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Finalizing everything on Kamen Rider related to Decade and Zi-O for the wiki will take awhile, but that doesn't mean we can't cover some scaling. In this thread, I will tackle some revamps to the Zi-O Riders' scaling, as well as some older ones in relation to it. First, lets cover the most basic part
Zi-O Form Scaling
For the "Pre-Grand Zi-O" key, we currently have Base Zi-O (and Rider Armours that aren't Decade) are 8-B, while the Decade Armour is At least 1-C. These are both correct and accurate tierings, but there's an issue. Zi-O II isn't considered stronger than the Decade Armour, when it certainly should. There are a few reasons for this. First of all, as the second Super Form for Zi-O, it is narratively portrayed as superior to the Decade Armour. Moving forwards, Sougo favours it more than he does the Decade Armour against more powerful opponents (previously, the Decade Armour was the stronger form he had access to). Characters such as Geiz also marvel at the power of Zi-O II noticeably more than the Decade Armour. If we really want to break down the justifications here, the usual format of form progression in a season of Kamen Rider backs up that this form is stronger. If that's still not enough evidence, the official playback of the episode where we first see this form says "Two Ride Watches, one gold and one silver, set into Jikuudoraiver! Sougo transformed into Zi-O II, transcending the power of all Riders.". Obviously, this quote is ignoring stronger presences such as Ohma Zi-O, but its clear enough that its Sougo's strongest form until the next ones he attains.
Because of this, the Pre-Grand Zi-O key for Sougo should look like this:
8-B, At least 1-C with Decade Armor, higher as Zi-O II
City Block level (Destroyed a meteor with the Fourze Armour). At least Complex Multiverse level with Decade Armor (Holds half of Decade's power), higher as Zi-O II (Far stronger than the Decade Armor. Deftly defeated and destroyed Another Ryuga)
(Note: Another Ryuga would be equal to Another Ryuki, who clashed with Decade Armour Zi-O. A little more on that below)
Of course, this changes some things. Geiz Revive obviously scales due to fighting on par with Zi-O II. Woz Ginga Finally has the power of Kamen Rider Ginga, who defeated Zi-O II. Zi-O Trinity is displayed as superior to Zi-O II and Woz Ginga Finally. I think you get the idea. But that's not all this scaling revision changes.
Anotherwatch Scaling
Here's a really basic refresher on how Another Rider creation affects Riders. If an Another Riders are created in the year of a Rider's "origination" (such as Another Ghost being created in 2015, when Takeru became Kamen Rider Ghost), then the original Rider's history, memories, and powers are altered. 2015 being altered by Another Ghost's creation prevents Takeru from becoming Kamen Rider Ghost. However, if an Another Rider is created in 2019 (when Zi-O takes place), then the correlating Rider is left unaltered. Essentially, Riders who aren't altered due to either some kind of immunity, or an Another Rider creation in 2019, remain as their canonical selves. Because of this, we can scale those who "remain canon" to certain Zi-O ratings. The following will be proposed revised ratings for said Riders:
Blade
Street level normally (Knocked out armoured soldiers with his strikes, as well as overpowered them), Small City level as Joker Undead (Should be comparable to original Joker Undead) | Small Building level (Defeated Leangle, who can freeze Undeads entirely), Varies up to Small City level with fusion rates (Has an unusually high fusion coefficiency with the Change Beetle Rouze Card, so much that he could even fought on par with a Category King Undead) | Small Building level (1.5x stronger than his Ace Form), Varies up to Small City level with fusion rates | Small City level (Royal Straight Flush attack produced this much energy), Varies but far higher with fusion rates (His Rouze Level boosts should be no weaker than before) | City Block level in Ace Form (Traded blows with Chalice. Defeated both Chalice and Another Blade with his Rider Kick), higher in Jack Form (1.5x stronger than his Ace Form), Small City level in King Form, Varies but far higher with fusion rates
Key: Kazuma Kenzaki | Kamen Rider Blade (Ace Form) | Jack Form | King Form | Post-Series
Chalice
Street level normally (Harmed Kazuma Kenzaki), Small City level as Joker Undead (Can match Blade King Form in combat) | Small Building level (Comparable to Blade), Varies up to Small City level | Small City level (Fought against Blade's King Form), Varies with fusion rates (His Rouze Level boosts should be no weaker than before) | City Block level as Chalice (Defeated Gaim Armor Zi-O), Small City level as Wild Chalice
Key: Hajime Aikawa | Kamen Rider Chalice (Ace Form) | Wild Chalice | Post-Series
Agito
