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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Arkenis said:
Idk what type of mental gymnastics you're doing but stop. Gojo lost to the 10s, it is the very reason Gojo lost. That's my whole point. If you wanna say "well actually Gojo lost to world slash", the reason Sukuna even got there was due to 10s.
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He didn't lose to the 10S
If Sukuna didn't have other CTs beside 10S, he would've lost there.

Arkenis said:
And this whole thing is about the Limitless being why he's the strongest, and how did he beat Mahoraga?
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This is not how it works
What do you want gojo to win by? You want him to pull out a JL out of his ass? Or a Hakai?

Or are you saying anyone who wins by his CT is just a random user?

You are ignoring that normal limitless six eyes users can't beat Mahoraga

If Gojo managed to pull that off then he isn't any random limitless six eyes user
Gojo was too good in that fight that he even used Mahoraga's adaptation in his advantage
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I don't know if you don't understand how CTs work or you're doing this on purpose
But CTs usually hit a limit, and you go beyond that limit with creativity in expanding the CT interpretation
Which what Gojo did (simultaneous activation of blue and red, teleportation techniques..itc)
If Gojo was a random user Mahoraga would've killed him just like the previous user lost to untamed Mahoraga

You're equating this"limitless six eyes user lost to untamed Maho" to this "limitless six eyes user destroyed Mahoraga even when it was protected by Sukuna, and then he lost to a completely different CT"

Arkenis said:
No you're slightly taking this out of context. The remark is meant to praise and raise Gojo to what no one ever recognized him as, that he is just Gojo Satoru, he's not the strongest. He's magnificent, in the fact that he's a good sorcerer, nothing more like Sukuna is.
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This proves that you are reading JJK from YouTube

If Sukuna is saying Gojo isn't the strongest but he's magnificent then so what? You can't pick both
Either pick Gojo is painfully ordinary/random six eyes limitless user carried by his CT or pick Gojo was a great sorce

Chapter 230 "you're painfully ordinary"

Chapter 236 "you're magnificent "

If you can't see any difference between painfully ordinary and magnificent which basically happened after Gojo destroyed Mahoraga and made Sukuna feel nervous for the first time in 1000 years then go reread the chapters from 230 to 236 again instead of bringing headcanon explanations
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Not necessarily. We have a instance where a limitless + six eyes user, died to a untamed Mahoraga.
Gojo isn't just "ct and six eyes". There's kind of a reason as to why the world balance shifted when he was born (You don't have your ct until a certain age. so you technically don't have it upon being born) and it's not just because of the six eyes, but his talent.
Gege kinda references this multiple times, both when he calls him a rare prodigy - excludes six eyes, and Kusakabe calling him a genius that can do anything he tries (even gojo's profile says the same thing)
point being made here, is that this is about talent. Gojo's talent is a major factor here.
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I changed that shortly after
I said he's the strongest because of the whole package not just his CT and six eyes
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
It was a tamed Mahoraga even, amped by a fellow strongest sorcerer in verse.
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Yup
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Nah he said it was close to it.
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I will check that later because my phone is on 2% atm and I'm in the bus


At this point idk what's Arkenis problem with Gojo

Gojo is a random six eyes limitless user just as Sukuna said he's painfully ordinary

Gojo isn't reliable in CE manipulation
Gojo isn't reliable when he talks about his students

At this point it feels you're just a Gojo hater
 
YukaSama4 said:
I changed that shortly after
I said he's the strongest because of the whole package not just his CT and six eyes
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Oh okay.


Btw I gotta ask all of yall something. As I'm curious to what others think. Do yall think Gojo manifesting infinity into reality prove that infinity is a concept. or no?

Here's the scan in question:
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GJ:”Infinity’s something that’s naturally here. I just bring it into reality”

⇒ “Infinity is something that’s essentially present everywhere. My technique just brings it into reality.” (Correct TL)

Source of Translation ->

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Lightning's TL:
"Infinity exists by nature. My Jujutsu simply brings it to reality.

Convergence. Divergence. What d'you think will happen if you touched this Void?" (this is from the cut off part but you can ignore it)
Lightning note: "本来至る所 = exists naturally, by its nature, is there intrinsically. They all mean the same thing, just slightly different semantics"

These are the main scans used. Of course, then there is the one from volume 0 book or whatever.

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Translation:
``
"Limitless Jujutsu"

Miguel had it explained beforehand by Geto. It's literally a technique that materializes the concept of infinity. It is a hereditary technique that establishes Gojou Satoru as the strongest.

Precisely because it possesses unprecedented destructive power, meticulous manipulation of cursed energy at the atomic level is required to control it. The burden of calculating to the extent of controlling spacetime is unavoidable; if handled properly, the brain will inevitably burn out."
``

What are yall thoughts
 
M3X_2.0 said:
There is not a reason to believe his output sucks. You get jumped because this idea is dumb as shit.

Yall interpret things wrongly and act like that's a fact for the manga. Dude matched the "highest output in history" guy.
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His output doesn't suck. His CE control does tho. Only reason he matched with Ryu is due to his abnormally high reserves that compensated for his ce control not being on Ryu level. If it was Ryu's level, Ryu is a instant goner.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Oh okay.


Btw I gotta ask all of yall something. As I'm curious to what others think. Do yall think Gojo manifesting infinity into reality prove that infinity is a concept. or no?

