Giannysmag
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Also i am already betting that this is either going to be revealed to be a random guy with Geto's hairstyle or it's never gonna be addressed againI KNEW
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Giannysmag
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Man i hope it actually happens otherwise I'm gonna be so sad cause this just ain't it
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We have time for background character and two page rant about being mangaka but somehow megumi’s sister only get one page mention I gonna cry
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The things Todo pointed out were valid points though, Maki likely wouldn't have even got a hit in given Kenjaku reacted to Yuta's initial attempted and Todo had to teleport him.
What was he supposed to do? He's not exactly a notable fighter, all we know is that he can weaponise sound attacks (which even fodder like Juzo can counter), bros unironically a Haruta victim.
Most of them likely just didn't want to fight Sukuna (i.e. didn't want to march to their own death, like Kamo chose not to) nor have any good enough scaling to even be worth considering, not to mention they've been preparing for war between each other.
Charles allowed his CT to be used, and he'd get blitzed by anyone else in the fight given base Hakari was badly blitzing him (making him more of nuisance than anything - similar to the other mentions), Hazenoki fought Kenjaku and probably wasn't able to be located, Uro definitely doesn't have the backbone to fight Sukuna, most of the Culling Game players were also taken in by the military. The only exceptions would be Daido and Miyo, they could've been useful, though again there could be a billion reasons why they personally wouldn't want to or were simply just hard to find.
Utahime's CT requires close proximity, a lot of the insurance required the use of domains and Sukuna was very mobile throughout, plus Sukuna would've likely just killed Utahime (with that being something Higuruma planned around with his own plan of avoiding Yuta's presence to not make Sukuna go for the kill immediately).
Chants in general are just ineffective for combat, unless you're GOJO SATORU and Sukuna ig... we see this with Yuta.
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Utahime CT really wouldn't work in the battlefield but it would be sick if she buffed Nobara before the resonance
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Kenjaku ******* came back god damn it.
That also means they once again won’t be able to give Geto a proper burial. RIP
That also means they once again won’t be able to give Geto a proper burial. RIP
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Guess my Kenjaku worst JJK villain take has to be put on hold until next chapter
EldemadeDityjon
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It would be really weird for Takaba to find a partner in such a short time since he wasn't capable to do so for years and years
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He did have a mini arc of finally dedicating himself to making everybody laugh and he found the perfect partner in Kenjaku
I don't believe he's back whatsoever
But I think this is one of those lil things authors throw in at the end of the series with no real explanation for feel good points (Like the reincarnate of Zeref and Mavis at the end of Fairy Tail)
and I'm here for it
I don't believe he's back whatsoever
But I think this is one of those lil things authors throw in at the end of the series with no real explanation for feel good points (Like the reincarnate of Zeref and Mavis at the end of Fairy Tail)
and I'm here for it
Giannysmag
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In what world does the revival of Jujutsu Hitler count as a "feel good thing"
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He wants Takaba's backshots now
Arkenis
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Maki got it like that she good for it.
Ya act like the curses Kenjaku has are all special grades or something. Gaku is the very least a first grade, he can handle fighting tons of curses.
Dude what??? I'm saying these guys could've all fought the curses when Kenjaku died.
Where are ya getting Utahime's ct range is really small?
What is this rewriting of the manga?? Chants, handsigns they are all the basic means of doing jujutsu and the subtraction of them is a display of mastery. How would they suddenly be ineffective for this new generation of gassed up sorcerers?
EldemadeDityjon
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Literally Maki if she went to Assassinate Kenny.
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JJK Part 2 is Real
Arkenis
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Literally Maki if she went to Assassinate Kenny.
- Can't be sensed
- Too fast for Kenjaku
- Resist curses
- Split Soul Katana
- Physically stronger
- Can heal
- Domain not strong enough
- Takaba wearing him down
- Todo aids via actually fighting
He couldn't possibly win.
EldemadeDityjon
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I know you just surf through chapters. SSK is a cursed tool
Nice headcanon. I would take Todo's words above your headcanon.
Curses ≠ Cursed technique of curses
Wow doesn't matter if it can't hit him.
Doesn't matter
He doesn't need to heal when she can't even hit him.
Irrelevant
Irrelevant Todo's statement includes Weakened Kenny.
Doesn't matter.
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He was just a silly guy looking for some fun
His merger failed so Let him have this
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Maki can't be sensed is what I'm referring to. And do you not remember this? It's still hard to keep track of them even by sensing the ce on them. And the funny part Kenjaku's in a forest, Maki would've been so capable of surprising him.