Human level | At least Building level (Has destroyed several Minor Lords, who are stated to be more powerful than the Gurongi, the weakest of which such as Me-Giiga-Gi being capable of vaporizing concrete. Killed Hydrozoa Ignio, who produced natural lightning to attack his enemies) | Island level (Defeated the El of the Water, who can form a storm cloud that spans all the way to the horizon in every direction) | Large Star level (Harmed the OverLord of Darkness with his Rider Kick, who moved the stars forming the constellation of Scorpius into a cross) | At least Complex Multiverse level in Base Forms (Easily took on his Another Rider as well as its copies, the likes of which were capable of wrestling with Zi-O II and Geiz Revive, as well as tiring them out in combat), higher in Trinity Form (Fought alongside Zi-O Trinity), far higher in stronger forms
Key: Shouichi Tsugami | Kamen Rider Agito | Burning Agito | Shining Agito | Post-Series
Ryuki
Wall level (Hurt Ren Akiyama, who could harm him) | Large Town level (Comparable to Kamen Rider Zolda) | At least Large Town level (This form is much more powerful than his base form) | At least Complex Multiverse level (After being declared the winner of the Rider War, Ryuki fought evenly with Another Ryuki, the latter of which is capable of clashing with Decade Armor Zi-O)
Key: Shinji Kido | Base Form | Survive Form | Post-Sara Empowerment
Odin
Human level | At least Large Town level (Vastly stronger than the other Riders in the Rider Battle. Fought on even grounds with Ryuki Survive and Knight Survive, and was shown to be capable of overpowering the latter) | At least Complex Multiverse level (Briefly gave Decade Armor Zi-O trouble in battle)
Keys: Shiro Kanzaki | Kamen Rider Odin | 2019
Gatack
Wall level (Harmed Souji Tendo with a punch, which he even admitted was impressive. Fought off several Salis Worms, which are capable of charging and bursting through concrete walls) | Small Planet level (Comparable to Kamen Rider Kabuto. Zecter Riders are two times weaker than their Hyper Forms), can ignore durability with Finishers | Small Planet level (Hyper Forms have the power to create eclipses), can ignore durability with Finishers | At least Complex Multiverse level as Gatack (Overwhelmed KickHopper's Rider Kick, the latter of which could inflict harm onto Futuring Woz Ginga Finally. Evenly traded blows with PunchHopper, who was capable of harming Zi-O II and fought with Geiz Revive), higher as Kabuto (Defeated Another Kabuto, who was much stronger than Gatack, even blocking one of his finishers meant to defeat PunchHopper), even higher in Hyper Forms
Key: Arata Kagami | Kamen Rider Gatack | Hyper Gatack Form | Post-Series
KickHopper
Wall level (Harmed and overpowered a Salis Worm, which are capable of charging and bursting through concrete walls. Harmed Shun Kageyama) | Small Planet level (Comparable to Base Form Kabuto), can ignore durability with Finishers | At least Complex Multiverse level (Damaged Futuring Woz Ginga Finally with his Rider Kick) | At least Complex Multiverse level (Much stronger than Gatack, defeating him, as well as blocking one of his finishers meant to defeat PunchHopper)
Key: Sou Yaguruma | Kamen Rider TheBee/KickHopper | Kamen Rider KickHopper (2019) | Another Kabuto
PunchHopper
Wall level (As a member of the elite Shadow, Kageyama is proficient fighter who was known to have combated Salis Worms, which can burst through concrete walls) | Small Planet level (Comparable to KickHopper) | At least Complex Multiverse level (Harmed Zi-O II. Fought with Geiz Revive)
Key: Shun Kageyama | Kamen Rider PunchHopper (Main Series) | Kamen Rider PunchHopper (2019)
Zeronos
Wall level (Capable of harming Deneb, who jumped off a very tall building and stuck the landing like it was nothing, which would yield this level) | Multi-City Block level (Comparable to Kamen Rider Den-O), City level with finishers (Should scale to Den-O Gun Form's own finishers, which draws energy from the Dragon Storm capable of summoning storms), at least City level, likely higher with ZeroLiner (Scales to the DenLiner which casually killed the GiganDeath Heaven) | At least Multi-City Block level (Stronger than before), City level with finishers, at least City level, likely higher with ZeroLiner | At least Complex Multiverse level in Altair and Vega Form (Fought Zi-O Trinity twice, with Geiz commending Zeronos' strength in their first fight), higher in Zero Form
Key: Yuto Sakurai | Altair/Vega Form | Zero Form | 2019
These changes also add extra justification to Complete 21 Decade's rating. Here's what it'd be altered to:
At least Complex Multiverse level (Far stronger than before, surpassing the combined likes of Grand Zi-O, Shining Agito, and Kiwami Gaim due to the powers bestowed upon him in this form. His death restored the multiverse to its original state after it was destroyed by Oma Zi-O)
Hold on though. Den-O wasn't affected either. Shouldn't he be included here too? Well, Den-O may require some more discussion in the future regarding more revisions than just Zi-O related content, so let's avoid talking about him. At least for this thread.
