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We're referencing combat speed. It didn't show to amp combat speed"These people" refer to those persons you said you asked and gave you a negative answer.
And you're going into unecessary details, it amps speed and that's it
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We're referencing combat speed. It didn't show to amp combat speed"These people" refer to those persons you said you asked and gave you a negative answer.
And you're going into unecessary details, it amps speed and that's it
What does this have to do with my point?He has Lightining in base and Electro Magnetic waves in his CT active statement.
Bruh better suggestions. Remove Mach 3 Naoya we will have MHS characters.
Also after Checking the chapter 237 and chapter 237. I can clearly see Sukuna was not able to move and blitz Kashimo because of his injuries from Gojos battle. If we correctly look at the fight Sukuna never moved anymore or less than dodging Attack in close range. Long range AOE sound attack covers more area which works like Black Canary cry. Beside he was Tanking it so he didn't needed to move anyway.
But in chapter 237 when he Reconstructed the body and Fully recovered his body functions. He did blizted Kashimo multiple occasions. He clears was capable of moving from that position.
Then Sukuna's fingers probably don't amp him to a high extent since 15F Sukuna and 20F Sukuna can both keep up with GojoIsn’t the statement an outlier from Megumi? Maki (who is consistently stated to be equal to Toji) was able to keep up with 15 finger Sukuna and land hits on him (was stated that Sukuna’s physical MOVEMENT was unaffected, only his cursed energy was)
He never does thisToji also seemed to outperform Naobito in terms of the speed of his attacks on Dagon
I thought we were making separate keys for Shinjuku Gojo and Gojo beforehand?Then Sukuna's fingers probably don't amp him to a high extent since 15F Sukuna and 20F Sukuna can both keep up with Gojo
He also blocked whatever Gojo threw at Kenjaku. Not an exact confirmation but his confidence to engage with Gojo right there even while having less fingers is enough to imply Sukuna scales comfortably.But 15F Sukuna only managed to interrupt Gojo while he was in the air, I wouldn’t say that’s FULLY enough to scale
None of this applies to Naoya who is able to make crisp turns and actively works like a jet, which means he very much so has to actively coordinate his flights. You even see him circling up in flight patterns before going at Maki which means he is very coordinated with his flight patterns .I'm about to just tackle this all at once below.
No he does notSpeed Standard Issues: Regarding The Flight Speed Standards
After taking a deeper look and thought into the newly recent standards added for flight speed, I found issues that I want to point out and discuss. And im putting this in the Q & A forum first as I want normal users to be able to weigh in on this too. Obviously if things go..."sideways", then...vsbattles.com
Ok so once again, by your logic if Naoya is mach 3, that places Awakened Maki at peak human speed.100/1029 = 0.09718172983 seconds
Peak Human.
No it's not, your own internal framework is not correct going by pure statements, which is something you will need to address if you are using Maki as the lynchpin for the scaling not making sense.Everything else is just semantics.
Okay? Reaction speed is not just a product of visual cognition my guy. I'm not really sure how you are arguing her base sense becoming that much more fine tuned somehow amounts to her not scaling to her own perceptions.The other senses allow her to react to Naoya in a way that her eyes alone can't do.
No it's not. Vision is the main factor because we assume anatomy and physiology of the standard human and even standard humans don't only utilize sight for reactions. Maki is clearly a special case with special abilities and given her abilities relate to her base senses there is literally no way to divorce this from her reaction/perception speed.That goes against regular reactions for her eyesight which is what we mainly chart.
It's really not. Gojo discovered the core of curse energy and came back with boosted stats after enlightenment, Mahito and Megumi both manifested domain expansions on the fly on the verge of death and by letting go of attachment, and I already displayed the panels to you about Maki was affected by "letting go" of her trauma which is a direct callback to this theme.This "buddhist principle of enlightenment" being a new mechanic in the verse is quite literally entirely headcanon. Like blatantly headcanon. Never stated, shown, implied, proven, thought of, or even mentioned.
Gege doesn't need to give us an explicit statement when he literally details to you how Maki's perceptions increased and then legit shows you on the panel casually reacting mid-air to a threat whose speed she previously could not surpass, while previously running through mile stretches of buildings with Naoya being unable to tag her.Maki has never had a statement of getting faster.
Rections are not just limited to eye speed stop claiming this.Maki has never has anything showing her eyesight has improved.