Show me Kenjaku being fast as Maki. Dude fights no speed feats Yuki and bum First Grade Choso lmao.
No one said that, but name these cursed techniques of the curses since you brought it up.
Can and will.
Sounds like you agree.
I'm saying Maki can heal....
Sounds like you agree.
Right listen to Todo lmao. Everyone opposed Yuta's choice but somehow Todo said Maki wrong so its wrong? Todo's statement is solely to do with Maki not being viable for teleporting around Kenjaku, not that she's overall a bad choice. And then, they had a work around for Maki being unable to be teleported which they literally used against Sukuna. Makes no sense someone couldn't have accompanied Maki, say idk, Kusakabe, Miwa, Ino and this then allows Yuta to be there to aid them fight Sukuna.
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Idk how many times it needs to be said that Yuta was their biggest hope for y'all to realise replacing him with someone else makes whatever plan null
EldemadeDityjon
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Scan explicitly states Toji is faster than Gojo. Go make a match for Maki vs Kenny. I'll participate there. I'm not wasting my time with you here.Maki can't be sensed is what I'm referring to. And do you not remember this? It's still hard to keep track of them even by sensing the ce on them. And the funny part Kenjaku's in a forest, Maki would've been so capable of surprising him.
Show me Kenjaku being fast as Maki. Dude fights no speed feats Yuki and bum First Grade Choso lmao.
No one said that, but name these cursed techniques of the curses since you brought it up.
Can and will.
Sounds like you agree.
I'm saying Maki can heal....
Sounds like you agree.
Right listen to Todo lmao. Everyone opposed Yuta's choice but somehow Todo said Maki wrong so its wrong? Todo's statement is solely to do with Maki not being viable for teleporting around Kenjaku, not that she's overall a bad choice. And then, they had a work around for Maki being unable to be teleported which they literally used against Sukuna. Makes no sense someone couldn't have accompanied Maki, say idk, Kusakabe, Miwa, Ino and this then allows Yuta to be there to aid them fight Sukuna.
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He wasn't. The plan could've been thought out more. And the thing is Yuta acknowledges how bad his choice was after seeing how everything went without him there.
Just ignored the entire point lmao.
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I feel like every time you say this you ignore how its almost always immediately countered the next instant
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they have only one chance at surprise attack and he almost got yuta catch up in anti-gravity.
anyone else that doesn't significantly faster than yuta will get pin down by anti-gravity. this is pretty clear
maki can't be sense doesn't help anti-gravity is AOE.
anyone else that doesn't significantly faster than yuta will get pin down by anti-gravity. this is pretty clear
maki can't be sense doesn't help anti-gravity is AOE.
EldemadeDityjon
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Even with Yuta being around Higuruma, it's explicitly stated that Higuruma would have died sooner. Sukuna wouldn't be playing around with him. Then they would be in the same situation, where Yuta opens his domain, and it all starts over again.
I feel like people just want to push some agenda nowadays instead of reading what's actually written in the manga.
I feel like people just want to push some agenda nowadays instead of reading what's actually written in the manga.
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they have only one chance at surprise attack and he almost got yuta catch up in anti-gravity.
anyone else that doesn't significantly faster than yuta will get pin down by anti-gravity. this is pretty clear
maki can't be sense doesn't help anti-gravity is AOE.
Maki > Yuki.
Hig is talking about after their plan failed and Sukuna could've killed all them anyway, that isn't a good explanation for why Yuta wasn't there. And Hig's domain would've stopped this as well. How is Yuta being there when Sukuna's rct is weak, he has no domain and he's got several others aiding him not the better plan? Especially with Larue and Miguel coming in shortly after this.
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yeah she will survive but they lose they only chances at surprise attack.
now it's become full fight and they plan fails.
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Maki > Yuki.
Hig is talking about after their plan failed and Sukuna could've killed all them anyway, that isn't a good explanation for why Yuta wasn't there. And Hig's domain would've stopped this as well. How is Yuta being there when Sukuna's rct is weak, he has no domain and he's got several others aiding him not the better plan? Especially with Larue and Miguel coming in shortly after this.
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EldemadeDityjon
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For one, if Yuki's fast enough to dodge out of, and Maki's faster, in addition to her senses she would sense it coming earlier, dodge, and then in the interval where he can't use it, press him again and shred any curses he throws. And we can tell Kenjaku was low on curses of any substantial note to be effective in this fight. The fact we see nothing come out after his death is one, but also the fact when faced with a new opponent he resorts to his gravity instead of any curses says a lot about his arsenal.
