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Kenpachi Zaraki VS Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryusai

TauanVictor

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Kenpachi Zaraki VS Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryusai​

  • Fight Location: Soul Society
  • Starting Distance: 10m
  • Both are bloodlusted
  • Equalized speed
  • Post-Gremmy Fight Zaraki
Zaraki: 3 (@AnonymousBlank, @Deceived, @JED)
Yamamoto: 5 (@Jo-Smooth, @TOAAPRESENCE1, @Nightmare_Bloodfallen, @speedster352, @Hishiro)
Inconclusive:

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Kenny swings and negs. He is the strongest Shinigami in the novels which puts him above Ichibe who is way stronger than Yama. Unless Yama uses Bankai immediately, Kenny kills him.
 
Kenny is a fiend anyway so the bloodlusted being removed doesn’t matter.

A different key for Kenny means that Yama with just Shikai stomps him. If you make it Bankai Yama from the start, Kenny can’t do anything to him. Sadly, this is a stomp/be stomped matchup.
 
Speed is equalized, so Yama would outskill Kenny by an insane degree. It's rare that skill is a factor in Bleach, but here's one instance where it would actually matter, specifically with = speed.

Yama has too many options. Hakuda which can even kill people that are able to handle the potency of/absorb Yama's flames, and have strong Regen on top of that. Mastery of Kido. Hoho to avoid Kenny's attacks at close or long range. Zanjutsu sword skill that would most definitely out do Kenpachi in = Speed.

His shikai's potency is still enough to do insane damage unless you think their difference is as large as or larger than SS arc Kenpachi and SS arc scared shikai Ichigo.

And Yama's Bankai would just make it so that Kenny can't touch him except with spatial cutting, but again = speed + skill gap + hoho mastery

Someone with so many options and insta kill dura neg potential isn't a good matchup for Kenpachi

The closest person to him that isn't too haxed or varied for him to deal with is probably someone like Ginjo, who's also in that 'can best Hikone' tier as stated by Tokinada and the Narrator, but has just enough skills and techniques to actually have a competitive fight
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Kenny swings and negs. He is the strongest Shinigami in the novels which puts him above Ichibe who is way stronger than Yama. Unless Yama uses Bankai immediately, Kenny kills him.
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Not stronger than ichibe

And if u want to use those statement too, then yama had one saying he was the strongest shinigami

Even tho ichibe is clearly stronger

Those statement are only applicable to those below the soul king palace
 
Kenny is only deconstructing Yama if he is proven to be above Yama as said deconstruction comes from soul crush and even if he is proven to be above him, it would need to be to such a great extent that it’s irrelevant as to whether he can or not as he would just slap Yama with stats by that point.
 
TOAAPRESENCE1 said:
The aura which has the deconstruction, fear hax, etc. Is from the soul manipulation

Which yama also resist
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Just because Kenpachi's Aura comes from Soul Manipulation doesn't mean you have inherent resistances towards all of the hax's that comes from Kenpachi's Aura. It's literally like saying just because you resist towards Soul Manipulation you can resist Aizen's Existence Erasure or Kenpachi's Pain Manipulation.

It doesn't work like that at all.

AnonymousBlank said:
Kenny is only deconstructing Yama if he is proven to be above Yama as said deconstruction comes from soul crush and even if he is proven to be above him, it would need to be to such a great extent that it’s irrelevant as to whether he can or not as he would just slap Yama with stats by that point.
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He doesn't have the needed resistance towards the hax so he's getting effected by it no matter what. being stronger doesn't allow you to resist the Hax, Yamamoto needs a resistance towards Deconstruction to resist Kenpachi's Aura which isn't present on his profile.

Until Yamamoto gains a resistance towards Deconstruction he's getting Deconstructed.
 
Deceived said:
Just because Kenpachi's Aura comes from Soul Manipulation doesn't mean you have inherent resistances towards all of the hax's that comes from Kenpachi's Aura. It's literally like saying just because you resist towards Soul Manipulation you can resist Aizen's Existence Erasure or Kenpachi's Pain Manipulation.

