Kenjaku's a Li'l Funny, No? (Jujutsu Kaisen)

[Nullflowerblush]

i'm new to this.

At least Small Town level (He fought Yuki and Choso at the same time, managing to knock Choso out at various points in the fight, overpowering Yuki during the clinch)

1. Choso is 8-A.
2. Across the entire battle, Kenjaku only ever harmed Yuki twice; once, using Womb Profusion—and even still, barely conscious, barely function, and at her limit with a mangled arm and debilitating internal damage, Yuki managed to keep up with Kenjaku—and again, using a miniature Uzumaki; Kenjaku only managed damaging Yuki using a Domain Expansion, which amplifies one's abilities, and a Maximum, maximizing the output of Cursed Spirit Manipulation and combining a surplus of Cursed Spirits of unknown strength into a singular, condensed blast, she even managed to endure the first miniature Uzumaki.
   • Yuki one-shot Ganesha, one of Kenjaku's Special Grade Cursed Spirits.
   • Kenjaku was initially beaten down, even breaking both arms, effortlessly by Yuki.
   • Kenjaku was unsure he could even defeat Yuki initially.
   • Kenjaku considered fighting Yuki a pain.
   • Yuki was confident she could easily defeat Kenjaku should Cursed Spirit Manipulation be burnt out.
   • Despite being injured yet, Yuki (and previously defeated Choso) kept Kenjaku pressured long enough for her to heal.
   • Yuki beat Kenjaku down as he prepared a miniature Uzumaki.

In NO way does Kenjaku scale to Yuki's stats normally.

likely far higher (Overcame Yuki's black hole)

Via a combination of using Lapse on Kaori's Antigravity System, removing its output limitations, Tengen's Barrier, and Yuki's will suppressing the black hole herself.

What are Kenjaku's physical feats? No-selling Miwa (9-A) and manhandling Choso (8-A)?
His Special Grade Cursed Spirits are obviously Special Grade, and Cursed Spirit Manipulation should be a Varies rating.
Antigravity System is, at the very least, 8-A and through Lapse is far higher.
Only his Domain Expansion and his Maximum: Uzumaki would scale to Yuki.

Something like:

At least Multi-City Block level (Stopped Miwa's katana with one hand. Physically overpowered Choso. Kept up with a powered-up Choso and a critically injured Yuki); Varies (Possesses a wide variety of Cursed Spirits), from Multi-City Block level (Even low-level Curses can overpower Chos) to Small Town level (Possesses Kurourushi, who can battle with Yuta and Uro. Possesses numerous Special Grade Cursed Spirits, like Ganesha) via Cursed Spirit Manipulation, At least Small Town level via Maximum: Uzumaki (Is a combination of his numerous Cursed Spirits. A miniature Uzumaki nearly killed Yuki); At least Multi-City Block level via Antigravity System (Completely immobilized Choso instantly), far higher via Lapse; At least Small Town level via Womb Profusion (Could overpower Yuki with Antigravity System with his Domain Expansion active)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He should get Low 7-C rating. But I will reply later. Regarding that. Simple thing is his CE output shouldn't be any lower than Geto and Geto scales to Low 7-C. Where Yuta and Rika from JJK0 scales to Gojo powering the nation of Low 7-C feat. So Kenjaku AP should be just rewritten with something like this.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Here this should work.

Small Town level (Should be comparable, if not superior, to Adult Geto. Overpowered Choso multiple times and fought both Awakened Choso and injured Yuki for some extended time period.) Varies with Anti Gravity Manipulation, Domain Expansion and Cursed Spirit Manipulation

 

[Nullflowerblush]

powering the nation of Low 7-C feat

oh right

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

oh right

Made small changes to your proposal.

At least Small Town level (Should be comparable, if not superior, to Adult Geto. Stopped Miwa's katana with one hand. Physically overpowered Choso multiple times and fought both Awakened Choso and injured Yuki for some extended time period); Varies (Possesses a wide variety of Cursed Spirits), from Multi-City Block level (Even low-level Curses can overpower Choso) to Small Town level (Possesses Kurourushi, who can battle with Yuta and Uro. Possesses numerous Special Grade Cursed Spirits, like Ganesha) via Cursed Spirit Manipulation, At least Small Town level via Maximum: Uzumaki (Is a combination of his numerous Cursed Spirits. A miniature Uzumaki nearly killed Yuki); At least Multi-City Block level via Antigravity System (Completely immobilized Choso instantly), far higher via Lapse; At least Small Town level via Womb Profusion (Could overpower Yuki with Antigravity System with his Domain Expansion active)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Im pretty sure that Kenjaku should scale to Kurourushi, since for Cursed Manipulation work you need have a level higher then the curse itself

 

[Arkenis]

This is like the fourth CRT up, so no one else get any ideas

And I agree, Kenjaku isn't strong as Yuki.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This is like the fourth CRT up, so no one else get any ideas

Time to close your CRT

Which is the 3rd & fourth one? Mairteya CRT is over. Only 2 CRT currently active as far as I remember

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Simple thing is his CE output shouldn't be any lower than Geto and Geto scales to Low 7-C.

