Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[EldemadeDityjon]

Been thinking about whether or not holding back on a Black Flash makes any sense. The volume 0 light novel suggests you can't, as in order to occur the sorcerers needs to be at their best, but with Sukuna it simply doesn't make sense for his Black Flash punches to be all out.

A Black Flash is very consistently portrayed as a massive deal. Hanami has some serious hype for her durability and yet Yuji's Black Flash's were severely weakening her, Yuji and Eso had a few hand-to-hand exchanges before Yuji blew his entire arm off with a single Black Flash, Mahito's Black Flash's almost took out anyone they hit with Yuji's doing the same (Todo's was ineffective purely due to Mahito's inherent resilience to most forms of damage), in Volume 0 where the novel claims Yuta used Black Flash; Yuta's sword strike infused with most of his CE did nothing to Geto yet a Black Flash punch drew blood, and of course Sukuna went from surviving a 200% Hollow Purple (albeit 4km away) to being knocked completely unconscious by a Black Flash punch. The 2.5 exponent amp is seriously a game changer during a fight, yet Sukuna's never are.

When Sukuna hit Maki twice with Black Flash she was relatively unharmed after Sukuna perception blitzed her, but okay maybe Heavenly Restriction users are just tanks who's durability exceeds their other stats (teen Gojo upscale W), but then Maki gets taken out by Sukuna's dismantle... so was Gojo inside of Sukuna's domain surviving thousands of attacks each individually more damaging that Sukuna's Black Flash punches? Would Ryu survive a Black Flash from 16F Sukuna, despite having his head spurt blood all over from a single punch from Rika? Definitely brings into question some of my inverse scaling chains. Then Yuji's Black Flash punches do effectively minimal damage on Sukuna, which is okay; Sukuna being stronger still but disinterested in Yuji (therefore holding back) in that moment is defendable for me (Sukuna only starts getting scared near the end where the Black Flash punches are doing far more damage), but then Sukuna's own Black Flash does nothing on Yuji? So two people can tank each other's Black Flashes (Yuji and Sukuna) - so what's different from it and a normal punch? I'm not accepting that. The TODO tanks a Black Flash from Sukuna... so Todo's durability is on the level of a Heavenly Restriction user now? Ig it's possible though it definitely seems absurd.

Bruh Maki was out of the fight for a while after that?

 

[Rosa]

Bruh Maki was out of the fight for a while after that?

She was out for a single chapter after getting knocked back, and then came back with no injuries on her and then got hit again by another BF and this time was unscathed and ready to continue fighting as if it was a normal punch.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

She was out for a single chapter after getting knocked back, and then came back with no injuries on her and then got hit again by another BF and this time was unscathed and ready to continue fighting as if it was a normal punch.

First one it's highly likely Ui Ui teleported her to Shoko or she healed herself in the meanwhile.

Second one she was just conscious not that she tanked it also we don't know which part of the body Second BF hit her. We also see her mouth coughing blood?

Anyway BF scaling or not Sukuna normal punches were damaging Gota. So Off-guard Todo taking BF is still good CE reinforcement feat.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Cook.

 

[Giannysmag]

Cook.

Gege is truly a master of his craft. Never before in writing history has someone thought of creating parallels between their main hero and their main villain

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Gege is truly a master of his craft. Never before in writing history has someone thought of creating parallels between their main hero and their main villain

He is also great with foreshadowing.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[Sir_sun_man]

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Funny enough I already mentioned that. You seem to ignored. She was saying that because she was out of shape. Also sealing shikai means nothing. it doesn't amp his physical sts. It only gives him extra abilities. She also has Shunko instead of Bankai to amp her sts. Which she & Soifon using fought.

I was talking about you saying "she has statements of comperable riatsu" which she plain does not, the only thing ever compared between byakuya and yoruichi in the arc is that of speed through shun-po which yoruichi won by not by a mile they both outsped one another with the technique but both managed to react to one anothers movements meaning that both byakuya and yoruichi have comperable speed with yoruichi having greater mastery of shun-po giving her the edge but not to the amount of blitz. Shunko is an unknown amp it revolves around a combination hakuda (a hand to hand fighting style) and kido (the elemental effects) with Shunko, unlike bankai not having any actual stated amp amounts and literally revolves around adding Kido spells to hand to hand combat so we legit can't say its = to bankai (it ain't).

