Kid Goku Fate Manipulation or Blessed

[Fezzih_007]

Hello, Hello and hellohow you all doing today? I don't care at all, so anyway les't get right into it.

During Bardock and Gas fight, Monaito ask to Bardock if he have a wish on the Dragon balls of the planet cereal, and his answer is:

(the dragon balls grants wishes btw)

Which vegeta comfirms:

Because of that his sons, Goku and Raditz, are able to survive situations where they should get killed.
FIRST EXAMPLE: Escaping Vegeta Planet
Raditz joined Vegeta gang due to the wish. Because of Toronbo(the dragon that grant wishes) know Vegeta is someone who'll ignore Frieza's call, thus saving his group's lives.

And Bardock got a "feeling of death" and decides to send Kakarott away

Because of that, they are able to escape planet vegeta explosion.

SECOND EXAMPLE: The Times Goku almost died, and as able to survive

Goku is fighting Tao Paipai, and he get blasted in the stomach with a Dondopa

But the four star Dragon Ball protect him

Suspiscious don't you think?

And then agaist Picollo, Goku got hit by a charged attack from him.

And his heart STOPPED BEATING

But his heart start beating again afterwords.

And he also get in a accident with a plane crash in the snow.

But then he gets saved by a passing Sho, before dying of cold

THIRD EXAMPLE: The wish protect people, so they are able to help Goku
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So i proposing to give Fate Manipulation or Blessed to Kid Goku keys, which would grant him a form of immortality or Blessed defense to dying, till he became a adult.


Staff Agreement: Damage3245 (Agree with blessed), DarkDragonMedeus (agree with blessed), LordGriffin1000
normal users agreement: Oliver_de_jesus ,Nierre (agree with Blessed), TiltedFN, Kroneii1, StrymULTRA, LuffyRuffy46307,AwkguyDB, Muchacho_mrm(agree with blessed), Excel616(agree with blessed), Borutonarutodebunked, NaruRiasUzumaki, Greatsage13th, Braking
Total: 15
Staff Dissagreement:
normal users dissagreement:
Total:
Neutral:

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Also Raditz would get Formerly Fate hax/Blessed

I agree

 

[Fezzih_007]

Counted.

 

[Nierre]

I agree with Blessed FRA

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Is this not just speculation?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I do think explaining these incidents as Bardocks wish actually does rather fit.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Is this not just speculation?

Well still either way he'd still get something like blessed or some sort of passive fate manip.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Is this not just speculation?

Well, is not actually comfirmed but it does tie with the wish, so there's must be a connection.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Mario had Fate Manip for a similar reason, I remember it got removed because lad was captured once or something lol
Although, wouldn't this only apply to DBS Manga Kid Goku?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Tbf this would only protect Goku and Raditz from being killed, not from losing or being incapacitated until they've grown up.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

FIRST EXAMPLE: Escaping Vegeta Planet
Raditz joined Vegeta gang due to the wish. Because of Toronbo(the dragon that grant wishes) know Vegeta is someone who'll ignore Frieza's call, thus saving his group's lives.

And Bardock got a "feeling of death" and decides to send Kakarott away

Because of that, they are able to escape planet vegeta explosion.

Bardock grew suspicious of Frieza because Taro mentioned that the latter was looking into the legend of the Super Saiyan, which is expanded upon in the depiction of events in Super: Broly. This is a natural, random flow of events.

SECOND EXAMPLE: The Times Goku almost died, and as able to survive


Goku is fighting Tao Paipai, and he get blasted in the stomach with a Dondopa

But the four star Dragon Ball protect him

Suspiscious don't you think?

Goku had pocketed the Dragon Ball before Taopaipai arrived.

And then agaist Picollo, Goku got hit by a charged attack from him.

And his heart STOPPED BEATING

But his heart start beating again afterwords.

This is attributed to his Indomitable Will, which is later corroborated.

And he also get in a accident with a plane crash in the snow.

But then he gets saved by a passing Sho, before dying of cold

This is random.

THIRD EXAMPLE: The wish protect people, so they are able to help Goku

Here

Bardock receiving an explosive boost in power after embracing his emotions is thematically linked to Goku understanding how to control Ultra Instinct and utilize its power to the fullest through his own emotions and not to this supernatural blessing.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Although, wouldn't this only apply to DBS Manga Kid Goku?

Yeah, although since there's only one Manga Kid Goku, it would just apply to him.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

You can't get Fate Manip via feats, me pretty sure
All the showings in the OP are really just supporting evidence
The big part is the Bardock wish

 

[Spinoirr]

So like, when does Goku lose this?

When he is 17? 18? 19? 20?

 

[Quantu]

Can't believe I have to say this but none of the "feats" were written decades ago with the foresight of what the DBS Manga would imply, so "explanations" will likely be possible for all of the scenarios.

It should either be accepted or rejected strictly from the DBS Manga stuff.

 

[TiltedFN]

Neutral for now

 

[Damage3245]

Is this not just speculation?

Yes.

There is nothing directly connecting most of these examples to the wish. The wish which is quite vague to be honest and should not be counted as an ability here.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I dunno about that, didn't Vegeta clearly state that the only reason Goku and Raditz survived Planet Vegeta's destruction was due to the wish?