Wait, wait, why is Suguru's output being compared to Satoru Gojo's? He is an anomaly in that regard, and that statement of being able to power a nation was in reference to 2018 Satoru, rather than, say, 2007 Satoru. And, was also made by an American who just learned about Cursed Energy, but c'est la vie.

Where Yuta and Rika from JJK0 scales to Gojo powering the nation of Low 7-C feat.

Yuta and Rika explicitly have limitless Cursed Energy and Cursed Energy output slightly below Ryu Ishigori's.
Ryu Ishigori has the highest Cursed Energy output out of the Culling Game contestants, which includes Kenjaku.

since for Cursed Manipulation work you need have a level higher then the curse itself

You have to be of one or two higher grades to control the Curse "practically with no conditions attached".

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

You have to be of one or two higher grades to control the Curse "practically with no conditions attached".

Okay, thx for agree with me ig?

 

[Arkenis]

Which is the 3rd & fourth one? Mairteya CRT is over. Only 2 CRT currently active as far as I remember

Oh well nvm then. I remember Dr white still has one up so its just 3 at the moment

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Okay, thx for agree with me ig?

"practically with no conditions attached"

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Bro, the **** you mean. Tell the shit instead of just quoting shit

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Wait, wait, why is Suguru's output being compared to Satoru Gojo's? He is an anomaly in that regard, and that statement of being able to power a nation was in reference to 2018 Satoru, rather than, say, 2007 Satoru. And, was also made by an American who just learned about Cursed Energy, but c'est la vie.

Yuta and Rika explicitly have limitless Cursed Energy and Cursed Energy output slightly below Ryu Ishigori's.
Ryu Ishigori has the highest Cursed Energy output out of the Culling Game contestants, which includes Kenjaku.

You have to be of one or two higher grades to control the Curse "practically with no conditions attached".

Events in Volume 1 and onwards occurred a year after JJK0. Gojo's empowerment of a nation is for JJK0 Gojo's output during the Miguel fight. Geto, who was comparable to Rika in her fully manifested state, could physically contend with both Yuta and Rika simultaneously. Thus, fully manifested Rika ~ Geto. Rika was stated to be on par with Gojo, requiring him to put his life on the line to stop her. At the very least, Rika should output energy at the same level as Gojo did during the Miguel fight. Therefore, scaling chain would be is JJK0 Gojo's Output ~ Miguel ~ Rika ~ Geto. This doesn't imply that Gojo isn't stronger than them, but rather the comparison based on the output he used in JJK0 and their scaling. I will reply briefly to this later if you need more clarification. Kinda busy currently

 

[Arkenis]

Were there conditions with Kuro or Ganesha? If not then I don't see why Kenjaku isn't being scaled above them here.

Also this really ignores the body being Geto's and also that Kenjaku's curse energy control should be very refined just due to his experience. There's also the fact Kashimo in the past says he should have fought Kenjaku instead of those randoms, meaning he sees Kenjaku as more of a challenge.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bro, the **** you mean. Tell the shit instead of just quoting shit

That is the shit.
Cursed Spirit Manipulation can control any Cursed Spirit by taming it. Being stronger than the Cursed Spirit allows for instantaneous control.

Geto, who was comparable to Rika in her fully manifested state, could physically contend with both Yuta and Rika simultaneously.

After Yuta began reinforcing properly, Suguru was damn near blitzed and floored instantly.

requiring him to put his life on the line to stop her.

Satoru was talking about stopping one of her rampages. She was "tamed" by time of the fight with Suguru.

Therefore, scaling chain would be is JJK0 Gojo's Output ~ Miguel ~ Rika ~ Geto.

I guess if Yuta and Rika could output nation-generating Cursed Energy continuously, that'd work, but Yuta is explicitly "on the weaker side" of Cursed Energy output, and Yuta has to actively build up Rika's power.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Were there conditions with Kuro or Ganesha? If not then I don't see why Kenjaku isn't being scaled above them here.

