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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Gokukid2005 said:
How in the world can you have Yuji in top 3 but Yuta out of top 5
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Your mistake is taking Elde seriously for anything. The dude who thinks Yuji is top 3 and Yuta is out of the top 5. The same dude who said Kusakabe beats Maki.

None of this will be reflected on the profiles when the revisions come out.
 
LIGHTYW said:
bro, what are you even trying to argue about?
It literally doesnt matter how much sukuna improve his condition, the first sec yuji hits his soul, his output go down again, this is stated by SUKUNA HIMSELF lmao, in chap 266 sukuna literally recognizes that it doesnt matter if he uses RCT or BFs to recover his shit, he still cant deal with yujis soul punches exactly because they make him weaker and weaker, this is literally the only reason why sukuna risked it all using D.E again, because he knows that on h2h, he'll just get weaker till hes dead or kicked out of the body
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To elaborate on this, it was stated in 250 by Sukuna himself that Yuji's punches not only decrease his output but also weaken his control over his vessel, and that he could chip away at him until he can no longer maintain HWB. In 266, we see this called back to in that HWB started cracking. He says he can't overcome Yuji's effect on him with RCT.

In 256, it was established that Sukuna can't benefit from the stat amp of a Black Flash as long as Yuji keeps hitting him. Sukuna landed Black Flash once more after this, a fact which was then offset by Yuji hitting him a bunch more times, which included seven uses of Black Flash. The young legend has been hitting him ever since then, thus he's suffering a net loss despite having landed Black Flash twice more.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Your mistake is taking Elde seriously for anything. The dude who thinks Yuji is top 3 and Yuta is out of the top 5.
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Other JJK fans also think that.
M3X_2.0 said:
The same dude who said Kusakabe beats Maki.
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I taken back this so no need to think I have Kusakabe above Maki currently
M3X_2.0 said:
None of this will be reflected on the profiles when the revisions come out.
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Profile wouldn't be updated based Awakened Yuji is stronger than Yuta or Yuta is stronger than Awakened Yuji though. They would be scaling to Sukuna Lol.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
They are wrong just as you are.
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Saying Current Yuji gaps Base Kashimo, Hakari, and Maki shouldn't be that big of take.

He's got Kashimo beat in terms of survivability and ability. Hakari beat in terms of abilties. And Maki beat in terms of healing and stamina. Sure all three could probably take him on specifcally and have a case for victory, but in terms of overall ability and feats Yuji outdoes all of these characters.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Saying Current Yuji gaps Base Kashimo, Hakari, and Maki shouldn't be that big of take.

He's got Kashimo beat in terms of survivability and ability. Hakari beat in terms of abilties. And Maki beat in terms of healing and stamina. Sure all three could probably take him on specifcally and have a case for victory, but in terms of overall ability and feats Yuji outdoes all of these characters.
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Yuji top 5 isn't a bad take. But I find it silly to break the top 4 that was already established with very solid reasoning. That's a hurdle that Yuji has no solid arguments for
 
I don’t think it’s insane to think he beats these 3 characters, it’s just that his discussion is with them and not with someone like Kenjaku or Yuta.

Not saying he’s not close to them, it’s just that he has more chances to beat Maki, Hakari and Kashimo than he has against Kenjaku, Yuta or Yuki (who’s massively underrated)
 
Kashimo is one I can agree with cause Yuji directly counters him. Tho his lightning would definitely pose a problem.
Maki I'm 50/50 and Hakari I just can't see him being put down especially with him being able to keep Uraume busy for so long
 
M3X_2.0 said:
I don’t think it’s insane to think he beats these 3 characters, it’s just that his discussion is with them and not with someone like Kenjaku or Yuta.

Not saying he’s not close to them, it’s just that he has more chances to beat Maki, Hakari and Kashimo than he has against Kenjaku, Yuta or Yuki (who’s massively underrated)
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I would argue that the gap between someone like Yuta and Kenjaku is far larger than the gap between Yuji and Yuta. At least current Yuji.

And I'm talking less about matchup here and more about general ability/capabilties. Because off of Matchups, Yuta is straight up three or four numbered sorcerer. Having Angel's techinque and Rika just allows him to dominate in a way that even people who should outdo him in terms of AP (Like Yuki) or in Barrier Techinque (like Kenjaku) just have no real strong counterplay around.

But when you think about skill and power for a sorcerer, the only special grade who goes below Yuta is Geto and that's only because he doesn't have his own domain as Geto gets to have that same level of versatility and power that Yuta has through curse spirit manipulation.

But if the ranking is about just power and skill, Yuta does drop out of Top 5. Takaba, Yuki, and Kenjaku all take place as higher on that totem pole for reasons that are pretty clear.

And from there, it really is Yuji and Yuta right next to each other. And the best way I think to look at it isn't that Yuji is that insane right now, but that Yuta isn't actually that crazy when you pull back and look at him. Because there is honestly a discussion to be had about how well Yuta does against Maki, Hakari, and Kashimo as well. These three edge Yuta similarily to how Yuji does.
 
I mean, of course the guy whose ability if to Copy more abilities and have a massive bag wouldn’t be in the top 5 for power. It’s not his main thing.

If I decide to make a top 5 based on physical strength Kenjaku probably wouldn’t make it.

A top 5 most skilled fighters, Maki would probably be top 2 or 3.

Each character excels in their area, but if we make a rank based on every capability then maybe the most skilled fighter would drop to 10th or a physically weak guy would go directly to top 3.

So I don’t really understand your point.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Having Angel's techinque and Rika just allows him to dominate in a way that even people who should outdo him in terms of AP (Like Yuki) or in Barrier Techinque (like Kenjaku) just have no real strong counterplay around.
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I'm not trying to start a debate about who wins or loses, but I just wanted to say something about this specific topic.

Inside the Domain, it's crazy targetting specific target with sure hit. Outside, he would get Rika caught in it if he tried to use Jump Kaisen and Angel's CT. Not to mention, Angel's CT pretty much only nullifies CTs and is more effective against people who are reincarnated. So I definitely don't see it having any big impact on modern day Spencers like Yuki.

But you might be spot on about Kenny. I’m not sure because he's a brain, and his CT might be active due to him body-hopping. So Angel CT might null it?
 
It’s more effective on them sure, but if a Jacob’s Ladder is used to kill then it’s gonna erase your CT completely.

Like, I think some can fight without their CT like Sukuna but Yuki aint him.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
It’s more effective on them sure, but if a Jacob’s Ladder is used to kill then it’s gonna erase your CT completely.
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It erases the CT untill light falls upon them. They can still move physically though.
M3X_2.0 said:
Like, I think some can fight without their CT like Sukuna but Yuki aint him.
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She doesn't need to be Sukuna. Angel CT so far only nulls until light falls upon the techniques.
 
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