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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Giannysmag
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Blitzing Panda makes you #3 in speed frthats if jogo doesnt get constantly blitzed by the 3# fastest sorcerer oat
Giannysmag
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She isn't in any of the tierlists
Kenny basically 1v3d her, Choso and Tengen I really can't see them being right next to eachother
MinatoSparkle
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Stat cliffing:
Giannysmag
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Base Kashimo isn't stat cliffing Jogo lmao
MinatoSparkle
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Right I forgot he a Yuji rival mb
Giannysmag
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Real talk I think people severely overestimate the gap between pre and post Shibuya characters. The Disaster Curses are all high-top tiers even by the time of CG/SS
Giannysmag
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In terms of raw power yea. I think he still loses to Toji but can beat Maho if he instantly goes for Maximoum Meteor or Domain
Arkenis
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Speed too. Blitzes Kashimo. Jogo>Naobito>Hakari>Kashimo
Giannysmag
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Would be funny if that was the case but nah. Jogo isn't > Naobito he is at best somewhat slower than him and JP Hakari and Base Kashimo are equal
MinatoSparkle
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Idk about all that. The top tiers scale to/above Cursya who is way faster than Naoya/Naobito who are taster than all the Disaster Curses, and other than Jogo, by a lot.
Giannysmag
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The top tiers are blatently slower than Cursya tho. Maki could only evade him by using her super senses to predict his path, otherwise she gets blitzed and she is one of the fastest top tiers
Arkenis
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They don’t above him by much. Kamo reacted to Naoya lets not forget
Giannysmag
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Tbf Naoya was like a hundred meters away, Kamo wouldn't be able to do that at close range
Arkenis
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So what, Naoya can’t do mach 3 at close range, he still blitzes most from hundred of meters.
Giannysmag
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??? You are the one that brought up Kamo reacting to Naoya
Arkenis
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Yeah as a comparison for the rest of the verse. Most the verse isn’t above transonic. And Kamo reacted to non mach 3 Naoya not at hundred meters away but several. My point is just that the verse generally gets blitzes in these low mach ranges.
Giannysmag
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I agree that most of the verse doesn't surpass mach 1 but then why use an example of a character reacting to Naoya to prove that lol
Arkenis
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Go read the context for him reacting then you’ll get why.
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Literally in the one you sent she's in a tier all on her own
I don't agree it was basically a 1v3 because Tegen was essentially just a one time nullified and Choso was treated mostly as a non factor in terms of power for that fight. Both supported Yuki, but she was the main pillar of the entire battle.
When going purely off the 1v1, she demonstrates that she can output far more than Kenjaku can reasonably take and ends up faulting because instead of relying directly on her skill she let's Tegen pick up the slack for her.
Kenjaku didn't win that fight because of overwhelming superiority or even just general superiority but because he was better prepared to deal with the unknown than Yuki.
Also another hot take but Kenjaku only comfortably isn't in fourth place because Yuki bridges him and Yuta
Giannysmag
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That tier being her likely beating Yuji not them going 50/50
Choso forced Kenny to reveal his Gravity technique and later helped in CQC when Kenny was burnt out and Kenny still beat both of them
I assume you are talking about the domain fights and sure Yuki might have done a little better if she put up her own domain but considering what we know about how open and closed domains interract she'd still get overwhelmed very quickly and if anything the fight would go worse from there since she'd also have CT burn out and would have spent a bunch of CE
That is true but here's the thing, most of the top tiers are somewhat relative to eachother in some regards so most match ups come down to their abilities and how they fight. There is simply no world where Yuki can win because there is no world where Kenny sees that she can one shot him and his curses and doesn't instantly go for DE. Even if Yuki puts up her own domain she is gonna get overwhelmed very quickly and without Choso's or Tengen's support it's gonna be downhill from there.
I'm not sure what you mean here
Arkenis
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Prepared how? Everything he did was his own stuff, he even gambled his life when she did a bh. If anything they were prepared not him.
Giannysmag
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Also this. Yuki went in with prior knowledge of all of Kenny's CTs and a full alid out plan with Tengen while Kenny basically figured out everything about Yuki kn the fly
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correction*: he also blitzed them farmersBlitzing Panda makes you #3 in speed fr
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That's why I specified power. Choso was the weakest person their just straight up and Kenjaku displayed how much weaker than he that Choso is. Choso can of course hurt Kenjaku but his treatment throughout that fight is more like an annoying bug than an actual proper threat. Kenjaku didn't beat them while his techinque was burnt out, he beat Choso once he recovered his techinque and once it was a 1v1 again he defeated Yuki.
