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>inconclusive .
Necro ain't even 2x perfect cell . Majin buu one shots .
Necro ain't even 2x perfect cell . Majin buu one shots .
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KId Buu vs Ultra necrozma
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? Proof?
Necro is 30 foe. Cell is 22 foe. Notvweaker, but barely stronger.
And honestly, if we go the whole equal typing thing, buy would be fairy as he is pure magic . Plus ultra necrizma isn't ghost type nor keeps the traits of the ghost type.
Necro is 30 foe. Cell is 22 foe. Notvweaker, but barely stronger.
And honestly, if we go the whole equal typing thing, buy would be fairy as he is pure magic . Plus ultra necrizma isn't ghost type nor keeps the traits of the ghost type.
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Evidence of said instances would have been nice earlier. Claiming stuff without even showing material for it doesn't get us anywhere.
Being different lifeforms is not at all a thing that makes both cases different. They both fuse and both keep the same stuff from what they fuse with, species is a non-factor. Whether ones a pokemon or a UB doesn't suddenly change that. And "syphoning energy"? Necro isnt absorbing just their energy he literally takes their whole body as a thing to use and then goes into Ultra. Clear fusing at its finest. Thats like saying Piccolo and Kami fusing isnt the same as Goten and Trunks fusing because one side is a saiyan and the other is Namekian, its still fusion in the end so what real difference is there? Nothing.
Which stops them from getting blown to smithereens how?
Buu has reflection hax when?
So no quote on Glass actually saying that? Okay, Necrozma still AP stomps.
Being different lifeforms is not at all a thing that makes both cases different. They both fuse and both keep the same stuff from what they fuse with, species is a non-factor. Whether ones a pokemon or a UB doesn't suddenly change that. And "syphoning energy"? Necro isnt absorbing just their energy he literally takes their whole body as a thing to use and then goes into Ultra. Clear fusing at its finest. Thats like saying Piccolo and Kami fusing isnt the same as Goten and Trunks fusing because one side is a saiyan and the other is Namekian, its still fusion in the end so what real difference is there? Nothing.
Which stops them from getting blown to smithereens how?
Buu has reflection hax when?
So no quote on Glass actually saying that? Okay, Necrozma still AP stomps.
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Buu would be fairy fighting, yeah. I would agree with you as well with the Necrozma thing, and I would say that Necro has every ability but intangibility due to typing difference. But there's not enough information to convince Kukui of it, so, I just gave both points to you guys.
But, if Currently Necro is 30 foe, then he won't Atomize Buu. Meaning he can't kill him. Buu being fairy fighting wouldn't give him any physical buffs if he's using "fighting type" moves. On Necro.
Buu might outlast Necro and hit him with Candy Beam. Advantage Buu.
But, if Currently Necro is 30 foe, then he won't Atomize Buu. Meaning he can't kill him. Buu being fairy fighting wouldn't give him any physical buffs if he's using "fighting type" moves. On Necro.
Buu might outlast Necro and hit him with Candy Beam. Advantage Buu.
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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1205084?useskin=oasis
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I can, but why would i? It is blatantly obvious golurk can be punched or lunala can be interacted with physically . In fact not even sure where ta get all ghost types are intangible. Sableye sure isnt . Why because gengar can phase ? More ghost types havent shown intangibility than thise that have (what like 3 lines) and some have shown being incabable of that .
Did ya just ignire the fact kyurem not only does not fuse wuth some random being but is merely becoming whole, agai. He isnt gaining shit he never had, and what ? Maybe when necro posses them but in ultra? Nah he only took theur light, only stated 5 billion times in game .
Nothing, exceot hitting all them, have fun with that .
Punch that shit back, nkt like buu is any stranger.
Did ya just ignire the fact kyurem not only does not fuse wuth some random being but is merely becoming whole, agai. He isnt gaining shit he never had, and what ? Maybe when necro posses them but in ultra? Nah he only took theur light, only stated 5 billion times in game .
Nothing, exceot hitting all them, have fun with that .
Punch that shit back, nkt like buu is any stranger.
Next time read the thread yourself kukui. Or maybe check the ap on both. Necro is barely stronger than cell, he cant do anything to any buu .Theglassman12 said:
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And, J-man, Golurk and all Ghost types are intangible just like Gastly. Just stop. Sabeleye is too-- Loppuny can only hit it with Scrappy. Give me 1 link to a scene where a normal or fighting type move hit a ghost type in battle, and I can get somewhere behind you, but we all know that we can't hit Golurk or Aegislash with Fighting or Normal type moves.
Wanna test it out on Showdown...?
Wanna test it out on Showdown...?
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Because thats exactly why ive said the entire time they have limited intangibility. It wouldn't be full intangibility because stuff goes against that. But it doesn't go against them being intangible to some things, like fighting or normal moves (same thing really but you get the picture). And if there's no evidence of said moves working on the ghosts then ghost pokemon being intangible to them and not other stuff is a thing. As for the phasing, not my argument but im pretty sure the episode I linked shows gastly or haunter actively phasing through walls.