Mobility meaning freely moving one's body. Still Shunko is amp. Also Shumpo is something squad 2 is specialised with. Unlike Byakuya Aizen praises Soifon Shumpo. He may have mobility higher in his base it doesn't change Soifon can amp herself with Shumpo & Shunko..

shunko does not seem to amp speed (at least for the low level of it that Sui-Feng has since she at that time just discovered the techniques and couldn't even hold it indefinitely she ain't got no thunder god in here) and byakuya also has shumpo & bankai on top meaning he should by all account be as fast if not flat out faster due to the massive amp of bankai.

mobility

1. the ability to move or walk around freely: 2. the ability to be moved from…

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Like I already said having 10 point lead isn't getting him anywhere.

neither is it getting her anyway, byakuya despite both having a bankai and knowing how to use shun-po couldn't keep up with ichigo

She fights through speed (Shumpo) and her shikai hax from the Shikai.

she won't be able to keep up with bankai ichigo just outright, not in power nor in speed.

SP/kido is useless she doesn't need them. Defence is also useless when she can just dodge them.

Kido is literally part of her main amp which is Shunko.... like what are you on about? Also no defence is very much needed because ichigo is blitzing her much like he blitzed byakuya who again has both shun-po and bankai.

She literally has Shunko to make up for that.

unknown level of amp claiming it to be as large as the 5-10 of bankai is insane.

Also Byakuya never kept up with Hollow Ichigo dude got owned. Ichigo broke the mask on his own.

never said he did, I said that ichigo would use the hollow mask sooner or later and that is lights out for Sui-Feng as she is not only going to be one tapped by ichigo who is now anywhere from 50 to 100 times stronger than her but waaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster, unless you want to claim Sui-Feng is 50 to 100 times faster and stronger than

All I see Zenin clan wank So I ain't reading alot.

its stated fact what do you mean, the literally average from G2 to G1 which is the level of our protag and dutorag.

Well regarding Megumi dying might have resulted in Sukuna's downfall. Well it would have in a positive way for Main cast lol.

still a massive narrative impact which is what we are arguing here.

Nuh ha.

Yuh hu

I already explained many things other than Soifon case.

so have I for maki, they both did a lot of similar shit, saving the protag multiple times, taking out threats before they get out of hand, helping learn more about the main antags new abilities and helping beat em. It is that simple they both had massive narrative impact in their stories and both are well written (for shonen this ain't no elden ring we ain't getting marika level well written from this art style).

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

For the last few months, I do believe jjk has been outselling one piece.

Jjk has been outselling one piece for years

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Jjk has been outselling one piece for years

well for two years to be exact but still very impressive.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I was talking about you saying "she has statements of comperable riatsu" which she plain does not, the only thing ever compared between byakuya and yoruichi in the arc is that of speed through shun-po which yoruichi won by not by a mile they both outsped one another with the technique but both managed to react to one anothers movements meaning that both byakuya and yoruichi have comperable speed with yoruichi having greater mastery of shun-po giving her the edge but not to the amount of blitz.

In the novel, it's clearly mentioned that all Clan heads have the same level of Reiatsu. So, obviously, Yoruichi has the same level of Reiatsu as Byakuya. Arc has nothing to do with Reiatsu; it's not like they would get weaker over time. Also, I'm pretty sure there was a statement that Shunpo needs spiritual pressure amps. So, Yoruichi was relative to Byakuya either way in spiritual pressure.

Also you admit OUT OF SHAPE Yoruichi Shumpo is better than Byakuya. She prepared alongside Ichigo before fighting Soifon. So Base Soifon was keeping up with better version of Yoruichi than the one who fought Byakuya. Heck She was good enough to even harm her. That's also stated to be she was holding back. Yoruichi won after Shunko of hers activated. Before that Soifon had upper hand.

Shunko is an unknown amp it revolves around a combination hakuda (a hand to hand fighting style) and kido (the elemental effects) with Shunko, unlike bankai not having any actual stated amp amounts and literally revolves around adding Kido spells to hand to hand combat so we legit can't say its = to bankai (it ain't).

Not having Bankai multipliers doesn't change the fact that Byakuya didn't have any big speed amps with his Bankai. In fact, he reduced Ichigo's speed with his technique.

But Shunko clearly has a statement for amps once speed. Check the scan below; it amps overall body stats. Anyway, the conversation shouldn't be Byakuya vs. Soifon. I don't know why you are turning it into one.

Byakuya's AP is 90/100, while Soifon's AP is 80/100. There was not a big gap between them. Either way, Soifon would have had many openings during the Byakuya vs. Ichigo fight.

shunko does not seem to amp speed (at least for the low level of it that Sui-Feng has since she at that time just discovered the techniques and couldn't even hold it indefinitely she ain't got no thunder god in here) and byakuya also has shumpo & bankai on top meaning he should by all account be as fast if not flat out faster due to the massive amp of bankai.