Here's the scan in question:
71de2a33b52ecb042b49a89bf76841c7c92b4d2e.png


GJ:”Infinity’s something that’s naturally here. I just bring it into reality”

⇒ “Infinity is something that’s essentially present everywhere. My technique just brings it into reality.” (Correct TL)

Source of Translation ->

71de2a33b52ecb042b49a89bf76841c7c92b4d2e.png

Lightning's TL:
"Infinity exists by nature. My Jujutsu simply brings it to reality.

Convergence. Divergence. What d'you think will happen if you touched this Void?" (this is from the cut off part but you can ignore it)
Lightning note: "本来至る所 = exists naturally, by its nature, is there intrinsically. They all mean the same thing, just slightly different semantics"

These are the main scans used. Of course, then there is the one from volume 0 book or whatever.

2APRkzR-2.png


Translation:
``
"Limitless Jujutsu"

Miguel had it explained beforehand by Geto. It's literally a technique that materializes the concept of infinity. It is a hereditary technique that establishes Gojou Satoru as the strongest.

Precisely because it possesses unprecedented destructive power, meticulous manipulation of cursed energy at the atomic level is required to control it. The burden of calculating to the extent of controlling spacetime is unavoidable; if handled properly, the brain will inevitably burn out."
``

What are yall thoughts
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Infinity used to be accepted as a type 2 concept. It's kinda vague and there's nothing that's solid so don't count on it
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Oh okay.


Btw I gotta ask all of yall something. As I'm curious to what others think. Do yall think Gojo manifesting infinity into reality prove that infinity is a concept. or no?

Here's the scan in question:
71de2a33b52ecb042b49a89bf76841c7c92b4d2e.png


GJ:”Infinity’s something that’s naturally here. I just bring it into reality”

⇒ “Infinity is something that’s essentially present everywhere. My technique just brings it into reality.” (Correct TL)

Source of Translation ->

71de2a33b52ecb042b49a89bf76841c7c92b4d2e.png

Lightning's TL:
"Infinity exists by nature. My Jujutsu simply brings it to reality.

Convergence. Divergence. What d'you think will happen if you touched this Void?" (this is from the cut off part but you can ignore it)
Lightning note: "本来至る所 = exists naturally, by its nature, is there intrinsically. They all mean the same thing, just slightly different semantics"

These are the main scans used. Of course, then there is the one from volume 0 book or whatever.

2APRkzR-2.png


Translation:
``
"Limitless Jujutsu"

Miguel had it explained beforehand by Geto. It's literally a technique that materializes the concept of infinity. It is a hereditary technique that establishes Gojou Satoru as the strongest.

Precisely because it possesses unprecedented destructive power, meticulous manipulation of cursed energy at the atomic level is required to control it. The burden of calculating to the extent of controlling spacetime is unavoidable; if handled properly, the brain will inevitably burn out."
``

What are yall thoughts
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Makes sense because the fanbook says it’s the strongest cursed technique, knowing about the TS and shrine
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
the JJK0 Gojo is weak meta makes no sense
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No one calls Vol0 Gojo weak, the issue is there's simply no evidence that he's stagnated in power to upscale vol0 characters such as Miguel. We know after Gojo awakened he went on to continue training and getting stronger so there's no reason to assume he stopped specifically after vol0 (we even see him training Megumi and are told he'll often train with his students personally), we know he never stopped taking missions (some of which he lands black flashes during) which sorcerers get stronger from, we know he has insane potential to grow exponentially, and we know he never reached his limit because even his CT has room to grow (unlimited hollow was the first time he ever reinterpreted his CT to do so and it had room for improvement, not to mention the potential for a limitless maximum technique). So with all this in mind, there's just no basis to say vol0 Gojo = current Gojo, we should scale them off of their own feats.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
His output doesn't suck. His CE control does tho. Only reason he matched with Ryu is due to his abnormally high reserves that compensated for his ce control not being on Ryu level. If it was Ryu's level, Ryu is an instant goner.
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His control over explicitly cannot suck, considering he can amp his weapons alongside his body with his monstrous CE and not have it break, which was the issue he had in Vol 0. He couldn’t input enough against Geto’s curse, and he input too much against Geto himself.

Ryu just had higher output, I don’t know why that’s such a contested topic.
 
Rosa said:
No one calls Vol0 Gojo weak, the issue is there's simply no evidence that he's stagnated in power to upscale vol0 characters such as Miguel. We know after Gojo awakened he went on to continue training and getting stronger so there's no reason to assume he stopped specifically after vol0 (we even see him training Megumi and are told he'll often train with his students personally), we know he never stopped taking missions (some of which he lands black flashes during) which sorcerers get stronger from, we know he has insane potential to grow exponentially, and we know he never reached his limit because even his CT has room to grow (unlimited hollow was the first time he ever reinterpreted his CT to do so and it had room for improvement, not to mention the potential for a limitless maximum technique). So with all this in mind, there's just no basis to say vol0 Gojo = current Gojo, we should scale them off of their own feats.
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Ok now let’s consider what is constant between now and JJK0:
  • Hakari still considered JJK0 Gojo unbeatable despite only last meeting him one year later, and he’s stronger than Sendai Yuta at his peak
  • He still has all the same titles, and his reputation wasn’t built in a year, so he should still be the fastest sorcerer alive and faster than Naobito. This means JJK0 Gojo is at least supersonic via being faster than Naobito

So we get to a Gojo that tiers basically the same as the current Gojo, and barely any difference anyways. So why take it as this, then? Knowing JJK0 Gojo is supersonic, we can know he’d still be relevant vs Sukuna and knowing Maki caps at Toji level, he’d be an insane asset vs Current Sukuna
 
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