And how is that a difference? Whether its new or old, they're gaining stuff from the things they're coming together with. It doenst matter if Necrozma's getting new stuff and Kyurem's getting stuff he once had. If we accept Kyurem having ANY of it via the fact typing goes against his fusion, same thing is happening for Lunala and Necrozma. Also that is completely false, this is even shown when Necrozma goes back to Alola. Lunala isn't freed until Necrozma disperses, proving that Necrozma still had her body the entire time he was Ultra.
And a dozen will be hard to destroy how?
Not if it bypasses him but otherwise fair.
Good we're getting somewhere. And what exactly makes his comment true now? In other words where's it clarified that Necrozma's only 30-40 foe solar systen level?
And how is that a difference? Whether its new or old, they're gaining stuff from the things they're coming together with. It doenst matter if Necrozma's getting new stuff and Kyurem's getting stuff he once had. If we accept Kyurem having ANY of it via the fact typing goes against his fusion, same thing is happening for Lunala and Necrozma. Also that is completely false, this is even shown when Necrozma goes back to Alola. Lunala isn't freed until Necrozma disperses, proving that Necrozma still had her body the entire time he was Ultra.
And a dozen will be hard to destroy how?
Not if it bypasses him but otherwise fair.
Good we're getting somewhere. And what exactly makes his comment true now? In other words where's it clarified that Necrozma's only 30-40 foe solar systen level?
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This. Literally the basis of my intangibility argument for ghost pokemon.Amexim said:
They definitely don't have full intangibility because elemental stuff can harm them. Thats out. But they can still have limited intangibility to other stuff that isnt touching them like normal/fighting and not one piece of evidence is posted to go against it.
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Cool, gengar line was one of the 3 lines.
Extremely different, and up to ya to prove he kept that shit, when nothing stated he does , especially since nothing in game states or even hints he does and in the case of ultra he took the light energy to make a new body . Burden of proof on ya .
Really? Have fun hitting them when any of them can attack, move and more , he ain't sitting there Kukui.
Never saud he could deflect everything.
The calc? Did ya not check the calc? The 33 foevwas accepted . I even saud that.
Extremely different, and up to ya to prove he kept that shit, when nothing stated he does , especially since nothing in game states or even hints he does and in the case of ultra he took the light energy to make a new body . Burden of proof on ya .
Really? Have fun hitting them when any of them can attack, move and more , he ain't sitting there Kukui.
Never saud he could deflect everything.
The calc? Did ya not check the calc? The 33 foevwas accepted . I even saud that.
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Amexim, not talking about the games. Talking about shit like manga or anime .
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Oh and I guess golurk and goleft in pokepark . Quick Attack wirks .
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Again, show evidence or never happened. Your not helping your case by purposely refrusing.
And its stated Kyurem keeps everything where? And maybe it's not stated because of it being common sense to add 2+2 together? Necro isn't suddenly getting a new body out of nowhere, why even make one when he still has Lunalas? And to prove it even more here,Lunala's body is kept by Necro the entire time. From the moment he becomes Ultra to when he disperses and goes back to Alola. Thus, his body was Lunalas. If anything, the burden of proof in itself is on you to provide he even made a new body and had a reason to do so at all.
The blobs do not attack you, all they do is latch onto you so they can absorb. Didnt do it to Gotenks, Piccolo, Gohan, none of them.
The calc by Darkanine? I'll try and find it then to see. Even then, what tier in 4-B is Kid Buu at?
And its stated Kyurem keeps everything where? And maybe it's not stated because of it being common sense to add 2+2 together? Necro isn't suddenly getting a new body out of nowhere, why even make one when he still has Lunalas? And to prove it even more here,Lunala's body is kept by Necro the entire time. From the moment he becomes Ultra to when he disperses and goes back to Alola. Thus, his body was Lunalas. If anything, the burden of proof in itself is on you to provide he even made a new body and had a reason to do so at all.
The blobs do not attack you, all they do is latch onto you so they can absorb. Didnt do it to Gotenks, Piccolo, Gohan, none of them.
The calc by Darkanine? I'll try and find it then to see. Even then, what tier in 4-B is Kid Buu at?
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Actually did .
Yeah no, necro sure as hell doesn't keep random ghost properties.
Yeah, actually, when goku got knocked out of ssh3 on world of the kais .
Yeah, that one, 33, cell is 22, dont think i need to explain why someone who can ohko fighters who can shitstomp cell would be bad here .
Yeah no, necro sure as hell doesn't keep random ghost properties.
Yeah, actually, when goku got knocked out of ssh3 on world of the kais .
Yeah, that one, 33, cell is 22, dont think i need to explain why someone who can ohko fighters who can shitstomp cell would be bad here .
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Don't see a link, scan, or anything. Comments aren't evidence.
Just like Kyurem doesn't keep fire or electric properties via his typing and we still allow him to have both. Necrozma logically gets the same thing, especially when using the body of one with said ghost properities.
Buu wasnt attempting to absorb them, beside the point.
Going off of that tho, that is only just for Megaopolis or the world it comes from. Necrozma applies light to MANY, many other worlds too so clearly the AP is much higher than that.
