
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Which he can imbue into basically any slash
No it does not... It doesn't in one piece, it doesn't in vsbw and it doesn't in common sense...
Not when speed is equal and it's an aoe attack on top of him... Stop giving cecilus basically infinite speed at every situation
Zabazab
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No, reaction speed is the speed of movements, as it says on the Speed Page. Specifically short movements such as dodging. You're thinking of Perception Speed, which Cecilus also has an extreme advantage in.
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let's not forget that he got also hit by the attack
VortechsTG
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No, it wouldn't. His slashes cut in an aoe all around him.
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This reminds me, Cecilus can also cut the point of his sword
There was a time when the wiki had accepted its fate and had allowed Ram to react to attacks 65 to 135 times its speed..via skill
Ikki also could react stomp opponents 9000x his speed..via skill
For once, I think I can say this:
even without wank this feat is actually sensible
He doesn't have infinite speed, he just swings his sword once and the "point" of the whirldwind will be cut
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Also current arguments?
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How so?
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Wdym "how so?"
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The whirlwind that's created on top of him..
I don't think I will ever understand that unless the wiki is just going against reality and making it like that just because...
but still, zoro has blitzed/outpaced blitzed techniques... So he would still get blitzed even if he has higher reactions (pls someone change it because that will never make sense)
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nierre already said it but yes, the speed of the raindrops compared to the person dodging them is literally irrelevant.
the gaps between raindrops are not large enough to dodge through, they could be literally frozen mid-air and it wouldn't change a thing.
it's a bullshit feat (as i have already said), effectively """"skill""""-based danmaku resistance.
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You said Celi had a significant advantage in perception speed.Wdym "how so?"
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Yeah I still don't buy that. Unless it's a literally rainstorm then I don't agree with that being used the way it is currently, furthermore there's also things to take into account for such as the size of the storm which would effect what it could cover, was it inside or outside? Did the feat state that he weaved through all of the individual rain drops simultaneously?
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Zoro is FTL+, far higher with his amps. Although speed is equalized so there isn't really a "faster" character here unless they use amps.
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unless you're ignoring the contexts sure...
I can also use an actual bullshit skill feat with zoro and scale him to this
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That's....not even a skill feat. That's just Ryuma blitzing all three of them before they could perceive.
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Nah. He's literally cutting them so cleanly they don't notice the wounds till afterwards. It's less about speed and more so about the accuracy and smoothness of his cuts.That's....not even a skill feat. That's just Ryuma blitzing all three of them before they could perceive.
It's a technique, not a speed based ability. He makes several cuts to the enemy without them noticing and by the time he puts his swords away the wounds appear.
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it is not just a speed feat... When the sword is un sheathed, you've already been cut and you only realize it after having walked three steps or the person walking three stepsThat's....not even a skill feat. That's just Ryuma blitzing all three of them before they could perceive.
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It's a neat precision feat.it is not just a speed feat... When the sword is un sheathed, you've already been cut and you only realize it after having walked three steps or the person walking three steps
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The scan is on his profile, it uses that exact wording. As a child he's capable of fighting battles where "one would have to dodge the raindrops amidst a storm" and has stated himself he can dodge rain.
To do some napkin math:
This Britannica link says there are anywhere between 100 and 1,000 raindrops in 1 m^3. I'll take 100 just to lowball as hard as possible.
Assuming Ceci weighs the global average human weight of 62 kg (he doesn't, he's heavier and therefore larger volume-wise) and that humans are roughly 985 kg/m^3 (slightly less dense than water since we float), he's taking up a volume of 0.0629m^3.
Multiply that by 100, and at any given moment there are 6 raindrops occupying the volume where he is. Not to mention he's actively moving around and so would be running into more raindrops.
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And a feat of not being able to notice when you've been cut
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Best answer of this thread, take your like, you earn it
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Any precision or accuracy that could be derived from it would be unquantifiable at best. It's always attributed mainly as a result of its speed, in canon. An effect that is pretty much entirely limited to said technique, as none of Brooks/Ryuma's other techniques (to my knowledge) share the "delayed cutting" effect. Aside from its variations.
Regardless, Zoro doesn't go for slashes with that level of "precision" in character. So I'm not quite sure why it would be particularly relevant in this match-up.
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Also when it comes to dodging Zoro scales to Luffy who could dodge an explosion that was somehow already on him.
Aside from that he also has feats of dodging omnidirectional attacks
Second feat you linked is just him cutting apart the cloud that's producing the rain.
Aside from that he also has feats of dodging omnidirectional attacks
Yeah the only issue is how. It's never explained how he did it, I.E dodging each individual raindrops, going around it's radius, jumping over it, etc. I also dislike how it's assumed to be omnidirectional whenever it's explicitly stated it only came at him from 12 different angles.
Second feat you linked is just him cutting apart the cloud that's producing the rain.
Thanks for the Death Battle calculation, but I'm fully aware of that. Again it's never stated how he dodged it, and the size of the storm is also never stated.
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because zoro's shishi sonson matched it's unnoticeable speed and skill
zoro's shishi sonson also has been stated to be almost invisible
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This is also untrue. After unlocking Goken, Zoro always pays attention to the precision of his cuts. That's the whole basis of the ability, to cut with such precision you can cut through anything.
Again false. It's never attributed to his speed, that was never stated nor implied. As for Goken, speed is one of the factors but it isn't about "faster speed" but rather "the correct speed." Ryuma didn't get any notable speed increase from that attack, he just moreso flexed on them with a precision technique. Something that Zoro can react to and counter attack instantaneously.
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I can't even think straight currently
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The how part isnt even relevant.
Anyways, Reinhard has run through multiple kilometres in a rainstorm while being ordered not to let a single drop hit him or the letter he was carrying
Even if you aren't convinced of Cecilus being able to dodge omnidirectional attacks, the Reinhard version of the feat absolutely is able to do so
Current statements scale him to Cecilus so Cecilus also has the backing of that feat now
Also his perception amp is atleast 100x in his own words
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Going for precision cuts and going for the level of unquantifiable precision for these "delayed cuts" are two very separate things. I never said they weren't precise, I'm saying Zoro doesn't go for that particular level of effect with his slashes, in character.
Brook's slashes are routinely attributed to his absurd speed what? That's the main purpose of the technique, the fact it can cut you so fast you can't react to it in time.
Zoro cut Ryuma's Arrow Notch Slash with Dragon Blaze, which was done BEFORE said attack hit him. He didn't match the precision of his attack in that instance.
Zoros Shishi Sonon only matched Ryuma's thrusting attack iirc.
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Doing what you are suggesting would never be considered an impressive feat when talking about anyone but low tiers in the verse. Nor would it be used as a comparison for attacks coming at him from all directions like these. It's comparable to Reinhard running through the rain to deliver a letter and not getting himself or it wet at all. So, yes, it actually is very clear how it happens.
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This. Obviously this. Why would it ever mean anything else?
It wasn't raining then, the scan is him (as an adult) saying he can dodge rain.
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