It doesn't work like that at all.


He doesn't have the needed resistance towards the hax so he's getting effected by it no matter what. being stronger doesn't allow you to resist the Hax, Yamamoto needs a resistance towards Deconstruction to resist Kenpachi's Aura which isn't present on his profile.

Until Yamamoto gains a resistance towards Deconstruction he's getting Deconstructed.
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On bleach, if u have a stronger soul (in vswb wiki "soul resistance") I are able to resist all of the hax from the aura that comes from the soul resistance
 
TOAAPRESENCE1 said:
On bleach, if u have a stronger soul (in vswb wiki "soul resistance") I are able to resist all of the hax from the aura that comes from the soul resistance
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Until that is added to the profile's we can't argue with that logic since it isn't accepted by any means on this Wiki.
 
read the profile, its cause of his immense reiatsu against the reishi walls that causes the deconstruction. it's all derived from the same energy source

its why Gin who doesn't have EE resist but captain level+ reiatsu can survive next to post chrysalis-aizen (while weaker characters and lieutenants get visibly murked)
and why he still isn't erased when a stronger Transcendent aizen grabs and tears his arm off.
 
Loyd said:
read the profile, its cause of his immense reiatsu against the reishi walls that causes the deconstruction. it's all derived from the same energy source

its why Gin who doesn't have EE resist but captain level+ reiatsu can survive next to post chrysalis-aizen (while weaker characters and lieutenants get visibly murked)
and why he still isn't erased when a stronger Transcendent aizen grabs and tears his arm off.
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If it isn't accepted on the profile's it can't be used.

So until Yamamoto gains a resistant towards Deconstruction he's getting Deconstructed.
 
Deceived said:
Until that is added to the profile's we can't argue with that logic since it isn't accepted by any means on this Wiki.
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Kinda is, u can see any VS with bleach character

If the character had higher soul resistance, no soul etc.

They resist the soul crush and all that is involved with it

U are decently new so I don't expect u to know about that
 
not sure why you can't follow simple logic.

reiatsu to strong for the reishi wall > causes deconstruction
yama has very high soul/reiatsu resist which is why he doesn't get deconstructed.

post chryalis Aizen reiatsu gap is so vast > it EE's weaker beings
Gin has decent enough reiatsu > doesn't get EE'd
 
TOAAPRESENCE1 said:
Already is.

If u have aura or hax derived of, comes from, ZYX manipulation, and u resist XYZ manipulation u are resisting the source of the aura basically making it useless
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Evidence? Proof? Anything backing this up???????

Loyd said:
not sure why you can't follow simple logic.

reiatsu to strong for the reishi wall > causes deconstruction
yama has very high soul/reiatsu resist which is why he doesn't get deconstructed.

post chryalis Aizen reiatsu gap is so vast > it EE's weaker beings
Gin has decent enough reiatsu > doesn't get EE'd
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That isn't accepted on the profiles so that logic can't be used here.

I'm only following the "Rules" of this Wiki.
 
lol can you imagine how much stronger our verse would become if having great enough soul resist didn't neg the other mind hax effects.
 
Kenpachi's deconstruction comes from him destroying Reishi, which is spiritual matter

Isn't that just Soul Manipulation?
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Kenpachi's deconstruction comes from him destroying Reishi, which is spiritual matter

Isn't that just Soul Manipulation?
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Out of verse No but inverse Yes.

Depending on how strong you argue Kenpachi and Yamamoto he could or couldn't possibly effect him with his Deconstruction.
 
Yes it could still qualify for deconstruction its just breaking things down into smaller bits different from matter manip. but reading the Deconstruction page sounds like it should be removed or maybe limited Deconstruction.

"Note that natural side effects from powers, such as Energy Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation, and other abilities that can produce enough energy output to destroy or dismantle objects, do not mean that characters automatically qualify for this ability, unless the abilities in question specifically and directly focus on deconstruction in itself, rather than as a consequence."
 
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