Juvia vs Glaceon

[Drite77]

True, also, do we considered that Ice Beam have his anime properties?

 

[GyroNutz]

We should, the 10% freeze thing is game mechanics

 

[First_Witch]

True, also, do we considered that Ice Beam have his anime properties?

Anime is secondary canon iirc, so yes. Not to mention that 10% freezing chance is game mechanics either way.

 

[Drite77]

Soooo, Juvia is kinda screwed here, since Glaceon will know that Ice Beam is really effective against Juvia via his IQ Skill Weak-Type Picker

 

[HenryWong122]

Soooo, Juvia is kinda screwed here, since Glaceon will know that Ice Beam is really effective against Juvia via his IQ Skill Weak-Type Picker

Juvia isn't weak to the ice itself.

 

[Drite77]

I mean, if Juvia is completely freezed, that wouldn't count as incap?

 

[Dragopentling]

Juvia doesn't have resistance to Absolute Zero?

 

[Drite77]

Her Profile says that she is vulnerable to freezing attacks

 

[Dragopentling]

Her Profile says that she is vulnerable to freezing attacks

Then with Speed equalized, Glaceon takes this in my books, unless Juvia has a distinct AP advantage. Heat Manipulation isn't complete Ice or Fire Manipulation, the latter two of which might've helped her out more, honestly. Water Manipulation doesn't exactly give her a resistance to Ice-type attacks, though it may help her defend against them to a certain degree.

However, I do wonder about the how the Elemental Intangibility works for Juvia here.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Soooo, Juvia is kinda screwed here, since Glaceon will know that Ice Beam is really effective against Juvia via his IQ Skill Weak-Type Picker

?

Weak-Type Picker: When near several enemies, Glaceon will target the one that have a type disadvantage.

This says that Glaceon targets the enemy that has a weakness to him when he's fighting multiple enemies, not that he knows the weaknesses of his enemies when he's fighting 1v1.

 

[Drite77]

I mean, i never played the MD games, but there is nothing that say that the mons there know every type of every pokemon, since there is some mons with questionable typing, but Glaceon and Ice types overall lead with Ice Beam or Hail, so that shouldn't be a problem IMO, i will ask Cal about that IQ Skill

 

[HenryWong122]

Her Profile says that she is vulnerable to freezing attacks

Then with Speed equalized, Glaceon takes this in my books, unless Juvia has a distinct AP advantage. Heat Manipulation isn't complete Ice or Fire Manipulation, the latter two of which might've helped her out more, honestly. Water Manipulation doesn't exactly give her a resistance to Ice-type attacks, though it may help her defend against them to a certain degree.
However, I do wonder about the how the Elemental Intangibility works for Juvia here.

It probably works like Vaporeon's.

 

[GyroNutz]

Hmm, weak-type picker is one of the very first IQ skills you can gain, so it's very likely that the CPU Pokemon won't know the type of every other Pokemon, especially since there are Pokemon that your partner canonically hasn't seen before.

 

[HenryWong122]

Juvia doesn't have resistance to Absolute Zero?

Vaporeon doesn't have access to Absolute Zero.

 

[Dragopentling]

Juvia doesn't have resistance to Absolute Zero?

Vaporeon doesn't have access to Absolute Zero.

Glaceon is being used here, not Vaporeon

 

[Drite77]

This is Glaceon Henry

Edit: Ninja'd

 

[Drite77]

But Glaceon also don't have access to AZ moves, so that is fine

 

[Dragopentling]

even without something like Sheer Cold, Glaceon shouldn't be an disadvantage here. Also, I know it's mentioned before, but I don't see Juvia having resistances to Ice Manipulation. That's problematic. Glaceon also has the move Hail and the ability Snow Cloak, which would present problems here for Juvia. The ability Ice Body is also optional in synergy with Hail.

 

[Drite77]

Apparently, we kinda use all abilities of the Pokemon in the battle, except when they are in Mega Forms, when they can only use that ability

 

[Dragopentling]

Apparently, we kinda use all abilities of the Pokemon in the battle, except when they are in Mega Forms, when they can only use that ability

was it because of Mystery Dungeon games? Cause unless if I remembered incorrectly, Pokemon are allowed to have multiple abilities in those games.

 

[GyroNutz]

That's right, although I don't think a Pokemon can have its hidden ability + normal ability at the same time.

 

[Drite77]

I think so, and that includes the Conquest abilities, so 2 evasion for Glaceon on Hail and a range increase

 

[Dragopentling]

I think so, and that includes the Conquest abilities, so 2 evasion for Glaceon on Hail and a range increase

also with Hail, Glaceon is probably ROFL spamming Blizzard with 100% accuracy

 

[Drite77]

Glaceon is to OP with Hail, please nerf

 

[Dragopentling]

Glaceon is to OP with Hail, please nerf

At least it ain't Abomasnow (Mega or not) whose ability automatically sets up Hail, whereas he JUST spams the living begeezus outta Blizzards.

 

[Drite77]

But Abomasnow don't get 2 evasion boost and range increases, but that is debatable

 

[HenryWong122]

Hail and Blizzard both run out after 5 turns.

 

[Dragopentling]

Glaceon is to OP with Hail, please nerf

Hail and Blizzard run out after 5 turns.

I mean, if the opponent isn't frozen fodder by the time the 5 turns are up, then I guess that matters.

 

[HenryWong122]

Glaceon is to OP with Hail, please nerf

Hail and Blizzard run out after 5 turns.

I mean, if the opponent isn't frozen fodder by the time the 5 turns are up, then I guess that matters.

Well actually the opponent only has to last four turns as the turn you use Hail counts as one of the five turns.

 

[Dragopentling]

Glaceon is to OP with Hail, please nerf

Hail and Blizzard run out after 5 turns.

I mean, if the opponent isn't frozen fodder by the time the 5 turns are up, then I guess that matters.

Well actually the opponent only has to last four turns as the turn you use Hail counts as one of the five turns.

you sure about that? Also, the held item Icy Rock for non-Megas is also a thing.

 

[HenryWong122]

NB4 someone makes another comment about game mechanics when the Conquest and Mystery Dungeons IQ Skill/Abilities are game mechanics.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Conquest and PHD skills arent game mechanics they're legitimate abilities. Calling an ability from from a game a game mechanic doesn't automatically make it one

 

[Drite77]

Glaceon can't have an Icy Rock, so Hail only last for that long, but 4 Blizzard is still powerfull even when is only for 4 turns

 

[Dragopentling]

NB4 someone makes another comment about game mechanics when the Conquest and Mystery Dungeons IQ Skill/Abilities are game mechanics.

Ugh, please no...Azzy is just gonna barge in again with his huge blocks of text that have the supernatural power of somehow always making sense. I don't hate the man, just his methods

 

[Drite77]

Using anime as secondary cannon, Hail lasted long, and was only faded when the pokemon fainted

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

So...current vote?

 

[Drite77]

Uhhhhh, i think that nobody voted yet

 

[HenryWong122]

Using anime as secondary cannon, Hail lasted long, and was only faded when the pokemon fainted

We can't use Anime as a secondary cannon when there isn't even a primary cannon.

 

[Drite77]

Anime is a secondary cannon, the games and prob the magas are the primary cannon

 

[HenryWong122]

So...current vote?

1 for Juvia and IDK for Glaceon.