Cursed Energy as a UES (Jujutsu Kaisen)

[Duedate8898]

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[JnSteHar002]

This might be stupid to ask, but how do Domain Expansions factor into this?

 

[Duedate8898]

They shouldn't really, as Sukuna displays the ability to perform a domain expansion regardless of his output and the way domains are described output in relation to domain expansions is separate. Though ultimately they should be a separate thread since their scaling and nature isn't pivotal for whether or not CE is a UES

 

[JnSteHar002]

They shouldn't really, as Sukuna displays the ability to perform a domain expansion regardless of his output and the way domains are described output in relation to domain expansions is separate. Though ultimately they should be a separate thread since their scaling and nature isn't pivotal for whether or not CE is a UES

That was the only question/concern I can think off. Still in Agreement for UES!

 

[JnSteHar002]

Been a couple weeks, should we start trying to get other people involved?

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

This looks quite good as far as I can tell. CE looks pretty analogous to Chakra from Naruto, in the same way chakra powers jutsus and physical statistics, CE powers cursed techniques and physicals too.
I can see some people arguing against this, although I don’t really understand how CE contradicts the UES criteria. If we have a quick look at it, we find the following:

In order to qualify for a Universal Energy System and do scaling according to it, a character or the system they are using needs to fulfill all criteria for a Non-physical Energy System. Additionally, they have to demonstrate that they can channel their power through their own bodies in a way that quantifiably enhances them or otherwise allows scaling of their supernatural powers through their physicals. Hence there should be evidence that an increase in power / energy should correspond to a proportional increase in the potency of their physical statistics. In the rare case that it is relevant for scaling the reverse should also be demonstrated: That a feat of non-empowered physical strength applies to the amount of supernatural power. Visual evidence of amplification is not considered necessary.

And CE does just that, there are various explicit statements and showings of CE enhancing both physical strength and durability, which already suffice for CE to qualify as a UES.
The only possible defeaters I can think of would be there being several occasions where CTs are seen to be notably superior to CE-enhanced physical strikes, which I don’t recall being the case.

So yeah, I agree to the OP.

 

[Epyriel]

Clover, if you go further down on the page, you'll see underneath the first explanation going into UES it says: If they have other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.

And furthermore, when going into proving whether or not something is any of the three listed systems none of the requirements are that you need it to be 1-1. In fact, all we get is that in limited systems you have to prove that a similar amount of energy has to go into different attacks.

This seems fair. Needing an exact 1:1 in order to assume you can generally scale characters’ physical stats to the AP of their abilities when they draw from the same power source seems needlessly restrictive, and I doubt almost any verse that is generally accepted as a UES would actually live up to that standard.

For the Force for instance, it is true that most characters demonstrate similar physical power to their raw telekinesis, but there are notable outliers. For instance characters with a lot of natural talent and raw potential typically find it easier to channel the Force into raw augmentation leading to, for example, Savage Opress overpowering Darth Sidious in a bladelock despite being effortlessly overpowered in raw telekinesis mere moments before. Or Obi-Wan Kenobi telekinetically stalemating Darth Vader despite being easily out-muscled seconds prior.

In my eyes, the practical takeaway should be that in a UES if you are presented with a random character from the verse it would safe to assume both their physical stats and extenuating abilities would scale to the same tier. This is true in Star Wars (with only a couple notable exceptions) and similarly true in JJK. I agree with this thread.

 

[KingTempest]

This seems fair. Needing an exact 1:1 in order to assume you can generally scale characters’ physical stats to the AP of their abilities when they draw from the same power source seems needlessly restrictive, and I doubt almost any verse that is generally accepted as a UES would actually live up to that standard.

For the Force for instance, it is true that most characters demonstrate similar physical power to their raw telekinesis, but there are notable outliers. For instance characters with a lot of natural talent and raw potential typically find it easier to channel the Force into raw augmentation leading to, for example, Savage Opress overpowering Darth Sidious in a bladelock despite being effortlessly overpowered in raw telekinesis mere moments before. Or Obi-Wan Kenobi telekinetically stalemating Darth Vader despite being easily out-muscled seconds prior.

In my eyes, the practical takeaway should be that in a UES if you are presented with a random character from the verse it would safe to assume both their physical stats and extenuating abilities would scale to the same tier. This is true in Star Wars (with only a couple notable exceptions) and similarly true in JJK. I agree with this thread.

This has to be the worse reasoning I have ever seen in my life

 

[Epyriel]

This has to be the worse reasoning I have ever seen in my life

Care to elaborate?