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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

EldemadeDityjon said:
This is the raws.

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Figured it was the top one. It's referring to an example that shows us that very speed and power increase.

— Panel caption: The greater the pressure exerted by Convergence, the greater the speed and strength of Piercing Blood will be.
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This is not a general statement to say PB can be increased beyond the stated super sonic speeds told to us. Also when PB's sonic booms are calced, they are always just barely above the speed of sound, aka supersonic speeds.

To go "well Sukuna has better reinforcement so he can amp it way higher" is extrapolating based off how reinforcement works. The thing is, the reinforcement is for amping the power of piercing blood, the technique is normally used with human blood, all Blood Manipulation techs reinforce the blood with cursed energy.

Even the idea that only Sukuna has gotten to the point of compressing/condensing and reinforcing to the point he can reach hhs or mhs ignores the fact that Choso has honed his cursed tech for 150 years, to say he honed that for that long yet Pb is faster, and then on top of the fact that out of the 1000 years of the Kamo clan existing no one else could reach higher reinforcement only further makes this argument more absurd.
 
  • The translation doesn't say there's a universal limit or a stagnant limit to piercing blood
  • It shows Kamo as an instance of someone being able to use PB to its limit, and yet Kamo stated Choso is able to pressurise it further than he is, therefore at the very least each user of PB isn't bound by the same limit
  • Choso can draw PB out "to its limit" and yet accepted calcs have shows his piercing blood is faster later on in Shibuya, showing the limit isn't stagnant
  • Piercing Blood, in both the fanbook and manga, is stated to be able to made faster with it's limit being determined by the CE output and physical convergence - two things which can be strengthened, suggesting PB CAN'T have a stagnated limit as per the verses power system
Stop repeating this same debate with these same debunked talking points of your headcanons, just accept you're wrong gracefully
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
His control over explicitly cannot suck, considering he can amp his weapons alongside his body with his monstrous CE and not have it break, which was the issue he had in Vol 0. He couldn’t input enough against Geto’s curse, and he input too much against Geto himself.

Ryu just had higher output, I don’t know why that’s such a contested topic.
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Yeah it does, against Ryu. "Can amp" Uh yes, he learned the basics long ago, and has improved a lot along the way. I don't think you get the point that in comparison to Ryu, his control sucks. His ce reserves play a huge role in the output he could display. Which is why he can fight Ryu on a equal footing.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Also your headcanon.
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Sure, prove it. We already have two instances where characters get a great boost in output the more ce reserves they have. Hakari and Sukuna are great examples.
Sukuna has over 2x ce reserves of that of Gojo, but gojo is slightly superior (or equal or more, whatever u wanna go with) to him in ce reinforcement and the like. Why? Because Ce control.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Yeah it does, against Ryu. "Can amp" Uh yes, he learned the basics long ago, and has improved a lot along the way. I don't think you get the point that in comparison to Ryu, his control sucks. His ce reserves play a huge role in the output he could display. Which is why he can fight Ryu on a equal footing.
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This is such an odd argument. The narrative itself outright states that when Rika is fully manifested alongside Yuta, his output is only slightly inferior to his. “In comparison”, well if that’s the case, everyone’s CE control sucks compared to Sukuna and Gojo. First it’s Yuta has poor efficiency, then his control sucks, now I’m expecting one of you people to think that John Werry actually mistranslated and he actually only has half of Gojo’s total CE amounts. These narratives you guys make are crazy.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Y’all naturally have bad interpretation and reading comprehension, and when yall decide to take these interpretations as canon, that’s what happen.

“Hey look based on my shitty conclusions I made, we can conclude that Yuta’s CE output and control suck, even though the manga never acknowledges any of this and this is all from our head”
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then read the manga dude. the shit I just explained is literally in the manga to why ce reserves play a huge role 😭 I just listed few examples rn that u can look into.
 
Also, I can’t believe I need to explain this, but the reason why Yuta’s Cleave didn’t do much damage to Sukuna is because Sukuna didn’t allow it to cut further.

251, final page, Cleave is centered dead in Sukuna’s face. 252, next page, first page even, we clearly see Sukuna has aimed the blade so far away from his face. Yuta’s swords in the domain fully disappear after usage, so the fact that Sukuna can grab it, and pull it away after, means that it wasn’t done cutting through him, and only after that page it disappeared. Meaning Sukuna avoided the bulk of the damage, lol.
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
This is such an odd argument. The narrative itself outright states that when Rika is fully manifested alongside Yuta, his output is only slightly inferior to his. “In comparison”, well if that’s the case, everyone’s CE control sucks compared to Sukuna and Gojo.
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? Read Hakari vs Kashimo fight. No idea why you'd find this odd. It's literally not even something made up. Unless you think Ryu and Yuta has equal ce reserves for some reason? If that was the case, Yuta would just die. What's there to disagree with Ryu's CE control being >>> Yuta's but he and Yuta can fight in ce reinforcement on equal footing.
 
