Justice League Action Slight Speed Downgrade

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

This link is the evidence behind Justice League Action top tiers being FTL. However, Superman is beyond the event horizon and he cannot escape the pull of the black hole. Wonder Woman was outside the event horizon (therefore doesn't need to go FTL herself) when pulling Superman out.

Obviously any showing of escaping a black hole from beyond the event horizon is a show of FTL movement, but the context here implies that Superman could not achieve this speed alone.

So maybe a key such as "At least Relativistic+, Possibly FTL" should work for the top tiers?

 

[Thelastmlg]

Yeah i agree, they didn't even stand in place or anything, they were clearly being pulled in like light does.

But does pulling something out of a black hole's event horizon warrant something like lifting strenght?

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Well a Black Hole's gravity is far more intense than Earth's, so yes it would warrant lifting strength, though I have no clue how to calc that.

 

[Crazylatin77]

Prior to that scene, Superman did manage to outrun the pull (outside of event horizon) until Lex Luthor got sucked into the black hole and needed to be saved. Then he no longer could escape on his own. I guess "At least Relativistic+, Possibly FTL" could work

 

[Thelastmlg]

So superman went from escaping a black hole to being sucked in because he had to carry lex luthor.

Jesus christ that dude is heavy.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think light is sucked in way faster than Superman in that scene.

 

[Crazylatin77]

Yeah, even when he couldn't escape event horizon, he was still resisting it

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think light is sucked in way faster than Superman in that scene.

I think that's a bit nitpicky of art, especially since nonsentient light has no reason to try to move against the pull of a black hole, unlike Superman.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Yeah, even when he couldn't escape event horizon, he was still resisting it

This was part of my reasoning behind letting him keep FTL with a "Possibly" added in front of it.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I think that's a bit nitpicky of art, especially since nonsentient light has no reason to try to move against the pull of a black hole, unlike Superman.

I meant in general. Light is sucked in almost instantly, while Superman held his own for quite a long time

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Light travels in a straight direction. Because of that we don't ever see light trying to outpace a singulsrity because that would mean light came from it.

All light that heads into a black hole were already curved to head into that direction. Superman, however, doesn't willingly let himself be pulled in like photons.

 

[Antvasima]

Prior to that scene, Superman did manage to outrun the pull (outside of event horizon) until Lex Luthor got sucked into the black hole and needed to be saved. Then he no longer could escape on his own. I guess "At least Relativistic+, Possibly FTL" could work

This is probably fine.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I think just FTL would be find since he held his own till Luthor arrived. Then he probably was exhausted.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Superman was not in the event horizon before Luthor fell in.

When Superman went to save Luthor he went past the event horizon. The reason why the event horizon is black is because at that point, even light is not fast enough to escape it. Outside the event horizon, light is fast enough to escape.

You don't have to be faster than light to escape the gravitational pull of a black hole when you're outside the event horizon, only when you're within the event horizon.

 

[Antvasima]

So is Crazylatin77's suggestion fine or not?

 

[Crazylatin77]

It's DeathstroketheHedgehog's suggestion actually. I believe it holds up since Superman was still resisting the pull inside of event horizon. Also at that point the solar radiation in his body was being drained by nanobots, so he wasn't in his fullest potential.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. This should likelybe fine to apply then.

 

[Crazylatin77]

I applied it

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out. Is there anything left to do here?

 

[Crazylatin77]

I don't think so

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks. I will close this thread then.