New Tier 1 Key for Drive
This isn't related to the Zi-O stuff, but its a lot more simple so I thought I might as well tackle this. A Tier 1 key for Drive? How'd he get that? Well, its not as huge as you may think. In the canonical crossover Kamen Rider × Kamen Rider Drive & Gaim: Movie War Full Throttle, Drive briefly used a Shift Car granted to him by The Woman of the Beginning that lets him keep up with Man of the Beginning Gaim. The Shift Fruits grant Drive the form of Type Fruits. Integrating this briefly used form on his page would look like this:
Wall level (Charged through a wooden wall alongside Go) | City level (Defeated the Beast Dopant alongside Kamen Rider Accel) | Large Country level (Overpowered the Robol Bugster, who was on par with Dr. Pac-Man's other Bugsters that were equal in power to Deep Specter) | At least Large Country level (Much stronger than before. Destroyed Post-Remodelling Mashin Chaser) | Moon level+ (Traded attacks with Sigma Circular who created the Second Global Freeze which affected over the planet and aimed to turn all life forms on Earth into energy and digits had it not been interfered with by Type Tridoron and Super Evolution Heart Roidmude. Defeated Paradox Roidmude who generated Eternal Global Freeze which completely froze any movement on Earth) | At least Complex Multiverse level (Could inflict damage onto ZZZ Megahex and ultimately destroyed him alongside Drive Arms Gaim)
Key: Shinnosuke Tomari | Kamen Rider Drive | Type Dead Heat | Type Formula | Type Tridoron and Special | Type Fruits
Conclusions
Thoughts?
Zi-O Form Scaling
For the "Pre-Grand Zi-O" key, we currently have Base Zi-O (and Rider Armours that aren't Decade) are 8-B, while the Decade Armour is At least 1-C. These are both correct and accurate tierings, but there's an issue. Zi-O II isn't considered stronger than the Decade Armour, when it certainly should. There are a few reasons for this. First of all, as the second Super Form for Zi-O, it is narratively portrayed as superior to the Decade Armour. Moving forwards, Sougo favours it more than he does the Decade Armour against more powerful opponents (previously, the Decade Armour was the stronger form he had access to). Characters such as Geiz also marvel at the power of Zi-O II noticeably more than the Decade Armour. If we really want to break down the justifications here, the usual format of form progression in a season of Kamen Rider backs up that this form is stronger. If that's still not enough evidence, the official playback of the episode where we first see this form says "Two Ride Watches, one gold and one silver, set into Jikuudoraiver! Sougo transformed into Zi-O II, transcending the power of all Riders.". Obviously, this quote is ignoring stronger presences such as Ohma Zi-O, but its clear enough that its Sougo's strongest form until the next ones he attains.
Because of this, the Pre-Grand Zi-O key for Sougo should look like this:
8-B, At least 1-C with Decade Armor, higher as Zi-O II
City Block level (Destroyed a meteor with the Fourze Armour). At least Complex Multiverse level with Decade Armor (Holds half of Decade's power), higher as Zi-O II (Far stronger than the Decade Armor. Deftly defeated and destroyed Another Ryuga)
(Note: Another Ryuga would be equal to Another Ryuki, who clashed with Decade Armour Zi-O. A little more on that below)
Of course, this changes some things. Geiz Revive obviously scales due to fighting on par with Zi-O II. Woz Ginga Finally has the power of Kamen Rider Ginga, who defeated Zi-O II. Zi-O Trinity is displayed as superior to Zi-O II and Woz Ginga Finally. I think you get the idea. But that's not all this scaling revision changes.