Shunko does amps overall sts. So obviously it amps speed. Whenever she uses Shunko we literally see she getting faster and Blizting her opponents.

neither is it getting her anyway, byakuya despite both having a bankai and knowing how to use shun-po couldn't keep up with ichigo

He couldn't even keep up with Out of shape Yoruichi.

she won't be able to keep up with bankai ichigo just outright, not in power nor in speed.

She doesn't need to keep up with his power. She can keep up with his speed. We are talking about same duo Yoruichi and Soifon who were able to jump on Aizen while Bankai Ichigo got stomped. His wounds were patched up by Orihime so there is no need to say he got slower

I can agree on she may not have the power but obviously should be comparable Bankai Ichigo speed if not better.

Kido is literally part of her main amp which is Shunko.... like what are you on about? Also no defence is very much needed because ichigo is blitzing her much like he blitzed byakuya who again has both shun-po and bankai.

Base Byakuya is objectively slower than Base Soifon. His speed didn't get amped with his Bankai multipliers, so it's better to say Soifon has more speed advantage than him.

Anyway, stop with the Byakuya vs. Soifon debate. This is about whether Soifon can keep up with Bankai Ichigo. She can.

unknown level of amp claiming it to be as large as the 5-10 of bankai is insane.

never said he did, I said that ichigo would use the hollow mask sooner or later and that is lights out for Sui-Feng as she is not only going to be one tapped by ichigo who is now anywhere from 50 to 100 times stronger than her but waaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster, unless you want to claim Sui-Feng is 50 to 100 times faster and stronger than

Even with Hollow Mask Ichigo almost lost to Byakuya

so have I for maki, they both did a lot of similar shit, saving the protag multiple times, taking out threats before they get out of hand, helping learn more about the main antags new abilities and helping beat em. It is that simple they both had massive narrative impact in their stories and both are well written (for shonen this ain't no elden ring we ain't getting marika level well written from this art style).

Well I'm not expecting you to agree anyway. I don't think any new gen fans would want to agree with their favourite character having less importance against a old gen character they barely know.

1. Saving the main character 4-5 times is greater than saving the main character 2 times.
2. Bringing Kisuke to the Gotei 13 and the development of Squad 12, which resulted in massive support during TYBW and FKT, is greater than anything Maki has done so far in her verse as a contribution.
3. Ichigo's Bankai training, Hollow powers, and his team's training are greater than Maki training a few sword skills to Yuta.
4. Defeating Aizen was also possible because of Kisuke (who wouldn't have been there if Yoruichi didn't save him), which is greater than assisting in the fight against Sukuna.

 

[Rosa]

why we debating Bleach shit in the JJK discussion?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

why we debating Bleach shit in the JJK discussion?

Some people here thinks Maki had Biggest impact on plot than any Female characters from Bleach.

 

[Rosa]

Some people here thinks Maki had Biggest impact on plot than any Female characters from Bleach.

they spittin, but ya'll writing paragraphs this big is insane

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Some people here thinks Maki had Biggest impact on plot than any Female characters from Bleach.

I am saying she has the same level of impact as yoruichi.

 

[Giannysmag]

All this yapping only for one piece women to clear

 

[Sir_sun_man]

All this yapping only for one piece women to clear

I mean.... honestly designs aside one piece women might have some of the best characters in shonen jump (at least when it comes to the main crew, robin is a great character not gonna lie)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Few JJK fans should read/watch other series.

 

[Quantu]

All this yapping only for one piece women to clear

Nami clones = W

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

they spittin, but ya'll writing paragraphs this big is insane

I guess your next take will be that Kenjaku was the best mother in Shonen Jump.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

well for two years to be exact but still very impressive.

4 years*

 

[M3X_2.0]

why we debating Bleach shit in the JJK discussion?

Because the current chapter was mid

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Because the current chapter was mid

That might be the disappointed Yuta fan talking

Though admittedly, I feel absolutely nothing for Yujo

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

If Sukuna survives it's either Hiten or Uraume. Or he might be in a state where even Ino can jump on him lol.

 

[Rosa]

Because the current chapter was mid

Seeing the aftermath of Yuta's purple, confirming numerous theories, seeing Yuji and Todo tag team again, seeing Yuji developing his use of Shrine to be basically the SSK, and Sukuna being outsmarted by Yuta with Angel finally showing off why she was a Heian era top tier? What were YOU expecting from this chapter?

