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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

The main issue with Hakari v Uraume is definitely their limited skill sets. Honestly, Gege probably could've just said "oh Hakari advanced his technique during the month of prep" to give him more stuff but they wanted to focus on the Sukuna fight which I can't blame them for. It's the fight against the main villain with pretty much the whole cast (except like half of Kyoto cause I mean wtf they gonna do) being there for it. Cutting to show Uraume and Hakari would probably mess with the flow of it
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Gege definitely kept it off screen because he felt he couldn't make an engaging fight out of immortal punch kick merchant vs ice crowd controller. Understandable but also a whole L

Definitely a whole L if you consider he could've expanded Hakari's arsenal. Let that man fire CE beams with his infinite CE. Reinterpret his technique beyond his domain

Let him summon trains
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Him using his Domain elements outside would be cool but that's about it
Having infinite CE doesn't allow you to shoot beams, its having a tremendous amount of output as well.
It's why the only people who could do it are Ryu and Yuta
 
And a lot of domain stuff is set in stone
His domain is to gamble and it has a theme, he can manifest some of that theme outside (The doors) but thats rlly it
His gimmick is hitting hard and immortality
A perfect staller for the Frozen Star
 
Gokukid2005 said:
Him using his Domain elements outside would be cool but that's about it
Having infinite CE doesn't allow you to shoot beams, its having a tremendous amount of output as well.
It's why the only people who could do it are Ryu and Yuta
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It can if you want to.
We literally see finger bearer spam CE beams.
Also he gets higher output thanks to jackpot tho.
By the way. we still haven't seen jackpot 777. Wonder if that has a special effect never seen or something... Hopefully.
 


Apparently. The specific kanji used to saying Hakari had Infinite CE reserves, is also used for "Unlimited Hollow Purple" too. (I believe you can see it in chapter 233 raw when gojo talks about unlimited hollow purple)
That purple is also where we see gojo use the full incantation set for his three techniques (Blue, Red and Purple).
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TheGunsFinalWrath said:


Apparently. The specific kanji used to saying Hakari had Infinite CE reserves, is also used for "Unlimited Hollow Purple" too. (I believe you can see it in chapter 233 raw when gojo talks about unlimited hollow purple)
That purple is also where we see gojo use the full incantation set for his three techniques (Blue, Red and Purple).
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So what you’re saying is High 3-A Sukuna
 
Arkenis said:
vsbattles.com

Neji vs Naoya

Equal Speed Neji scales to 100t Naoya scales vaguely above 58t Neji: Minty Naoya:
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Why is vengeful spirit Naoya rated as 8-A? I understand he was able to push Maki against a wall, but is there any statement or scan showing that she got hurt? It should be listed as lifting strength, not attack potency, as far as I understand. He have better lifting strength than Maki or something like that? As far as the manga shows, only his max Mach 3 speed was able to damage her.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Why is vengeful spirit Naoya rated as 8-A? I understand he was able to push Maki against a wall, but is there any statement or scan showing that she got hurt? It should be listed as lifting strength, not attack potency, as far as I understand. He have better lifting strength than Maki or something like that? As far as the manga shows, only his max Mach 3 speed was able to damage her.
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Its not ls just to overpower someone like he does. Also, why would he narratively have greater ls than the narratively stronger character?
 
Arkenis said:
Its not ls just to overpower someone like he does. Also, why would he narratively have greater ls than the narratively stronger character?
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I don't understand what you are trying to say. But pretty sure having higher LS than other characters doesn't mean they scale above that characters durability.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I don't understand what you are trying to say. But pretty sure having higher LS than other characters doesn't mean they scale above that characters durability.
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It isn’t LS what he did. And like I asked, why would Naoya have greater LS than the character meant to be narratively strong?

Edit: Why are you talking about being above durability? They just scale to each other.
 
Arkenis said:
Its not ls just to overpower someone like he does. Also, why would he narratively have greater ls than the narratively stronger character?
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Just checked the page it's stated to be evaluated seperately.
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Lifting Strength

Lifting Strength is defined as the mass that an individual can lift on Earth. In other words it measures the amount of upwards force a character can produce. As such pushing and pulling feats are also considered a part of this statistic, granted they are properly calculated to account for the...
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While Striking Strength measures the energy of a character's physical attacks, Lifting Strength measures the amount of mass they can lift, which is determined by the amount of force a character can produce. This means that they measure two different physical quantities. Furthermore it can't be assumed that a character that can physically produce the amount of energy used in lifting an object by a certain height can also lift it, if it didn't demonstrate the ability to produce that level of Lifting Strength. It is a common feature within fiction to feature characters capable of vastly greater physical striking strength energy outputs than what would be required to lift weights that they are repeatedly shown to struggle with.
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Hence Lifting Strength and Striking Strength are in general not comparable and should be evaluated separately.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Just checked the page it's stated to be evaluated seperately.
vsbattles.fandom.com

Lifting Strength

Lifting Strength is defined as the mass that an individual can lift on Earth. In other words it measures the amount of upwards force a character can produce. As such pushing and pulling feats are also considered a part of this statistic, granted they are properly calculated to account for the...
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I’m saying Naoya isn’t doing a LS feat. He’s physically attacking her, in the second example he literally hit her and sent her flying into a wall.
 
Arkenis said:
It isn’t LS what he did. And like I asked, why would Naoya have greater LS than the character meant to be narratively strong?
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Why wouldn't it's possible? Just because a character scales above other in AP doesn't mean they should have better LS?
Arkenis said:
Edit: Why are you talking about being above durability? They just scale to each other.
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Because one should damage opponent to some extent to scale to them? Or need a statement for being able to damage opponents that's how normally people scale characters.
 
Arkenis said:
I’m saying Naoya isn’t doing a LS feat. He’s physically attacking her, in the second example he literally hit her and sent her flying into a wall.
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Sent her flying with zero scratches or statement for she getting some damage from that?
Above LS page clearly mentioned. So there is no need to assume Naoya scaling Maki via LS is same as he scales to her SS or durability
It is a common feature within fiction to feature characters capable of vastly greater physical striking strength energy outputs than what would be required to lift weights that they are repeatedly shown to struggle with.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Why wouldn't it's possible? Just because a character scales above other in AP doesn't mean they should have better LS?
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Because Heavenly Restriction makes the person physically strong explain why this would only apply to strikes and not all the muscles of the body? It is clear as day HR enhances the entire body.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Because one should damage opponent to some extent to scale to them? Or need a statement for being able to damage opponents that's how normally people scale characters.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Sent her flying with zero scratches or statement for she getting some damage from that?
Above LS page clearly mentioned. So there is no need to assume Naoya scaling Maki via LS is same as he scales to her SS or durability
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I don't think we need to see scratches or bruising every time to know someone is getting damaged. But if you think he should be downgraded go ahead and make a crt.
 
Arkenis said:
Because Heavenly Restriction makes the person physically strong explain why this would only apply to strikes and not all the muscles of the body? It is clear as day HR enhances the entire body.
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Yeah she is stronger than Naoya I'm not denying that. It's either Both Maki and Naoya has same LS or Naoya is higher. Maki has higher SS and AP that's all.
Arkenis said:
I don't think we need to see scratches or bruising every time to know someone is getting damaged. But if you think he should be downgraded go ahead and make a crt.
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Maybe sometimes later I'll do it. I was just confirming if he had any scans showing damaging Maki.
 
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