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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

I will argue that Yuki isn't a 50/50.

My hot take is that she should probably sit comfortably in the tier that Kenjaku and Yuta get to sit in, with her either right above or next to Yuta
 
Jogo>Base Kashimo is crazy
Not really. Jogo has more raw power, range, can regenerate and has a domain. Kashimo's only wincon is lightning discharge to the head which requires him to engage in CQC and build up enough charge, which is gonna be tough when Jogo is constantly blasting him with big AOE fires and explosions
 
Not really. Jogo has more raw power, range, can regenerate and has a domain. Kashimo's only wincon is lightning discharge to the head which requires him to engage in CQC and build up enough charge, which is gonna be tough when Jogo is constantly blasting him with big AOE fires and explosions
Stat cliffing:
 
See now you get it
Real talk I think people severely overestimate the gap between pre and post Shibuya characters. The Disaster Curses are all high-top tiers even by the time of CG/SS
Idk about all that. The top tiers scale to/above Cursya who is way faster than Naoya/Naobito who are taster than all the Disaster Curses, and other than Jogo, by a lot.
 
Idk about all that. The top tiers scale to/above Cursya who is way faster than Naoya/Naobito who are taster than all the Disaster Curses, and other than Jogo, by a lot.
The top tiers are blatently slower than Cursya tho. Maki could only evade him by using her super senses to predict his path, otherwise she gets blitzed and she is one of the fastest top tiers
 
Idk about all that. The top tiers scale to/above Cursya who is way faster than Naoya/Naobito who are taster than all the Disaster Curses, and other than Jogo, by a lot.
They don’t above him by much. Kamo reacted to Naoya lets not forget
 
??? You are the one that brought up Kamo reacting to Naoya
Yeah as a comparison for the rest of the verse. Most the verse isn’t above transonic. And Kamo reacted to non mach 3 Naoya not at hundred meters away but several. My point is just that the verse generally gets blitzes in these low mach ranges.
 
Yeah as a comparison for the rest of the verse. Most the verse isn’t above transonic. And Kamo reacted to non mach 3 Naoya not at hundred meters away but several. My point is just that the verse generally gets blitzes in these low mach ranges.
I agree that most of the verse doesn't surpass mach 1 but then why use an example of a character reacting to Naoya to prove that lol
 
She isn't in any of the tierlists
Literally in the one you sent she's in a tier all on her own
Kenny basically 1v3d her, Choso and Tengen I really can't see them being right next to eachother
I don't agree it was basically a 1v3 because Tegen was essentially just a one time nullified and Choso was treated mostly as a non factor in terms of power for that fight. Both supported Yuki, but she was the main pillar of the entire battle.

When going purely off the 1v1, she demonstrates that she can output far more than Kenjaku can reasonably take and ends up faulting because instead of relying directly on her skill she let's Tegen pick up the slack for her.

Kenjaku didn't win that fight because of overwhelming superiority or even just general superiority but because he was better prepared to deal with the unknown than Yuki.

Also another hot take but Kenjaku only comfortably isn't in fourth place because Yuki bridges him and Yuta
 
Literally in the one you sent she's in a tier all on her own
That tier being her likely beating Yuji not them going 50/50
I don't agree it was basically a 1v3 because Tegen was essentially just a one time nullified and Choso was treated mostly as a non factor in terms of power for that fight. Both supported Yuki, but she was the main pillar of the entire battle.
Choso forced Kenny to reveal his Gravity technique and later helped in CQC when Kenny was burnt out and Kenny still beat both of them
and ends up faulting because instead of relying directly on her skill she let's Tegen pick up the slack for her.
I assume you are talking about the domain fights and sure Yuki might have done a little better if she put up her own domain but considering what we know about how open and closed domains interract she'd still get overwhelmed very quickly and if anything the fight would go worse from there since she'd also have CT burn out and would have spent a bunch of CE
Kenjaku didn't win that fight because of overwhelming superiority or even just general superiority but because he was better prepared to deal with the unknown than Yuki.
That is true but here's the thing, most of the top tiers are somewhat relative to eachother in some regards so most match ups come down to their abilities and how they fight. There is simply no world where Yuki can win because there is no world where Kenny sees that she can one shot him and his curses and doesn't instantly go for DE. Even if Yuki puts up her own domain she is gonna get overwhelmed very quickly and without Choso's or Tengen's support it's gonna be downhill from there.
Also another hot take but Kenjaku only comfortably isn't in fourth place because Yuki bridges him and Yuta
I'm not sure what you mean here
 
Kenjaku didn't win that fight because of overwhelming superiority or even just general superiority but because he was better prepared to deal with the unknown than Yuki.
Prepared how? Everything he did was his own stuff, he even gambled his life when she did a bh. If anything they were prepared not him.
 
