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My question is whether having soul resistence is enough to survive Kenpachi's deconstruction. Since the justification is that he turns something spiritual into "ashes
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Kenpachi Zaraki VS Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryusai
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The answer is yes
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Kenpachi didn't even deconstruct the Lieutenants around him during the Hikone fight, there's no way he's negging Yama like that. Soul Manip Resistance gives the Bleach cast specifically a blanket resistance to any of those effects specifically caused by reiatsu/soul crush based hax.
Specifically in Kenpachi's case, people like Immature Bankai/Kid Toshiro and casual Byakuya were perfectly fine even though they were around Bankai Kenpachi who's immensely stronger than the SAFWY Kenpachi that performed the deconstruction feat.
Actually, in that same novel scan that shows Kenpachi having deconstruction, Yachiru is completely fine being near him too
Specifically in Kenpachi's case, people like Immature Bankai/Kid Toshiro and casual Byakuya were perfectly fine even though they were around Bankai Kenpachi who's immensely stronger than the SAFWY Kenpachi that performed the deconstruction feat.
Actually, in that same novel scan that shows Kenpachi having deconstruction, Yachiru is completely fine being near him too
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Not really a good example FYI, yachiru is Kenpachi's sword spirit
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His deconstruction isn't a zanpakuto ability that comes from her, so she shouldn't have any inherent resistances to it beyond the general Soul Manip resistance. That and she doesn't scale to him, she's still got Lieutenant level reiatsu in her split form. If she was like most other zan spirits and scaled to her shinigami partner then I'd say fair point
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She is his Zanpakuto Spirit. Why on earth would his soul damage his own soul when he isn’t even doing something like Bankai that causes his limbs to explode?
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decon would be resisted if it comes from soul manip since he resist soul manip
its like resisting subjective reality so despite not having EE resistance you can resist Subjective realities EE application because you resist what makes it happen or what causes it rather than resisting the effect
the only time Yama will get decon if the decon doesn't happen because of soul manip which how it happens most of the time against different verse match up where their decon doesn't happen because of soul manip
its like resisting subjective reality so despite not having EE resistance you can resist Subjective realities EE application because you resist what makes it happen or what causes it rather than resisting the effect
the only time Yama will get decon if the decon doesn't happen because of soul manip which how it happens most of the time against different verse match up where their decon doesn't happen because of soul manip
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Most Shinigami have to achieve Bankai by making their zan spirits material in the physical (Spiritual) world and then defeating them. It's not just possible but required for most Shinigami to be able to affect their zan spirits
And we see it to a greater degree in the semi canon Zanpakuto Rebellion arc (Semi canon because it was referenced in CFYOW) where the whole thing was beating up Zanpakuto spirits.
Same way Zan spirits can beat on their shinigami in both the real world and their inner worlds
In most of those cases, the zan spirit and Shinigami scale to each other or the zan spirit scales above, but in this case Yachiru is Lieutenant level at her peak compared to Kenpachi who's never been below Captain level at any point in the story
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Kenpachi bullies and probably resists the EE via sheer reiatsu difference tbh
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Yama wins EE will defeat kenpachi
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Okay so
- Kenny > Iko >>> (to the point he negs hax) Ichibe >> Yhwach > Yama.
- Kenny > Hikone = casual SK Yhwach (here and up are transcendent to Bankai Yama) > Almighty Yhwach >>> Ichibe >> Yhwach > Yama
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I totally forgot about his bankai.
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Those 5 people are wrong for the reasons laid out above so…
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5 people are wrong? Kenny has nigh direct scaling of being so strong that Yama’s stuff won’t work on him.
Edit: Lmao, I got ninja’d
Edit: Lmao, I got ninja’d
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Yes but his reiatsu is so far above Yama’s that hax doesn’t work.
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But base Kenny slaps Transcendent Hikone and Shikai Kenny was the one who oneshot Fragments Iko who is so strong he resists Ichibe’s hax. Any CFYOW Kenny slaps.
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Yamamoto did obliterate a quincy who had his vice captain's bankai and also treated the 3 quincies that attacked him like they were nothing. It also includes As Nödt. Zankai no Tachi also has it's so called "states".
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….. pre Muken Kenny murdered 3 Ritters as well? One of which who was as strong as Kenny and still got no diffed. Sasakibe is also not that strong and the moves from Zanka all get resisted by Kenny besides the zombies which he can just walk through.
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I mean. How much is his durability at his post Muken shikai state?
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He would get EE by Yama's Bankai
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Strongest Captain and the 13 Blades statement only applies to the Blood War and not the novels so that doesn’t matter.
The Kenny here one tapped a stronger Ikomikidomoe than the one that Yama couldn’t beat in the past.
This Kenny is stronger than the Yhwach who has Yama’s Bankai.
This Kenny >>> Fragments Ikomikdomoe > Ichibe > Yhwach with Bankai > Yama.
Kenny power nulls with reiatsu.
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That's not true...
Yama is also being held on high regards in the novel ...
There is a plane statement in the novel that says " the original heat of the real rujin jaka would have ended this battle (swiftly) " ...
I vaguely remember but it was either tokinada or shunsui that said this...
Yama may not have bullied zaraki or hikone who are present in that fight in a swift manner but he is still regarded as a major threat even in the novel
The novel specifically said a young yamamoto ...
He's no where near his prime ...
Not to mention that ikimikidomoe was only a baragan level threat at that time , imagine comparing baragan level of power to prime yamamoto with bankai
Stronger than base yhwach yes ,but yama already bullied base yhwach as well...
This becomes wrong as they are based off wrong analogy...
And how is kenny beating ichibe lmao last time I checked , zaraki doesn't have the almighty to neg any of ichibes conceptual manipulation
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Yama is on another level to the likes of Noble Captains. Kenny one taps the same guy who breaks out of Ichibe’s hax via raw power.
Same thing as above
People not fighting for ages = them becoming weaker. Barragan has been around and not fighting as long as Yama so he simply got weaker.
Literally not what happened when Yhwach treated base Yama like trash on the side of the road.
I have no idea what you are saying. There is no analogy in my post.
He is literally too strong for it to work? Kenny > Fragments Ikomikidomoe who negged it via reiatsu. Did you even read my post at all? Because it’s blatantly obvious how Kenny bodies Ichibe.
He doesn’t need infinite stamina when none of them can harm him. Kenny will just walk through the army no diff and smack Yama.
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Can kenny counter Yama combats experiences and options while fighting trillions of zombies?
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Zombies are irrelevant and Kenny with little to no experience was able to beat Yachiru who is the biggest fiend in SS (pre Kenny) all while he has a smaller stat advantage over her than he does over Yama here. Current Kenny has plenty of his own experience which includes fighting people who use more than just Zanjutsu like Byakuya. This even more impressive than pretty much anything Yama has since Yama is almost always >>>>> whoever he is fighting.
Let’s also not forget that she is more skilled and most likely has more combat experience than Yama.
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