What we know of Open Barriers vs Close Barriers uniquely comes from how Sukuna's domain targets not from how open barriers work in general. We know that actual refinement of a domain is separate from whether or not a domain is open or closed. Sukuna's domain naturally targets the barrier of an opponents domain because his domain attacks everything. Kenjaku's as far as we know is a normal sure hit that targets people within domains still so attacking the barrier from the outside isn't really in the cards like it was for Sukuna. Yuki being allowed to use her CT while in a domain battle would more likely actually put the odds in her favor as she displayed in the first interaction that her CT can easily tear through Kenjaku's reinforcement. There's a reason that Kenjaku himself says she would've been better off actually entering a domain battle with him.
And what I'm saying that Yuki's unique factor amongst the top tiers is entirely based around overwhelming power. What made her a threat to Kenjaku is her ability to outstat him and any cursed spirits he put on the field. Hence why after he lost the first curse, he didn't summon a single cursed spirit again to try and contend with her. The only thing that Kenjaku really has to overwhelm Yuki is Uzumaki and the Gravity Techinque and if her domain is up she doesn't have to worry about the sure hits in the first place.
What I mean is that I put Kenjaku just generally above both Yuta and Yuki, while I put Yuki slightly above Yuta in terms of matchups.
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I specifically said better prepared to deal with what he didn't know. Kenjaku didn't know Yuki CT or the plans of the rest so he had to rely on just his innate intelligence and greater experience as a sorcerer.
Yuki didn't know that Kenajaku's domain had an open barrier which is what ruined their plan and put her into the losing position in that fight. That and not knowing that Uzumaki could be essentially hidden is what got her killed.
Neither was working with complete information and did their best to accommodate, Kenjaku just came out ahead better because of his general experience.
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Arkenis
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Relying on his intelligence and experience isn't preparedness to me I guess. That's just the standard for the character.
EldemadeDityjon
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Yuki downplay in 2025?
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Top 1 for me trustYuki downplay in 2025?
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This is true, when Yuki punched him through Tengen's barrier Kenjaku literally said "is it even possible to hunt this wild beast" - Kenjaku and Yuki are very relative. Yuki has the clear stat advantage, able to weave through his curses and GM without getting hit whilst also punching through his arms, alongside her CT being a natural counter to CSM, meanwhile Kenjaku's barrier techniques (such as DE) far exceed her capability.
The same Kenjaku who's stated twice to able to take on the combined forces of the heavy hitters, said someone of Yuta's ability wasn't even on his radar, and even whilst soul-damaged from battling a reality warper who's CT surpasses that of the Limitless is stated to be able to survive a surprise attack from Maki and thus needed Yuta aided by boogie woogie just to get tagged. For Yuki to make this guy scared easily puts her among the high tiers.
Yuki downplay gotta end.
EldemadeDityjon
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It's normal thing for Arkenis to downplay some character but why Gin is pushing this Agenda 
Giannysmag
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Choso still had enough power to kill Kenny with PS, which forced him to use the skull flipping trick
I know, I was just saying how Choso assisted in the fight and that Kenny still won against both of them
That is actually true, we don't know if Kenny's barrier targets innanimate objects (though I wouldn't be surprised if it could). Still an open barrier domain is almost certainly gonna be more refined than a closed barrier one just by their nature, especially when coming from the second best barrier user in the world. It's treated as an impossible feat by basically the entire cast for an open barrier domain to even exist. Even if it doesn't instantly overtake Yuki's domain, the slightest damage she takes is gonna cause her domain to be overpowered.
What he said was that the outcome wouldn't be as boring. Which it wouldn't be, Yuki would have lasted longer, but he doesn't imply that she would have actually won
Which I agree with
He did when trying to conceal Uzumaki
That's really all he needs tho. Distract Yuki long enough with gravity and CSM and then hit her with mini Uzumaki
How is me saying that Yuki loses to Kenny, which is something that happens in canon, downplay and agenda? Especially when I also have her above Yuji, my most glazed characterIt's normal thing for Arkenis to downplay some character but why Gin is pushing this Agenda
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Arkenis
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No one is downplaying Yuki. You guys have trouble with reading oh lord. Just had a slight disagreement with the word prepared being used lmao.It's normal thing for Arkenis to downplay some character but why Gin is pushing this Agenda
EldemadeDityjon
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Never said She would win against Kenjaku
I was talking about you people acting like she is not on his level seems like a downplay.
Giannysmag
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They are all top tiers, I just see Kenny as the zenith of the top tiers where he can pretty comfortably beat the others (Yuta, Yuki, Yuji) but is still much much closer to them than he is to the big two
MinatoSparkle
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That was pre-full awakening. When she fully awakened, she literally moved more than him in the same amount of time and tagged him with ease.
That wasn't when he was going Mach 3
Arkenis
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