Prepared how? Everything he did was his own stuff, he even gambled his life when she did a bh. If anything they were prepared not him.
Also this. Yuki went in with prior knowledge of all of Kenny's CTs and a full alid out plan with Tengen while Kenny basically figured out everything about Yuki kn the fly
 
Choso forced Kenny to reveal his Gravity technique and later helped in CQC when Kenny was burnt out and Kenny still beat both of them
That's why I specified power. Choso was the weakest person their just straight up and Kenjaku displayed how much weaker than he that Choso is. Choso can of course hurt Kenjaku but his treatment throughout that fight is more like an annoying bug than an actual proper threat. Kenjaku didn't beat them while his techinque was burnt out, he beat Choso once he recovered his techinque and once it was a 1v1 again he defeated Yuki.
I assume you are talking about the domain fights and sure Yuki might have done a little better if she put up her own domain but considering what we know about how open and closed domains interract she'd still get overwhelmed very quickly and if anything the fight would go worse from there since she'd also have CT burn out and would have spent a bunch of CE
What we know of Open Barriers vs Close Barriers uniquely comes from how Sukuna's domain targets not from how open barriers work in general. We know that actual refinement of a domain is separate from whether or not a domain is open or closed. Sukuna's domain naturally targets the barrier of an opponents domain because his domain attacks everything. Kenjaku's as far as we know is a normal sure hit that targets people within domains still so attacking the barrier from the outside isn't really in the cards like it was for Sukuna. Yuki being allowed to use her CT while in a domain battle would more likely actually put the odds in her favor as she displayed in the first interaction that her CT can easily tear through Kenjaku's reinforcement. There's a reason that Kenjaku himself says she would've been better off actually entering a domain battle with him.
That is true but here's the thing, most of the top tiers are somewhat relative to eachother in some regards so most match ups come down to their abilities and how they fight. There is simply no world where Yuki can win because there is no world where Kenny sees that she can one shot him and his curses and doesn't instantly go for DE. Even if Yuki puts up her own domain she is gonna get overwhelmed very quickly and without Choso's or Tengen's support it's gonna be downhill from there.
And what I'm saying that Yuki's unique factor amongst the top tiers is entirely based around overwhelming power. What made her a threat to Kenjaku is her ability to outstat him and any cursed spirits he put on the field. Hence why after he lost the first curse, he didn't summon a single cursed spirit again to try and contend with her. The only thing that Kenjaku really has to overwhelm Yuki is Uzumaki and the Gravity Techinque and if her domain is up she doesn't have to worry about the sure hits in the first place.
I'm not sure what you mean here
What I mean is that I put Kenjaku just generally above both Yuta and Yuki, while I put Yuki slightly above Yuta in terms of matchups.
 
Prepared how? Everything he did was his own stuff, he even gambled his life when she did a bh. If anything they were prepared not him.
I specifically said better prepared to deal with what he didn't know. Kenjaku didn't know Yuki CT or the plans of the rest so he had to rely on just his innate intelligence and greater experience as a sorcerer.

Yuki didn't know that Kenajaku's domain had an open barrier which is what ruined their plan and put her into the losing position in that fight. That and not knowing that Uzumaki could be essentially hidden is what got her killed.

Neither was working with complete information and did their best to accomdate, Kenjaku just came out ahead better because of his general experience.
 
I specifically said better prepared to deal with what he didn't know. Kenjaku didn't know Yuki CT or the plans of the rest so he had to rely on just his innate intelligence and greater experience as a sorcerer.

Yuki didn't know that Kenajaku's domain had an open barrier which is what ruined their plan and put her into the losing position in that fight. That and not knowing that Uzumaki could be essentially hidden is what got her killed.

Neither was working with complete information and did their best to accomdate, Kenjaku just came out ahead better because of his general experience.
Relying on his intelligence and experience isn't preparedness to me I guess. That's just the standard for the character.
 
Yuki downplay in 2025?
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