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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

I wouldn't be surprised for Gege to just ignore this and bring up another anti feat for the verse but so far the people who scale to that calc feat wise are Kashimo and Hakari (the one who dodged).
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
It’s a bit weird for people like Hakari and Yuta to scale almost 5000x above the mid tiers, no?
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No lol. Yuta is the only person Gojo thinks can protect the kids and goes to him for that reason. Gojo thinks yuta and hakari can become as good as him someday, Yuji thinks Yuta can fight 15 fingers Sukuna, Hakari's domain grants him unlimited curse energy and that's when he did the dodging feat with that curse energy amp. Yuta also has boundless curse energy or just a lot. They are generally shown to be above the mid tiers by a massive difference. Another thing is that I calced the same speed feat and used a much a lower level for electricity's speed Mach 1.6 and got Mach 6 for Hakari's dodging.
 
Arkenis said:
No lol. Yuta is the only person Gojo thinks can protect the kids and goes to him for that reason. Gojo thinks yuta and hakari can become as good as him someday, Yuji thinks Yuta can fight 15 fingers Sukuna, Hakari's domain grants him unlimited curse energy and that's when he did the dodging feat with that curse energy amp. Yuta also has boundless curse energy or just a lot. They are generally shown to be above the mid tiers by a massive difference. Another thing is that I calced the same speed feat and used a much a lower level for electricity's speed Mach 1.6 and got Mach 6 for Hakari's dodging.
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Mach 6 god tiers seems pretty plausible comfortably above the likes of Naoya and Maki but not to the point they statue the mid tiers.
 
PowerToScale said:
I hate when authors don't understand simple power scaling. Like Maki first feat being at lowest supersonic but then say like they're no faster than a car. The best we can do for the current scaling is continue with the feats>Statements and use the feats as an example of why Gege's narrative isn't supported by visual representation could be disregarded. I find funny that sound users are now only 1/3 of Naoya's speed.

Hey, At least Hakari and, Yuuta and Gojo (via scaling to Hakari) at being leagues above everyone and their own massively Hypersonic feat to scale.... INb4 Mach 3 > Lightning with Gege statements
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PowerToScale said:
Going by what we know, this is the current scaling (If speed downgrade happens). Also this is all at their current levels (not including pre-shibuya)

God Tiers:
Gojo: At least Massively Hypersonic/+ (Scales above Hakari)

Infinite Hakari: At least Massively Hypersonic/+ (dodged lightening, got faster later in the fight)

Yuuta: At least Massively Hypersonic/+ (Considered comparable to Hakari)

High Tiers:
-Naoya (cursed): Supersonic+ (Mach 3)

-Awakened Maki: Supersonic (scales to immature Naoya) [Didn't seem to be able to keep up with transformed Naoya]

-Kamo (Red Scales): Supersonic (Pushed his reactions to the limit to react to Naoya)

-Toji: Supersonic (Scales to Maki)

Mid Tiers:
-Yuji (Shibuya/post Shibuya): At least Subsonic (Is combat grade 1 level sources), possible Transonic (Has dodged piercing blood on occasions and the edge of propellers from helicopter dude) [edge of propellers can move and speed of sound, also this would be low end supersonic]

-Megumi (Shibuya/Post Shibuya): At least Subsonic, possible Transonic (Comparable to Yuji and Nobara). Supersonic, possibly Massively Hypersonic via Nue electricity (Nue's electricity has shown properties of being real electricity, and compared to Kashimo's lightning which is real).

-Nobara (Shibuya): At least Subsonic, possibly Transonic (Comparable to Yuji and Megumi)
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Yuji should be a high tier in the Culling Games Arc. Him with 0 CE in his body is comparable to a Grade 1 Sorcerer physically, which is essentially where Megumi and Nobara who scale to the Transonic are, and CE gives a proportionate boost that makes people go from at most peak human speed with no CE to these Sub/Transonic speeds. And Choso, who needed Stack to keep up with a 4 Finger Yuji sees this 15 Finger Yuji with more mastery of CE post Mahito fight and considers him a 'Demon God' compared to before even while Yuji wasn't fully healed, showing he's far stronger. There's also Yuta stating he was aiming to blitz and one shot Yuji but failing to do so and saying killing Yuji wouldn't be easy (while just using reinforcement/physical stats and no abilities), and Yuji surviving base Hakari's held back punches. (Though Megumi thought Yuji was gonna be incapped or killed)

As for Nue, idr every seeing it shoot out lightning but rather imbue it's body and physical attacks with it.

Human Naoya was above Maki in terms of movement and combat speed but she mentioned that her body was fast enough to react to him. She was only able to land one punch on him, so he should still scale above her even as a human in terms of overall movement and combat speed, though reactions are relative. She was injured yes, but she implied that only would've affected her later on in the fight rather than in the moment.