Anotherwatch Scaling
Here's a really basic refresher on how Another Rider creation affects Riders. If an Another Riders are created in the year of a Rider's "origination" (such as Another Ghost being created in 2015, when Takeru became Kamen Rider Ghost), then the original Rider's history, memories, and powers are altered. 2015 being altered by Another Ghost's creation prevents Takeru from becoming Kamen Rider Ghost. However, if an Another Rider is created in 2019 (when Zi-O takes place), then the correlating Rider is left unaltered. Essentially, Riders who aren't altered due to either some kind of immunity, or an Another Rider creation in 2019, remain as their canonical selves. Because of this, we can scale those who "remain canon" to certain Zi-O ratings. The following will be proposed revised ratings for said Riders:
Blade
Street level normally (Knocked out armoured soldiers with his strikes, as well as overpowered them), Small City level as Joker Undead (Should be comparable to original Joker Undead) | Small Building level (Defeated Leangle, who can freeze Undeads entirely), Varies up to Small City level with fusion rates (Has an unusually high fusion coefficiency with the Change Beetle Rouze Card, so much that he could even fought on par with a Category King Undead) | Small Building level (1.5x stronger than his Ace Form), Varies up to Small City level with fusion rates | Small City level (Royal Straight Flush attack produced this much energy), Varies but far higher with fusion rates (His Rouze Level boosts should be no weaker than before) | City Block level in Ace Form (Traded blows with Chalice. Defeated both Chalice and Another Blade with his Rider Kick), higher in Jack Form (1.5x stronger than his Ace Form), Small City level in King Form, Varies but far higher with fusion rates
Key: Kazuma Kenzaki | Kamen Rider Blade (Ace Form) | Jack Form | King Form | Post-Series
Chalice
Street level normally (Harmed Kazuma Kenzaki), Small City level as Joker Undead (Can match Blade King Form in combat) | Small Building level (Comparable to Blade), Varies up to Small City level | Small City level (Fought against Blade's King Form), Varies with fusion rates (His Rouze Level boosts should be no weaker than before) | City Block level as Chalice (Defeated Gaim Armor Zi-O), Small City level as Wild Chalice
Key: Hajime Aikawa | Kamen Rider Chalice (Ace Form) | Wild Chalice | Post-Series
Agito
Human level | At least Building level (Has destroyed several Minor Lords, who are stated to be more powerful than the Gurongi, the weakest of which such as Me-Giiga-Gi being capable of vaporizing concrete. Killed Hydrozoa Ignio, who produced natural lightning to attack his enemies) | Island level (Defeated the El of the Water, who can form a storm cloud that spans all the way to the horizon in every direction) | Large Star level (Harmed the OverLord of Darkness with his Rider Kick, who moved the stars forming the constellation of Scorpius into a cross) | At least Complex Multiverse level in Base Forms (Easily took on his Another Rider as well as its copies, the likes of which were capable of wrestling with Zi-O II and Geiz Revive, as well as tiring them out in combat), higher in Trinity Form (Fought alongside Zi-O Trinity), far higher in stronger forms
Key: Shouichi Tsugami | Kamen Rider Agito | Burning Agito | Shining Agito | Post-Series
Ryuki
Wall level (Hurt Ren Akiyama, who could harm him) | Large Town level (Comparable to Kamen Rider Zolda) | At least Large Town level (This form is much more powerful than his base form) | At least Complex Multiverse level (After being declared the winner of the Rider War, Ryuki fought evenly with Another Ryuki, the latter of which is capable of clashing with Decade Armor Zi-O)
Key: Shinji Kido | Base Form | Survive Form | Post-Sara Empowerment
Odin
Human level | At least Large Town level (Vastly stronger than the other Riders in the Rider Battle. Fought on even grounds with Ryuki Survive and Knight Survive, and was shown to be capable of overpowering the latter) | At least Complex Multiverse level (Briefly gave Decade Armor Zi-O trouble in battle)
Keys: Shiro Kanzaki | Kamen Rider Odin | 2019
Gatack
Wall level (Harmed Souji Tendo with a punch, which he even admitted was impressive. Fought off several Salis Worms, which are capable of charging and bursting through concrete walls) | Small Planet level (Comparable to Kamen Rider Kabuto. Zecter Riders are two times weaker than their Hyper Forms), can ignore durability with Finishers | Small Planet level (Hyper Forms have the power to create eclipses), can ignore durability with Finishers | At least Complex Multiverse level as Gatack (Overwhelmed KickHopper's Rider Kick, the latter of which could inflict harm onto Futuring Woz Ginga Finally. Evenly traded blows with PunchHopper, who was capable of harming Zi-O II and fought with Geiz Revive), higher as Kabuto (Defeated Another Kabuto, who was much stronger than Gatack, even blocking one of his finishers meant to defeat PunchHopper), even higher in Hyper Forms