Arkenis said:
Figured it was the top one. It's referring to an example that shows us that very speed and power increase.


This is not a general statement to say PB can be increased beyond the stated super sonic speeds told to us. Also when PB's sonic booms are calced, they are always just barely above the speed of sound, aka supersonic speeds.

To go "well Sukuna has better reinforcement so he can amp it way higher" is extrapolating based off how reinforcement works. The thing is, the reinforcement is for amping the power of piercing blood, the technique is normally used with human blood, all Blood Manipulation techs reinforce the blood with cursed energy.

Even the idea that only Sukuna has gotten to the point of compressing/condensing and reinforcing to the point he can reach hhs or mhs ignores the fact that Choso has honed his cursed tech for 150 years, to say he honed that for that long yet Pb is faster, and then on top of the fact that out of the 1000 years of the Kamo clan existing no one else could reach higher reinforcement only further makes this argument more absurd.
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It states "Blood Manipulation." It's not specific to a single user; it's general. If you don't want it to be general, change it to "Piercing Water." So you're conceding PW's speed is unknown, hence not capping it at supersonic.

Gojo is 29 years old and has more experience than Yuta & Dagon, but couldn't target a single target inside his Domain, yet Yuta & Dagon can. Where has this so-called experience gone?

I really don't want to hear about experience bullshit when Sukuna, even without much experience with TS (Mahoraga), took that shit to a different level in just one month.

Still, you want to talk about some BS here?

I don't care if PB is subsonic or of immeasurable speed; it doesn't change the fact that its speed can be canonically increased, that's all.

You are appealing to pixel scaling at this point, as if pixel scaling & calculations isn't inconsistent with narrative many times for many verses.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
You are appealing to pixel scaling at this point, as if pixel scaling & calculations isn't inconsistent with narrative many times for many verses.
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the calc for Yuki dodging gravity finna be crazy
or the Kenny reacting to black hole being calced
or calcing kamo reacting to Naoya and Naoya blitzing and the like
or Maki in GW with the bullet speed calc
why can't we use this 😹 calcs shows the narrative.
 
Rosa said:
On the Yuta vs Ryu point. We know Ryu > Yuta in output, and it's implied Yuta > Ryu in reserves. Output is determined by your reserves and control, therefore it's likely Ryu has better control.
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OKay mr obvious but that's not the point. They are saying Yuta's output sucks, which isn't true, and was never stated or shown.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
IT HAPPENED AGAIN

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yet you can't even engage in a debate but still talk about bad take. this is some W 🦆
Rosa said:
On the Yuta vs Ryu point. We know Ryu > Yuta in output, and it's implied Yuta > Ryu in reserves. Output is determined by your reserves and control, therefore it's likely Ryu has better control.
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that's what I'm saying altogether. idk why some mfs finding it wild.

M3X_2.0 said:
I'm explaining NOTHING to you. And please do not interact with me.
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Ok then stop talking shit about my take if you're not gonna engage in the discussion.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
the calc for Yuki dodging gravity finna be crazy
or the Kenny reacting to black hole being calced
or calcing kamo reacting to Naoya and Naoya blitzing and the like
or Maki in GW with the bullet speed calc
why can't we use this 😹 calcs shows the narrative.
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Giannysmag said:
Mach 72 Curse Womb Naoya is real
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Mach 3 statement for Naoya ✅
PB speed can be increased ❎

They're nitpicking like this despite both being narrative statements; they want to pick one and disregard the other.

They don't want to disregard the Mach 3 statement, but they are obsessed with ignoring the PB speed increase statement.
 
I never said Yuta's output sucks. I said his ce control when compared to Ryu's, sucks.
Yuta CE reserves >>> Ryu's
Ryu's CE control >>> Yuta's.
Yuta and Ryu's CE reinforcement output >=
 
Rosa said:
to say it "sucks" is a relative claim tbf, and I've only seen then quantify that claim by saying it's worse than Ryu's which is true.
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Then read:
YukaSama4 said:
And when you say Yuta's output sucks you get jumped with shit arguments
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TheGunsFinalWrath said:
His output doesn't suck. His CE control does tho. Only reason he matched with Ryu is due to his abnormally high reserves that compensated for his ce control not being on Ryu level. If it was Ryu's level, Ryu is a instant goner.
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Anyway, both of this claims are false.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Anyway, both of this claims are false
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good luck in proving that
also what? ce control ISN'T the sole factor that determines your ce output? I literally just said his ce reserves filled in the between him and Ryu in ce output. Just like how Ryu's CE control does the same for him against Yuta's abnormally huge ce reserves.
 
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