I think so too. But Gege definitely could've spun it to be emotional against Sukuna, the guy who just killed his sensei. We all saw how Yuta looked on 236.
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the point is if maki need to dodge it's already over.
their plan is to avoid fight kenjaku and sneak kill him.
can maki kill kenjaka? maybe but their need everyone back on fighting sukuna ASAP.
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Gege's gonna hit us with a slice of life, idol, shōjo manga. All the fans dreams will turn into nightmares when the fandom gets flooded with people arguing over who the mc should end up with and "who's the best waifu".
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Oh about new chapter is gege really just hand wave tenges and say “we’ll somehow deal with it later(likely never because it’ll end in two chapters)”??
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Todo doesn't seem to think Maki could, I think Kenjaku has inverse scaling suggesting to at least be relative to Maki in sheer combat speed (if not just outright faster), though I'm curious why you think she's faster I wanna see the scaling chain for that because rn I'm revising my Maki speed inverse scaling in general tbh.
I assumed you were asking why they didn't help jump Sukuna with Higuruma, my bad, the Kenjaku siege was a sneak attack so idk if they could've gotten away with several people all jumping - that might've been too much for Takaba to blindside, and there's also the fact that they'd have to travel (such as Gakuganji) halfway across Japan whilst Ui Ui is focused on protecting the injured against Sukuna. There's also the fact that Kenjaku's curses aren't powerful due to quality (although there certainly are a lot of quality curses, such as grade 1 curses with domain expansions and special grade curses) but due to sheer quantity (i.e. Choso fight, Kenjaku says no grade 1 would withstand such a barrage from his centipede curses), so yea I honestly don't think they'd be much help.
We don't really know her range, but every time she's used it it's been within the proximity of those applied. In Shibuya she had to be stood right next to everyone whilst preparing, in Shinjuku she was next to everyone involved, and we have moments like the GWE where if she could've effected people at a distance with it then it would've been incredibly smart to do so as opposed to her just running in.
As opposed to simply using the CT (assuming they're able to) then yea it is, chants take additional time which your opponent can exploit (and we know Sukuna would exploit that). Idk why you think the removal of chants being a display of mastery suddenly means the masters of jujutsu should be relying on chants, we know it buffs up output but at a severe risk - a risk we see the main cast get punished for. There's also not a lot of room for chants; Higuruma wouldn't need them (the sword is instant death either way), Yuta obviously couldn't (he didn't use his CT outside of whats granted by his DE), Yuji used a BV to amp his CT, Miguel arguably did chants (or more so needed to use chants via dancing, tho that might be something different idrk), Todo has little need for chants (idrk how that'll even work), Yuta did use chants in Gojo's body, Nobara could've ig but she was using a BV to amp her CT already, Choso maybe could've but I can't think of any point where he had time to spare, Ino too.
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Well the story is too clear on Maki's physical prowess being higher than everyone else's. These short moments of "oh well look they can keep up with her here" aren't meant to be definitive showings of her overall speed. Sukuna's acknowledgement of her physical superiority and need to challenge it makes it out to be Maki's power is above others. Inverse scaling is fine when the story isn't pushing a clear disparity in who's the faster or the strongest, so yeah we can scale Kenjaku to Kashimo, Hakari, Yuki, or whatever chain of scaling it might be but it doesn't trump the narrative for her being superior to others. Another thing we can look at is how Yuki calls Toji "truly superhuman" and how losing to him shouldn't make Geto feel bad. It's like tryna compete against Gojo in cursed energy control and you lose, no one barring Sukuna and Gojo can evenly compete with her. Then her senses make her reaction and any attacks she decides on better than others since everything around her flows into her at a faster rate than others.
Everyone doesn't have to engage at the same time. They can wait until Maki has cleaned it up. Maki alone can clear out hundreds of curses all by herself also, they just be there for aid. And Domains aren't a problem since everyone here has simple domain now.
Chants don't seem to be slow, and then there's compressed chants they can learn. Higuruma's chant could make his sword bigger, make his mallet heavier, Yuta could've revealed he gains knowledge about chants from Rika from the ct she gains, Yuji has Blood manip, he can get chants for that. Todo's doesn't need chants, Gege gave him something better but the chants could've done it for a one time moment sorta thing. Nobara's really irrelevant.