Key: Arata Kagami | Kamen Rider Gatack | Hyper Gatack Form | Post-Series
KickHopper
Wall level (Harmed and overpowered a Salis Worm, which are capable of charging and bursting through concrete walls. Harmed Shun Kageyama) | Small Planet level (Comparable to Base Form Kabuto), can ignore durability with Finishers | At least Complex Multiverse level (Damaged Futuring Woz Ginga Finally with his Rider Kick) | At least Complex Multiverse level (Much stronger than Gatack, defeating him, as well as blocking one of his finishers meant to defeat PunchHopper)
Key: Sou Yaguruma | Kamen Rider TheBee/KickHopper | Kamen Rider KickHopper (2019) | Another Kabuto
PunchHopper
Wall level (As a member of the elite Shadow, Kageyama is proficient fighter who was known to have combated Salis Worms, which can burst through concrete walls) | Small Planet level (Comparable to KickHopper) | At least Complex Multiverse level (Harmed Zi-O II. Fought with Geiz Revive)
Key: Shun Kageyama | Kamen Rider PunchHopper (Main Series) | Kamen Rider PunchHopper (2019)
Zeronos
Wall level (Capable of harming Deneb, who jumped off a very tall building and stuck the landing like it was nothing, which would yield this level) | Multi-City Block level (Comparable to Kamen Rider Den-O), City level with finishers (Should scale to Den-O Gun Form's own finishers, which draws energy from the Dragon Storm capable of summoning storms), at least City level, likely higher with ZeroLiner (Scales to the DenLiner which casually killed the GiganDeath Heaven) | At least Multi-City Block level (Stronger than before), City level with finishers, at least City level, likely higher with ZeroLiner | At least Complex Multiverse level in Altair and Vega Form (Fought Zi-O Trinity twice, with Geiz commending Zeronos' strength in their first fight), higher in Zero Form
Key: Yuto Sakurai | Altair/Vega Form | Zero Form | 2019
These changes also add extra justification to Complete 21 Decade's rating. Here's what it'd be altered to:
At least Complex Multiverse level (Far stronger than before, surpassing the combined likes of Grand Zi-O, Shining Agito, and Kiwami Gaim due to the powers bestowed upon him in this form. His death restored the multiverse to its original state after it was destroyed by Oma Zi-O)
Hold on though. Den-O wasn't affected either. Shouldn't he be included here too? Well, Den-O may require some more discussion in the future regarding more revisions than just Zi-O related content, so let's avoid talking about him. At least for this thread.
New Tier 1 Key for Drive
This isn't related to the Zi-O stuff, but its a lot more simple so I thought I might as well tackle this. A Tier 1 key for Drive? How'd he get that? Well, its not as huge as you may think. In the canonical crossover Kamen Rider × Kamen Rider Drive & Gaim: Movie War Full Throttle, Drive briefly used a Shift Car granted to him by The Woman of the Beginning that lets him keep up with Man of the Beginning Gaim. The Shift Fruits grant Drive the form of Type Fruits. Integrating this briefly used form on his page would look like this:
Wall level (Charged through a wooden wall alongside Go) | City level (Defeated the Beast Dopant alongside Kamen Rider Accel) | Large Country level (Overpowered the Robol Bugster, who was on par with Dr. Pac-Man's other Bugsters that were equal in power to Deep Specter) | At least Large Country level (Much stronger than before. Destroyed Post-Remodelling Mashin Chaser) | Moon level+ (Traded attacks with Sigma Circular who created the Second Global Freeze which affected over the planet and aimed to turn all life forms on Earth into energy and digits had it not been interfered with by Type Tridoron and Super Evolution Heart Roidmude. Defeated Paradox Roidmude who generated Eternal Global Freeze which completely froze any movement on Earth) | At least Complex Multiverse level (Could inflict damage onto ZZZ Megahex and ultimately destroyed him alongside Drive Arms Gaim)
Key: Shinnosuke Tomari | Kamen Rider Drive | Type Dead Heat | Type Formula | Type Tridoron and Special | Type Fruits
Conclusions
- Zi-O II, as well as forms and Riders originating from Kamen Rider Zi-O are upgraded to Tier 1
- Riders unaltered either due to Another Riders being created in 2019 (ex. Agito) or unique immunities (ex. Zeronos) earn additional keys in regards to their Zi-O appearances
- Drive gets a Tier 1 key for Type Fruits
Thoughts?
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