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I was waiting for this for a while, but CRTs were closed so I kept my mouth shut. I checked that the Kaguya and the Narutoverse tags had no recent CRTs, so I thought it would be alright for me to make this.
I had a conversation with a few people in this thread about Kaguya, and it was revealed to me that she got her upgrade to Star level because she created a dimension with a star, then connected it to the Truthseeking orb. Now, here's my issue.
I'll just send my message from the post verbatim because it's easier for me to explain than to make up stuff off the spot.
"Please note, the Naruto Fourth databook and above has not been officially translated, so we can't take anything that looks official (Kaguya's stuff and Kinshiki's planet splitting) at face value.
It was stated that she created the dimensions here, but this is what I'm claiming to be a mistranslation with proof.
This is the raw scan I found via this link under Fourth Databooks, Databook Raws. This link says changes instead of creates. This link goes to the imgur where scans that me and a few others picked up, just some translations and one of them has the manga next to it.
Just to back it up, the manga agrees and says that she summons, changes, and rewrites the world. It never says she created it.
Also backed up by Kamui translations, and how the dimension/time-space was created by Obito's eye, not Obito. It says "A dojutsu that transfers objects into the dimension created with the Mangekyo Sharingan". We don't visibly see the Kamui dimension being created, but we can just assume for now that it appeared when Obito got his Mangekyo Sharingan, same with Kaguya.
It's stated that it takes immense amounts of chakra to go to dimensions/time-spaces that aren't your own (even Kaguya was losing chakra when she was changing the world around them), yet Sasuke (the day Naruto became Hokage OVA and in Boruto manga when he went to the space with the Otsutsuki holograms ), Momoshiki, Kinshiki, and Urashiki (Boruto anime) can each go there casually.
From what we know, they just appeared when the eye was created, just like Kamui dimension."
So unless I'm wrong about the reasoning for her upgrade, or there's any counters that I'm missing, I honestly believe the max she should be at is Planet Level with Expansive Truthseeking Orb. But here's another counter for that as well. This one is new because I haven't put this under any threads yet.
Kaguya is basically the God Tree. The God Tree takes chakra from the planet, making all of it in total a planetary amount of chakra. Half of the nine tails rivaled 5 bijuu and is equal to its other half. Half of the nine tails had more chakra than the entire shinobi alliance.
So if you do the math, that's minimum 75% of the original chakra that was in the planet that wasn't in the expansive truthseeking orb, not even including the Eight, One, and Four tails. They specifically said other chakra, so the Shinobis chakra, not the bijuus, were used for that.
Most of the Shinobi that know how to mold chakra died. All Kaguya had was a couple hundreds of Shinobi and animals and civilians that barely knew how to mold chakra. So unless those other civilians match up all that I said above, nope.
Turn that into Attack Potency: Moon+ to Small Planet level with the Expansive Truth Seeking Ball. This is all backed up by how the Databook said (in my links for the first point) that she would reshape the world, not destroy it.
If you need any more scans or information, let me know.
I had a conversation with a few people in this thread about Kaguya, and it was revealed to me that she got her upgrade to Star level because she created a dimension with a star, then connected it to the Truthseeking orb. Now, here's my issue.
Kaguya's Dimensions
Where was it ever stated that she created it?I'll just send my message from the post verbatim because it's easier for me to explain than to make up stuff off the spot.
"Please note, the Naruto Fourth databook and above has not been officially translated, so we can't take anything that looks official (Kaguya's stuff and Kinshiki's planet splitting) at face value.
It was stated that she created the dimensions here, but this is what I'm claiming to be a mistranslation with proof.
This is the raw scan I found via this link under Fourth Databooks, Databook Raws. This link says changes instead of creates. This link goes to the imgur where scans that me and a few others picked up, just some translations and one of them has the manga next to it.
Just to back it up, the manga agrees and says that she summons, changes, and rewrites the world. It never says she created it.
Also backed up by Kamui translations, and how the dimension/time-space was created by Obito's eye, not Obito. It says "A dojutsu that transfers objects into the dimension created with the Mangekyo Sharingan". We don't visibly see the Kamui dimension being created, but we can just assume for now that it appeared when Obito got his Mangekyo Sharingan, same with Kaguya.
It's stated that it takes immense amounts of chakra to go to dimensions/time-spaces that aren't your own (even Kaguya was losing chakra when she was changing the world around them), yet Sasuke (the day Naruto became Hokage OVA and in Boruto manga when he went to the space with the Otsutsuki holograms ), Momoshiki, Kinshiki, and Urashiki (Boruto anime) can each go there casually.
From what we know, they just appeared when the eye was created, just like Kamui dimension."
So unless I'm wrong about the reasoning for her upgrade, or there's any counters that I'm missing, I honestly believe the max she should be at is Planet Level with Expansive Truthseeking Orb. But here's another counter for that as well. This one is new because I haven't put this under any threads yet.
Expansive Truthseeking Orb
The Expansive Truthseeking Ball was stated here to absorb the chakra of the shinobi under the Infinite Tsukuyomi. I would need to prove somehow that the amount of chakra in the ETSO was not a planetary amount of chakra.Kaguya is basically the God Tree. The God Tree takes chakra from the planet, making all of it in total a planetary amount of chakra. Half of the nine tails rivaled 5 bijuu and is equal to its other half. Half of the nine tails had more chakra than the entire shinobi alliance.
So if you do the math, that's minimum 75% of the original chakra that was in the planet that wasn't in the expansive truthseeking orb, not even including the Eight, One, and Four tails. They specifically said other chakra, so the Shinobis chakra, not the bijuus, were used for that.
Most of the Shinobi that know how to mold chakra died. All Kaguya had was a couple hundreds of Shinobi and animals and civilians that barely knew how to mold chakra. So unless those other civilians match up all that I said above, nope.
So here's my revision.
Attack Potency: Large Star level with the Expansive Truth Seeking Ball (Kaguya's dimensions contain Stars and Planets and her ETSB is capable of destroying and re-creating them, but this does not scale to her normal statistics)Turn that into Attack Potency: Moon+ to Small Planet level with the Expansive Truth Seeking Ball. This is all backed up by how the Databook said (in my links for the first point) that she would reshape the world, not destroy it.
If you need any more scans or information, let me know.