Also this really ignores the body being Geto's and also that Kenjaku's curse energy control should be very refined just due to his experience. There's also the fact Kashimo in the past says he should have fought Kenjaku instead of those randoms, meaning he sees Kenjaku as more of a challenge.

A Cursed Spirit Manipulation user must make a cursed spirit submit before absorbing them if the difference between them is less than 2 grades, Geto and Kenjaku can just pokeball grade 2 curses and below immediately which is what it means by no conditions

 

[Arkenis]

A Cursed Spirit Manipulation user must make a cursed spirit submit before absorbing them if the difference between them is less than 2 grades, Geto and Kenjaku can just pokeball grade 2 curses and below immediately which is what it means by no conditions

Yeah so Kenjaku would have to scale to his special grades then.

 

[JnSteHar002]

JJK: Kenjaku resists a black hole's pull

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

JJK: Kenjaku resists a black hole's pull

vsbattles.fandom.com

Antigravity System Lapse

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

After Yuta began reinforcing properly, Suguru was damn near blitzed and floored instantly.

Geto did survived the punch with small bruse in his face nothing big happened later both went all out. That does not mean Rika wasn't strong previously. He did fought her and Yuta both together.

Satoru was talking about stopping one of her rampages. She was "tamed" by time of the fight with Suguru.

Why tamed or not matters here? Gojo doesn't have any information except what Rika had showcased until that point in other words he was talking about he needed to seriously fight to stop Rika. Why would tamed Rika durability would be lesser than untamed Rika?

I guess if Yuta and Rika could output nation-generating Cursed Energy continuously, that'd work, but Yuta is explicitly "on the weaker side" of Cursed Energy output, and Yuta has to actively build up Rika's power.

This is not same Yuta and Rika from JJK0. You should know Yuta was Downgraded to Rank 4 and had to work his ass up to reach Special Grade Sorcerer level again and current Rika has limitations and it's just a small faction of Original Rika. Though current Yuta has better control over CE than Previously. He has Boundless Cursed Energy for limited time. Also Yuta is not on the weaker side of CE output. It's talking about how he is physically weaker than Yuji but he is Reinforcing himself with CE to match Yuji's Raw power.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Geto did survived the punch with small bruse in his face nothing big happened later both went all out.

I guess? Face was definitely banged up, though.

He did fought her and Yuta both together.

Only once did Yuta even channel her curse into power, and only after being smacked around by Suguru did Yuta adapt and properly utilize Cursed Energy Reinforcement, which is a conscious and active ability, relying upon one's control and one's output, the latter of which Yuta is explicitly "on the weaker side" of. Yuta was not drawing upon the full power of Rika continuously throughout the fight.

You should know Yuta was Downgraded to Rank 4

For three months.
Because the curse tethering a Special Grade Vengeful Spirit was broken.
And, the Rika that Yuta uses against Ryu and Uro is described as Rika's will left within Yuta before her passing.

and current Rika has limitations

Only her time constraints.

Also Yuta is not on the weaker side of CE output. It's talking about how he is physically weaker than Yuji but he is Reinforcing himself with CE to match Yuji's Raw power.

Whoops. Mb.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I guess? Face was definitely banged up, though.

Bruh your scan literally shows its a bruse not big damage.

Only once did Yuta even channel her curse into power, and only after being smacked around by Suguru did Yuta adapt and properly utilize Cursed Energy Reinforcement, which is a conscious and active ability, relying upon one's control and one's output, the latter of which Yuta is explicitly "on the weaker side" of. Yuta was not drawing upon the full power of Rika continuously throughout the fight.

Again you are mixing up with current Yuta & Rika and JJK0 Yuta & Rika. Also I already explained regarding weaker side above regarding him Reinforcing himself to match Yuji's raws power. It has nothing to do with he is weaker or something additionally that's irrelevant to scaling JJk0 characters..

I'm not arguing JJK0 Only Yuta ~Geto.
My point is JJk0 Rika and Yuta together ~ Geto.
Also you should know Playful Cloud doesn't have any CT. It's power is based on users own strength. Geto was able to contend with Both Yuta and Rika.

For the the fact Miguel durability scales to Gojos output too as he tanked attacks without even getting any brushes or scars. No need to assume Gojo's output is not reachable by other characters in JJK0.

For three months.
Because the curse tethering a Special Grade Vengeful Spirit was broken.
And, the Rika that Yuta uses against Ryu and Uro is described as Rika's will left within Yuta before her passing.

Your scan itself states last remnants of Rika left was currently used by Yuta. Remnants means small amount. Also what 3 months has anything to do with what I said? The fact he got Downgraded and needed time to make an comeback Is facts.

remnant

1. a small piece or amount of something that is left from a larger original…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Only her time constraints.

