Karna vs Gilgamesh

[DragonEmperor23]

Gilgamesh in base vs Karna

Speed is not equalized


Victory condition is death of the opponent

 

[Schnee_One]

Karna is a far more serious and overall better fighter, resists everything Gilgamesh has barring MAYBE EA, and crushes Gilgamesh in close quarters to the point where getting close is instant death, plus VS hardcounters Ea

Going with him

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Make it CCC Gil so that he can slap him with Ea and knock his teeth out.

 

[Schnee_One]

But 5A vs 7A

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Emp....you stole my plan to make this match >:"v

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Gil throws his chains.

 

[Schnee_One]

Karna throws his resistances

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Yes, we had that discussion. The problem with his resistances.

They are inconsistent. He cannot be damaged by Vlad and then magically resist every ability BB has. That's why it would be better to put his resistances in a key for his CCC version, just like someone like Gilgamesh has.

 

[Schnee_One]

Then change it

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

I don't see resistances to a chain that binds Divine stuff really well.

 

[Schnee_One]

I thought the chains nulled powers?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

kek velox this needed to happen<\s>

 

[Rocker1189]

Isnt Gilgamesh meant to crush every other servant. And against Karna he would not hold back.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

This match is pointless since it has already happened like twice in canon.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

When did Gil fight Karna in canon?

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

CCC and Extella

 

[Rocker1189]

Well, for one this is not CCC Gil and I suppose Gilgamesh won?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Goku vs Vegeta is allowed if you use forms that never fought each other

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Gilgamesh wasn't at full power in CCC. He was in such a weakened state that it's funny.

 

[ZeroOmar]

I think its inconclusive, while gil may have a bigger arsenal, karna can match it with kavacha and kundala and his skill with dealing with explosive projectiles since he can deal with arjuna who's literally a missile launcher on legs. The chains of heaven can be deadly against him but he can counter it with mana burst(flame). If it comes down to a Vasavi shakti vs Ea np clash I am not sure which would win since nothing proves that Ea>VS and Vasavi shakti has some feats comparable to Ea like destroying Achilles's shield and killing Sefar and like Ramesses the Sun King said the fight already happened 2 times in canon like in ccc where gil won and extella where karna won so overall I believe its inconclusive

 

[DragonEmperor23]

This isn't CCC or Extella Gil or Karna though.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

One look at descriptions of Ea and Vasavi Shakti and you can easily conclude which is more powerful.

 

[Schnee_One]

And yet one is 5A and one is 6C

 

[ZeroOmar]

This isn't CCC or Extella Gil or Karna though.

Doesn't base gil still possess the planet level enuma elish tho?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yes.

 

[ZeroOmar]

One look at descriptions of Ea and Vasavi Shakti and you can easily conclude which is more powerful.

Umm, I usually use feats instead of flowery language

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

It's a description of what its effect does. Hardly flowery.

 

[ZeroOmar]

Still doesn't prove that its stronger than VS, its true that Ea bends the fabric of reality and temporarily exposes the target to the other side by destroying gaia's RM(unofficial term) but it will immediately get patched up by rhon and the other pillers of light, while that's incredibly powerful its not something that can't be hoped to match. going by feats the greatest thing Ea achieved was killing a nerfed tiamat which is hardly better than killing Sefar, and VS destroying a shield which is stated to be capable of tanking any np that isn't anti world proves the fact that both of them are comparable so as far as i am concerned both are just really powerfull beamus and its impossible to decide which is stronger unless they actually clash

 

[Everything12]

I vote Gilgamesh for Sha Naqba Imuru, Enkidu, and Ea.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

There is so much wrong with that post.

 

[ZeroOmar]

Like?

 

[RegisNex1232]

Gil explicitly stops messing around against top tier Servants like Karna and Enkidu, has decent counters to most of Karna's moveset and an arguably stronger NP in terms of damage. He takes this 9/10 times with the 1 loss being from when Gil jobs for fun.

 

[First_Witch]

Gil chains the living crap out of Karna and slaps an Enuma Elish at his face for reasons above

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Gilgamesh: 3 (Everything,RegisNex, First Witch)

Incon: 1 (ZeroOmar)

Karna: 1 (Gargoyle One)

 

[BLACKWATHERRR]

It stated that Karna is shoulder to shoulder with Gilgamesh from Extra material, and said by Karna that he can win against Gilgamesh is 50%.

They have fought 3 times and Karna won twice (not included Link yet)

Gilgamesh has more versitlie with Gate of Babylon but Karna can resist 90% anything from Gilgamesh. Combined by his Mana Burst and his Armor, A+ noble phantasm is useless so Gilgamesh need to use more powerful than A+.

Enuma Elish is one of the strongest noble phantasm among other but Vasavi Shakti is also one of the strongest. While its true EE has more flowery word (return to beggining and such) than VS (kill everything even gods), its was stated that the full power EA is equal or higher than Excalibur, so im sure VS is not far behind. Probably equal or more powerful.

Its all come down whatever Chain of Heaven, Enkidu is work on him. Karna has A divinity which is very effective for Enkidu, but he has Mana Burst to temporary increses his parameter stats as well his armor that reduce anything to 90%. Not to mention his willpower is very strong, enough to make him alive evven tho he already look like a zombie (by Gilgamesh)

So, i trust what Karna said in Extella so it will be 50%/50%

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Voting for Gilgamesh fra.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Gilgamesh: 4 (Everything,RegisNex, First Witch, ThisIsMySwag)

Incon: 2 (ZeroOmar,BLACKWATHERR)

Karna: 1 (Gargoyle One)

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Gilly-boy FRA

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Gilgamesh: 5 (Everything,RegisNex, First Witch, ThisIsMySwag, ApiesDeathbyLazors)

Incon: 2 (ZeroOmar,BLACKWATHERR)

Karna: 1 (Gargoyle One)

 

[Schnee_One]

Meh, Gil FRA assuming this isn't redundant