She gained his body, yet it clearly wasn't unlocked which is the whole point of her training, the whole point of Gege pointing out her enlightened mind adding to her perceptions, and then the whole fight where Naoya gets bullied by Maki afterward.She gained Toji's body when Mai died and she kept the same body after her realization.
Yes, her new elevated level of senses, which directly correlates to her reaction speed.The only thing that did it was her new senses that let her combat him. This is the whole point of the sumo session.
No she didn't. You keep claiming this against blatant narrative and visual indication of this, in addition to Naoya outright admitting he cannot catch her with his speed.She only canonically crossed paths with Mach 3 Naoya once. The other time is supported speculation which is also contradicted. He usually needs to accelerate a lot, yet he blatantly stopped moving right before he was about to hit her, meaning he lost all of his gained speed.
That's false partner.Maki has nothing putting her to Mach 3 or above
It was cursed tech not ce.Despite random Zenin CE'less fodder being FTE speed.
Why are we scaling Hakari separately from Jackpot Hakari.Anyway Let's stop arguing regarding Maki and others. Currently Thread has changed to Only to upgrade Top characters without no anti feats.
- Jackpot Hakari
- Kashimo
He got blitzed and then pummeled for 3 pages straight,Why are we scaling Hakari separately from Jackpot Hakari.
Base Hakari was still fighting equally with Kashimo inside his domain after his first jackpot ended and he started spinning for another.
Why do people keep bringing up the black hole feat from Kenjaku, Kenjaku was already resisting the gravitational pull as Yuki was still forming it which would be preventing him from being pulled in and give him ample time to activate his anti-gravity. I don't think Gege's author comment was talking about infinite speed either, he was probably talking about Jackpot Hakari having infinite cursed energy.the same gege with the electromagnetic waves, black hole horizon thingy, previous speed feats before the mach 3 notion, etc? The same Gege who earlier thought some mfs in jjk was infinite speed and then mach 3? Brother that subsonic ain't consistent either. The speed is all over the place.
He's getting bodied wdymWhy are we scaling Hakari separately from Jackpot Hakari.
Base Hakari was still fighting equally with Kashimo inside his domain after his first jackpot ended and he started spinning for another.
Wait, did KT switch his vote to agree? I thought he disagreed with the upgrades?Changing your vote to neutral.
Btw I got 4 Agree and no disagree. I'm good to apply the changes after 48 hours right?
How many times do we have to go over this, one of those scans literally shows Naoya covering far more distance than Maki does which would make him faster, her awakening enhanced her senses and gave her precog abilities but there's no mention of her becoming faster, Maki being able to move in mid-air was another ability she got from her enhanced senses and when she does tag Naoya, Naoya hadn't built up speed to reach Mach 3 again.I mean the only way she would scale to that feat is if
she fights true form sukuna or hakari(ain't happening) at this point since ya know only those two of the 3 people that actually scale to that feat are still alive.
Also got to say putting the mach 3 limit on maki is pretty silly considering that after the awakening she has become waaaay faster than naoya to the point where he couldn't catch nor hit her even while she was in mid air, so saying that maki is now all of a sudden hard capped to naoya's max speed even though she was out speeding him throughout the end of their fight pretty easily as can be seen in these scans
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I mean to me its pretty clear that after she fully awakened she was well above naoya in speed since she could dodge him while she was mid air with him being unable to catch or hit her even once after her full awakening which again makes the "mach 3 wall" questionable at best
i agree with it scaling to those 4 characters. I don’t agree with it scaling to anyone else atmWait, did KT switch his vote to agree? I thought he disagreed with the upgrades?
I missaw that panelHe's getting bodied wdym
What about scaling to Uruame? (Since she’s fighting Hakari at the moment).i agree with it scaling to those 4 characters. I don’t agree with it scaling to anyone else atm
Offscreen. Let's wait for future chapters.What about scaling to Uruame? (Since she’s fighting Hakari at the moment).
That was from chapter 187 domain was active. Go back and read the read the chapter againWhy are we scaling Hakari separately from Jackpot Hakari.
Base Hakari was still fighting equally with Kashimo inside his domain after his first jackpot ended and he started spinning for another.
He opened his domain because his first jackpot ended and he needed to roll another oneThat was from chapter 187 domain was active. Go back and read the read the chapter again
My bad I read his reply wrong.Domain active ≠ jackpot active my guy
ever heard that there is a difference between travel and combat speed?How many times do we have to go over this, one of those scans literally shows Naoya covering far more distance than Maki does which would make him faster, her awakening enhanced her senses and gave her precog abilities but there's no mention of her becoming faster, Maki being able to move in mid-air was another ability she got from her enhanced senses and when she does tag Naoya, Naoya hadn't built up speed to reach Mach 3 again.