Check above regarding what remnants means he does not have Original Rikas full power. Only thing Yuta increased his own sts.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Also Geto fought Completely Manifested Rika.
Scan 1 - can attack both of them.
Scan 2 - Defend against both of them

 

[Nullflowerblush]

For the the fact Miguel durability scales to Gojos output too as he tanked attacks without even getting any brushes or scars. No need to assume Gojo's output is not reachable by other characters in JJK0.

Oh, Miguel scales to Satoru Gojo?
I concede, then.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Oh, Miguel scales to Satoru Gojo?
I concede, then.

Yeah.
Btw I suggest we should rewrite Kenny AP section like this.

Spoiler

At least Small Town level (Should be comparable, if not superior, to Adult Geto. Stopped Miwa's katana with one hand. Physically overpowered Choso multiple times and fought both Awakened Choso and injured Yuki for some extended time period); Varies (Possesses a wide variety of Cursed Spirits), from Multi-City Block level (Even low-level Curses can overpower Choso) to Small Town level (Possesses Kurourushi, who can battle with Yuta and Uro. Possesses numerous Special Grade Cursed Spirits, like Ganesha) via Cursed Spirit Manipulation, At least Small Town level via Maximum: Uzumaki (Is a combination of his numerous Cursed Spirits. A miniature Uzumaki nearly killed Yuki); At least Multi-City Block level via Antigravity System (Completely immobilized Choso instantly); At least Small Town level via Womb Profusion (Could overpower Yuki with Antigravity System with his Domain Expansion active)

 

[Nullflowerblush]

& Yuki's Shikigami instantly

wasn't garuda weakened

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

wasn't garuda weakened

Never mind. I didn't noticed Garuda escaped from Kenjaku gravity. Change that back to multi city block level.

 

[Catpija]

I guess if Yuta and Rika could output nation-generating Cursed Energy continuously, that'd work, but Yuta is explicitly "on the weaker side" of Cursed Energy output, and Yuta has to actively build up Rika's power.

This is definitely out of the context. Yuta was referring to how he is physically weak but got around that using cursed energy reinforcement.

 

[Damage3245]

The OP seems good to me.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The OP seems good to me.

This is the latest agreed rating btw. OP still not updated so it's better to review this..

Yeah.
Btw I suggest we should rewrite Kenny AP section like this.

Spoiler

At least Small Town level (Should be comparable, if not superior, to Adult Geto. Stopped Miwa's katana with one hand. Physically overpowered Choso multiple times and fought both Awakened Choso and injured Yuki for some extended time period); Varies (Possesses a wide variety of Cursed Spirits), from Multi-City Block level (Even low-level Curses can overpower Choso) to Small Town level (Possesses Kurourushi, who can battle with Yuta and Uro. Possesses numerous Special Grade Cursed Spirits, like Ganesha) via Cursed Spirit Manipulation, At least Small Town level via Maximum: Uzumaki (Is a combination of his numerous Cursed Spirits. A miniature Uzumaki nearly killed Yuki); At least Multi-City Block level via Antigravity System (Completely immobilized Choso instantly); At least Small Town level via Womb Profusion (Could overpower Yuki with Antigravity System with his Domain Expansion active)

 

[Dalesean027]

OP makes sense to me as well

 

[Nullflowerblush]

If this means anything, according to Akutami themselves, Kenjaku has a higher grip strength than Satoru and is a physical match in energy-less hand-to-hand combat.

 

[Arkenis]

If this means anything, according to Akutami themselves, Kenjaku has a higher grip strength than Satoru and is a physical match in energy-less hand-to-hand combat.

This just helps put him above others in LS.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

"Ignoring Toji and Maki, Kenjaku and Gojo are about the same level."

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

How consistent is the statement?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

How consistent is the statement?

Eh?

Satoru and Kenjaku are rarely engaged in close-quarters, hand-to-hand combat. Although Kenjaku could easily dominate Choso, and in 2017, and Suguru briefly overpowered a Yuta/Fully Manifested Rika (albeit before he properly reinforced), Satoru fighting equally with 19F+1H Sukuna brings the validity into question, though.

Perhaps Kenjaku is genuinely in the top five in terms of physical strength (ignoring the "physically gifted"); he seldom demonstrates said strength.

 

[Arkenis]

"Ignoring Toji and Maki, Kenjaku and Gojo are about the same level."

The statement says without curse energy, what are you trying to use this for?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

For Attack Potency.
The topic of the thread.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

In fact, the images accompanying the question reference Satoru's fight with Mahito's Group in Shibuya.