 

[M3X_2.0]

That might be the disappointed Yuta fan talking

Though admittedly, I feel absolutely nothing for Yujo

Not really, never liked Yujo, worst decision ever if you ask me. Mix both of the strongest modern sorcerers and create a weakass character.

I just want this manga to end.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Seeing the aftermath of Yuta's purple, confirming numerous theories, seeing Yuji and Todo tag team again, seeing Yuji developing his use of Shrine to be basically the SSK, and Sukuna being outsmarted by Yuta with Angel finally showing off why she was a Heian era top tier? What were YOU expecting from this chapter?

Sorry but nothing of this looks as appealing as you make it to be.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Best part was Angel, that was good indeed. Although it can lead to some absolutely awful decisions like the **** level acting & Hana holding back.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Best part was Angel, that was good indeed. Although it can lead to some absolutely awful decisions like the **** level acting & Hana holding back.

It was likely held back because they're still trying to save Megumi (bum ass)

But I doubt this JL isn't gonna do some major damage. It feels the fight is coming up on a turning point

 

[Rosa]

Sorry but nothing of this looks as appealing as you make it to be.

Again, what would be appealing to you if not seeing the MC improve, the villain being outsmarted in realistic ways, and the supporting cast amplifying the MC and playing a substantial role? What are you reading the manga for?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

This chapter is like past chapters of this fight except it actually feels like a turning point is about to happen

My only complaint is that Yujo feels like another step to the plan rather than an absolute last resort

 

[Nierre]

Again, what would be appealing to you if not seeing the MC improve, the villain being outsmarted in realistic ways, and the supporting cast amplifying the MC and playing a substantial role? What are you reading the manga for?

Maybe because we've seen this formula happen within THE SAME FIGHT for months now?

IDK why people are surprised that some people feel indifferent about these chapters, when it's literally been rinse and repeat. I, for one, enjoy these chapters, but it's also a slog, and I want it to end already

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

The only thing I feel different about the latest chapter is that it seems like Sukuna is actually getting close to dying. Last time I thought that was the chapter where Yuji hit his 7 black flashes. Every other chapter it seemed clear he wasn’t going to get pushed too hard or he just straight up wins in that chapter and it was a dude arriving as a cliffhanger.

 

[Nierre]

The only thing I feel different about the latest chapter is that it seems like Sukuna is actually getting close to dying.

I mean, I agree. But that's like.. the expectation. So it's more so a "******* finally" moment, than an "OMG something new!!" moment. At least that's how I see it.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

The only thing I feel different about the latest chapter is that it seems like Sukuna is actually getting close to dying. Last time I thought that was the chapter where Yuji hit his 7 black flashes. Every other chapter it seemed clear he wasn’t going to get pushed too hard or he just straight up wins in that chapter and it was a dude arriving as a cliffhanger.

I find it funny that the one pushing him the most is the one he finds most "boring"

like every time he gets to fight mainly yuji he gets his ass handed to him, be it 7 black flashes in a row right to the soul or having about a dozen dismantles sent straight at his soul which made him throw up his own fingers.

 

[Quantu]

Honestly I'm just anticipating the merger at this point because even for me Sukuna Kaisen is getting stale unless he pulls out the Hiten or something ngl. There's only so much black flashes and dismantle/cleave chapters one can take.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I find it funny that the one pushing him the most is the one he finds most "boring"

like every time he gets to fight mainly yuji he gets his ass handed to him, be it 7 black flashes in a row right to the soul or having about a dozen dismantles sent straight at his soul which made him throw up his own fingers.

The buildup to Yuji's ascension is one of the things I like. He gradually went from the support to the main course

I'd argue he and Sukuna fighting each other multiple times building up to his awakening is the best part of the arc. Thematically, it beats out Sukuna vs Gojo

I can't get past "The one who will teach you about love is me." I have a very love-hate relationship with Yorozu

 

[Rosa]

Maybe because we've seen this formula happen within THE SAME FIGHT for months now?

IDK why people are surprised that some people feel indifferent about these chapters, when it's literally been rinse and repeat. I, for one, enjoy these chapters, but it's also a slog, and I want it to end already

what "formula"? With each person who's fought against Sukuna we've learnt more about the characters, seen them improve, learnt more about Sukuna, and the world and the outcome has varied with how much they've been capable of pressing him. Not to mention a drawn out fight like this makes it feel deserved to win whilst keeping Sukuna as the pinnacle of power and not making it seem powercliffed.