Bruh no continuation of maki scaling hereever heard that there is a difference between travel and combat speed?
alright sorryBruh no continuation of maki scaling here
Combat speed falls under physical ability which CE ampsWe're referencing combat speed. It didn't show to amp combat speed
If you are okay with this then I think as long as we call Planck back in to give his final verdict I think we can close this thread for now with an asterisk given the immense amount of discussion/work that needs to be done. Me and you don't seem to be agreeing as of now, and th thread just keeps getting lost in several different conversations. Are you okay with that?i agree with it scaling to those 4 characters. I don’t agree with it scaling to anyone else atm
we need to see more of the fight between the two to actually make sure that she is scaling to hakari in jackpot(or to whom she scales to in general since ya know she is a bit of an enigma)What about scaling to Uruame? (Since she’s fighting Hakari at the moment).
I think she froze the complete domain of Hakari. They didn't had any fight from what I understand Yuji needed to destroy it from outside.we need to see more of the fight between the two to actually make sure that she is scaling to hakari in jackpot(or to whom she scales to in general since ya know she is a bit of an enigma)
"Strawman is not necessary" stop itCombat speed falls under physical ability which CE amps
This strawman is not necessary
Already didIf you are okay with this then I think as long as we call Planck back in to give his final verdict I think we can close this thread for now with an asterisk given the immense amount of discussion/work that needs to be done. Me and you don't seem to be agreeing as of now, and th thread just keeps getting lost in several different conversations. Are you okay with that?
The difference there is that Jogo didnt give them the chance to throw hands, he blitzed them like Kashimo does to Hakari and one shot them with his fire. Kashimo kept piling on hits giving Hakari the chance to defend himself which he still fails at.and we've got showings like Jogo who scales below Naobito taking out Nanami and Maki before they can react to him coming at them so if Kashimo was x500 faster than Hakari then Hakari wouldn't even be able to exchange hands with him.
Also Kashimo didn't had any intention of killing Hakari when he was throwing hands dude was analysing the situation. But once he got full information dude went into killer mode. He got Serious and excited to kill him later onwards when Jackpot hit. Dude objective was kill Hakari when he was immortal. Knowing how Kashimo mind works.The difference there is that Jogo didnt give them the chance to throw hands, he blitzed them like Kashimo does to Hakari and one shot them with his fire. Kashimo kept piling on hits giving Hakari the chance to defend himself which he still fails at.
It is necessary when you're doing it, CE is stated to Amp Physicals but you're keeping it as 'Well it doesn't involve Combat speed' for whatever reason"Strawman is not necessary" stop it
Somebody find this statement and find raws. Half the time I see "physical ability" in manga it just translates to strength
We never get a statement of speed being enhanced but we have like 8 of strength.
Don’t really think this is a solid argument considering 1F Sukuna was fully confident in his ability to take down Gojo as soon as he took over Yuji’s bodyNot an exact confirmation but his confidence to engage with Gojo right there even while having less fingers is enough to imply Sukuna scales comfortably.
I agree with KT on this. CE amps work as reinforcing the limbs of the person that controls the CE, allowing for them to hit harder and block strong attacks with cursed energy. So it buffs AP and durability"Strawman is not necessary" stop it
Somebody find this statement and find raws. Half the time I see "physical ability" in manga it just translates to strength
We never get a statement of speed being enhanced but we have like 8 of strength.
Get me the chapter where it says it amps physical abilities. I’ll find the raws myselfIt is necessary when you're doing it, CE is stated to Amp Physicals but you're keeping it as 'Well it doesn't involve Combat speed' for whatever reason
CE amps speed, that's it and there's no reason why otherwise would be the case.
Dr. Whiteee can assist with linking the raws and TLs, IDK how to do so without Imgur.
You're just asking to be spoon-fed info atp
Yuji amped his fist with CE then outsped the CE in his fist and created a move after it. Amps speed my assI agree with KT on this. CE amps work as reinforcing the limbs of the person that controls the CE, allowing for them to hit harder and block strong attacks with cursed energy. So it buffs AP and durability
There hasn’t been a single showing in the series of CE explicitly amplifying speed outside of cursed techniues