I'm not sure if Yuta has any evidence or scaling to upscale him to Hakari and Kashimo's speed. Yuta says that Hakari is stronger than him (stated in story once and implied by Gege 3 times...I have scans for this), and in context from what we've seen, this should mean in terms of physical stats since Hakari doesn't have many offensive hax besides his rough CE. At best, Yuta and the Sendai crew should get an 'At least above insert human or Curse Naoya speed depending on context 'possibly' Massively Hypersonic+, since there's nothing that scales them to Hakari and Kashimo unlike say, Gojo and Full Power Sukuna who would definitely scale above.

Yuta and the Sendai crew should scale above human Naoya who was terrified of possibly making Yuta think he was a threat. Though we don't 100% know for sure if this is because of speed, it's very likely Naoya wouldn't be scared of someone that couldn't catch him, and Base Yuta should scale above Choso who was able to perceive Naoya in a similar way to Maki despite not really scaling in movement and combat speed.

It's weird considering the Naobito statement, because Naoya has better feats and Yuta has far better lore implications than Naobito. The Sendai Crew and Kashimo were 'dead' when the statement was made, and Hakari's power is circumstantial (albeit in a very rigged, almost guaranteed way), which puts him outside of certain narrator statements like Naobito being considered the second fastest or Yuta being considered the second strongest (unless we consider the Viz 'unusual abilities' as more valid which would make the statement not matter). It helps that Hakari who's circumstantially the strongest Jujutsu sorcerer that we know of besides Gojo has the best speed feat in the series when he and Kashimo weren't even going max speed. I know it's a big debate between him and Yuta, but he should definitely be outside of Naobito's statement
 
We don't actually see what happens, whether Maki gets blitzed or she was able to react and block but the power was too great and knocked her out regardless, also Curse Naoya range Upgrade with Projection Sorcery
 
Shey said:
We don't actually see what happens, whether Maki gets blitzed or she was able to react and block but the power was too great and knocked her out regardless, also Curse Naoya range Upgrade with Projection Sorcery
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She wasn't even knocked out since her eyes are open and she is grunting while looking at Naoya. Though she took considerable damage since she is bleeding from the mouth.
 
Is there any way to calculate Naoya's feat of blitzing Maki? He covered quite a bit of distance faster than she could react. That seems well above Mach 3.
 
Steve_Rogers1 said:
Is there any way to calculate Naoya's feat of blitzing Maki? He covered quite a bit of distance faster than she could react. That seems well above Mach 3.
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If Gege directly stated it’s Mach 3 it takes priority over any possible calcs. Death of the author fallacy wouldn’t even be present here because there aren’t an insane amount of >Mach1 feats in the verse, and actually a number of anti feats (Kenjaku getting tagged by Maki’s regular sniper bullets, Itadori failing to react to a transonic blood beam from Choso)
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
If Gege directly stated it’s Mach 3 it takes priority over any possible calcs. Death of the author fallacy wouldn’t even be present here because there aren’t an insane amount of >Mach1 feats in the verse, and actually a number of anti feats (Kenjaku getting tagged by Maki’s regular sniper bullets, Itadori failing to react to a transonic blood beam from Choso)
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What?
You mean Mai's sniper bullets, Kenjaku did not get tagged, he straight up reacted and blocked it with a curse despite being unaware initially
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
If Gege directly stated it’s Mach 3 it takes priority over any possible calcs. Death of the author fallacy wouldn’t even be present here because there aren’t an insane amount of >Mach1 feats in the verse, and actually a number of anti feats (Kenjaku getting tagged by Maki’s regular sniper bullets, Itadori failing to react to a transonic blood beam from Choso)
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For both of these, not only does Kenjaku not get tagged (and you mean Mai) but we also have Itadori dodging Choso's attack as well and reacting to it as well. Generally, there are more feats in JJK that go above the Mach 3 statement than there are anti-feats that support it. So, as much as you might not like it, the most this will be used for is potentially making another calc, but otherwise the verse will probably be above the speed given by Gege
 
Duedate8898 said:
For both of these, not only does Kenjaku not get tagged (and you mean Mai) but we also have Itadori dodging Choso's attack as well and reacting to it as well. Generally, there are more feats in JJK that go above the Mach 3 statement than there are anti-feats that support it. So, as much as you might not like it, the most this will be used for is potentially making another calc, but otherwise the verse will probably be above the speed given by Gege
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So we're gonna discredit the author's words? Is that even allowed?
 
Duedate8898 said:
For both of these, not only does Kenjaku not get tagged (and you mean Mai) but we also have Itadori dodging Choso's attack as well and reacting to it as well. Generally, there are more feats in JJK that go above the Mach 3 statement than there are anti-feats that support it. So, as much as you might not like it, the most this will be used for is potentially making another calc, but otherwise the verse will probably be above the speed given by Gege
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JJK fans when Gege consistently implies the speed of sound is extremely fast for the verse (it just means we can use it for calcs cause feats go brr)

Maki literally said she would need to prepare if he came at the speed of sound, implying she is incapable of reacting on a whim
 
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