 

[TiltedFN]

I dunno about that, didn't Vegeta clearly state that the only reason Goku and Raditz survived Planet Vegeta's destruction was due to the wish?

yeah he did say that

 

[Fezzih_007]

Bardock grew suspicious of Frieza because Taro mentioned that the latter was looking into the legend of the Super Saiyan, which is expanded upon in the depiction of events in Super: Broly. This is a natural, random flow of events.

It also could be the wish reanging this events, so Bardock would grow suspicious of Freeza.

Goku had pocketed the Dragon Ball before Taopaipai arrived.

And from all the locations that the Dodonpa could hit Goku, is exactly where the Dragon Ball is situated, kinda suspicious.

This is attributed to his Indomitable Will, which is later corroborated.

The scan you send don't really stated he have a indomitable will to survive the heart stop, just the poison one, it still could be the wish protecting him.
His heart stopped, and start beating after Picollo go away, that seems super convenient.

This is random.

Kinda.

Bardock receiving an explosive boost in power after embracing his emotions is thematically linked to Goku understanding how to control Ultra Instinct and utilize its power to the fullest through his own emotions and not to this supernatural blessing.

How exactly this contradicted what i said? My argument that he gains a Zenkai with a very weird timing, after the wish as been insued, that don't really take away from the theme.
He gets a Zenkai out nowhere after the wish. And also, the rest of the imgur kinda supports the idea of Bardock surving to save Goku.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I dunno about that, didn't Vegeta clearly state that the only reason Goku and Raditz survived Planet Vegeta's destruction was due to the wish?

Yeah, he said, gonna put on the Op.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Yes.

There is nothing directly connecting most of these examples to the wish. The wish which is quite vague to be honest and should not be counted as an ability here.

It's still an ability worth indexing as atleast "blessed". No matter how useless it is in a vs match it's still worth indexing.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

So like, when does Goku lose this?

When he is 17? 18? 19? 20?

How old was Goku when he met Raditz? Pretty sure they lost it when they fought each other to the death at the hands of Piccolo

 

[Fezzih_007]

Mario had Fate Manip for a similar reason, I remember it got removed because lad was captured once or something lol
Although, wouldn't this only apply to DBS Manga Kid Goku?

Yeah, would apply to canon goku.

 

[Nierre]

Vegeta literally states that he survived because of the wish AND for him to thrive. The supporting evidence doesn't really matter nor supplement the actual CRT. But he should definitely get Blessed due to Bardock's wish.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Tbf this would only protect Goku and Raditz from being killed, not from losing or being incapacitated until they've grown up.

Yeah, they can still lose via inca, but not from dying.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Can't believe I have to say this but none of the "feats" were written decades ago with the foresight of what the DBS Manga would imply, so "explanations" will likely be possible for all of the scenarios.

It should either be accepted or rejected strictly from the DBS Manga stuff.

Well, this only means this would retroactively change some of the scenes written before, don't really matter if is written before because this new thing could change the old meaning.

 

[TiltedFN]

Well, this only means this would retroactively change some of the scenes written before, don't really matter if is written before because this new thing could change the old meaning.

exactly, toriyama can write things in future stories to possibly explain past events, list me down as agree, i dont really care if its blessed or fate, either one works.

 

[y3p_owo]

So like, when does Goku lose this?

When he is 17? 18? 19? 20?

If this does get accepted, I'd say at most it's gone by the beginning of Z.

 

[Quantu]

Well, this only means this would retroactively change some of the scenes written before, don't really matter if is written before because this new thing could change the old meaning.

That's what I'm saying, there will be "explanations" because at the time this wasn't planned. Only the DBS Manga stuff should be used to reject/accept this because it is basically retconning these logical explanations as potentially fate hax/blessing.

 

[BlastX]

So like, when does Goku lose this?

When he is 17? 18? 19? 20?

When he and Raditz do a double kill.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

24.

 

[Thelastmlg]

yeah vegeta's statement seems to confirm it, so it should be limited fate manipulation and blessing to prevent death, but not guarrante a victory nor avoid incapacitation, almost like archie sonic's fate hax

though tbh the examples connecting to it are just speculation in general

 

[VinnyXD]

Makes sense to me because I always wonder how the heck Raditz survived so long without even being able to master he's tail weakness.

Also you guys realize no one gets this on the wiki even if it's accepted

 

[Fezzih_007]

Also you guys realize no one gets this on the wiki even if it's accepted

What you mean?

 

[VinnyXD]

What you mean?

The Super Manga doesn't effect the canon profiles. That's why we don't have the training for Spirit Control on any Goku profile but the Super Manga

 

[Kroneii1]

I agree with fate hax or at least blessed, vegeta clearly confirms it

 

[SwordLegendz01]

The Super Manga doesn't effect the canon profiles.

I guess it's not like that, it's still going to affect the profile of the canon prequels except for DBS Anime?

That's why we don't have the training for Spirit Control on any Goku profile but the Super Manga

Which technique do you mean?

 

[VinnyXD]

I guess it's not like that, it's still going to affect the profile of the canon prequels except for DBS Anime?

Which technique do you mean?

For 150 days training on Yaradart. It only on the Super Manga Goku profile

 

[SwordLegendz01]

For 150 days training on Yaradart. It only on the Super Manga Goku profile

Actually, if we look again it's just a feat of stamina. But, in DBS Manga's profile makes the rating possibly rather than full. But, I dunno...