Just like Kyurem doesn't keep fire or electric properties via his typing and we still allow him to have both. Necrozma logically gets the same thing, especially when using the body of one with said ghost properities.
Buu wasnt attempting to absorb them, beside the point.
Going off of that tho, that is only just for Megaopolis or the world it comes from. Necrozma applies light to MANY, many other worlds too so clearly the AP is much higher than that.
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Reading this thread, i'd say Inconclusive.
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Pokepark, there have fun .
Actually, he does, or are ya forgetting he obtains the ability teravolt and gets an unique ice movevwuth fure abd lighting properties? , ya you are right, he doesnt keep the properties from type , he keeps it through ability and moves .
And?
And? The other ends arent accepted, that one was . Necro gets one punched .
Actually, he does, or are ya forgetting he obtains the ability teravolt and gets an unique ice movevwuth fure abd lighting properties? , ya you are right, he doesnt keep the properties from type , he keeps it through ability and moves .
And?
And? The other ends arent accepted, that one was . Necro gets one punched .
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But we don't exactly know by how much is Necrozma higher. And we low-ball Majin Buu-- we know that he's a gradual threat to the universe. Even when the scenes aren't shown, statements from the Kais in the Manga show that But was going to destroy the Universe over time. He'd have to be Multi-Solar System I think.
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Actually, no end was accepted. This was just the end we were using until I beat the game. And since I decided to say "screw that" and do some minor research, dude is gonna be 4-A. Like, Kirby level 4-A.
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Finish it damnit Cal. I finished it weeks ago.
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And why is that?
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Because I had Dark humor me and calc the "many worlds" bit, and it came out to the ExaFoe
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Many worlds? Kinda not given an exact number, ya cant just slap an aprtoximate value on that , and the only way ta could get exa would be ta if ya took the biggest possible length from the ultra space mini game and there is one huge glaring problem with that .
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Still not evidence. Actually post scans and links, then you'll have something.
And moves and abilities somehow hold more water than having the literal thing with you?
Meaning it has nothing to do with the earlier point. The blobs do not attack their victims, they restrict and absorb them.
Which doesnt mean the AP cannot be higher. This is even part of the justification. If light is being given for more than one world, the AP is clearly higher. And funny you say that when later on Necro is going to be upgraded anyway.
And moves and abilities somehow hold more water than having the literal thing with you?
Meaning it has nothing to do with the earlier point. The blobs do not attack their victims, they restrict and absorb them.
Which doesnt mean the AP cannot be higher. This is even part of the justification. If light is being given for more than one world, the AP is clearly higher. And funny you say that when later on Necro is going to be upgraded anyway.
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Saikou, don't brag ovo.Saikou The Lewd King said:
I only finished the game and post story today...
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Actually this is very wrong.Amexim said:
Going by the manga, Buu was only destroying hundreds of planets overtime, not the universe.
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Told ya, pokepark 2, golurk no less. Just Google the fight. That is one example. Itd be literally the first thing .
Nice try, don't turn that around on me, ya claimed kyurem kept it despite its typing, and teah it did, because it got a new ability and move . Necro didn't .
Goku ssj3, the blobs all turbed into buu and spammed Ki blasts .
Except that is highly debatable as is for plenty of reasons .
Man here is gengar gettin harmed by normal attacks .
Nice try, don't turn that around on me, ya claimed kyurem kept it despite its typing, and teah it did, because it got a new ability and move . Necro didn't .
Goku ssj3, the blobs all turbed into buu and spammed Ki blasts .
Except that is highly debatable as is for plenty of reasons .
Man here is gengar gettin harmed by normal attacks .
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Thats, like, the very opposite of giving evidence. You made the claim, you provide the evidence. Not telling others to go find it. That isn't my job nor my problem.
It's not turning around on you, because I hardly see how having the abilities is any better than having the actual body of another being who has the said properities, especially properties that definitely applied to you before. Having the actual body > move. Not that Kyurem doesnt gain Zekrom/Reshiram cuz it does but that doesnt shut this point down.
Yeah but were they trying to absorb him? No. Its a completely different usuage. Either absorbing or fighting, not both at once.
Only according to you. Majority here seem to already accept it.
Flaws with this: Gengar was passed out and im 100% certain ghost types aren't passively intangible. Besides which, even if normal moves in pokepark worked on ghost pokemon that'd be blatently going against what the main games have to offer when not using stuff like Foresight.
It's not turning around on you, because I hardly see how having the abilities is any better than having the actual body of another being who has the said properities, especially properties that definitely applied to you before. Having the actual body > move. Not that Kyurem doesnt gain Zekrom/Reshiram cuz it does but that doesnt shut this point down.
Yeah but were they trying to absorb him? No. Its a completely different usuage. Either absorbing or fighting, not both at once.
Only according to you. Majority here seem to already accept it.
Flaws with this: Gengar was passed out and im 100% certain ghost types aren't passively intangible. Besides which, even if normal moves in pokepark worked on ghost pokemon that'd be blatently going against what the main games have to offer when not using stuff like Foresight.
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