Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Gokukid2005]

There's also the fact that hard work doesn't always exactly pay off as simply put, you NEED to be born different in the JJK universe or you're screwed.

That is something I've liked from the beginning.
Sometimes a character is just not #him and that's fine.
Miwa gave up swinging a katana to strike Kenjaku, but compared to ones life? That's hardly even a trade off to breach the power gap.
Hell, she could pick up any other weapon and continue as a Jujutsu sorcerer.
If she gave up her life like Mei Mei's birds maybe the results wouldn't have been so sad.

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There are multiple characters who are known for having a specific ability, just for a far better practitioner to show up and outshine them simply because of them being born different or having a far better approach and mindset to Jujutsu
Maki and Toji
Miwa and Kusakabe
Mai and Yorozu
Kamo and Choso
Naobito and Naoya
Inumaki and Yuta
Megumi and Sukuna
Geto and Kenjaku
Yuta(Gojo body) and Gojo himself

 

[Arkenis]

JJK reinvented jumpings, I never said it gave birth to them. Ffs, Demon Slayer had the whole corps jump Muzan. JJK only made it more relevant. Also, a lot of mangas tend to make ways for 1v1s to happen rather than having the logical solution of jumping. Another thing is old mangas also utilized reverse jumpings more than jumpings, Madara vs the shinobi alliance for example, or Aizen vs the Gotei 13 + Vizoreds. It isn't common for an anime to have a jumping actually work without other outside factors contributing, going back to Muzan vs the Demon Slayers, they drugged Muzan multiple times in order to win, and with most of these fights they jump the enemy because they know without a shadow of a doubt they can't win otherwise, like, they have 0 wincons outside of teaming. Yuji and Nanami vs Mahito broke this because Yuji actually held his ground for a bit against Mahito until Nanami came, then they f***ing wailed on him, same with Yuji and Todo vs Mahito.

How did that reinvent it?

There is honor, that much is true, but the concept of honor had changed as the times went by. What would be seen as scumbaggish back in the Heian Era is commonplace in modern jujutsu.

What is scumbaggish in the Heian? And remember this is supposed to be about other mangas form of honor in fighting.

Mostly because you wouldn't expect something like that from Sukuna given his archetype. His character type usually wants to best their rival or opponents in their domain with their own powers, typically refusing outside sources (see also Grimmjow)

It feels like you’re changing what you mean, I thought this was about him as a villain not just his archetype. And this is to do with honor, you may have just misread what Sukuna’s character was about if you think what he did was dishonorable to him or as a sorcerer.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

How did that reinvent it?

Jumpings are far more common and also are for the sake of ease rather than necessity moreso than older manga, not to mention the teamwork in JJK is far better than a lot of other shonen. Most of the time shonen jumpings are a case of "well shit I guess I have to" rather than "lets beat the hell outta this guy". Just look at Goku and Vegeta's team ups. Plus older mangas had more in between time to marinate characters, leading to more interpersonal battles rather than spontaneous combat, meaning the necessity for 1v1s is much lesser storyline wise. When you put it all together, JJK is about wins and losses, teaming is a skill in and of itself, it's why Todo is so broken considering his technique isn't broken, it's the perfect ability for jumpings.

What is scumbaggish in the Heian? And remember this is supposed to be about other mangas form of honor in fighting.

Well, jumping for the sake of it would probably fall under that category, as well as also just chickening out of fights or doing whatever thr hell Mei Mei is doing currently.

It feels like you’re changing what you mean, I thought this was about him as a villain not just his archetype. And this is to do with honor, you may have just misread what Sukuna’s character was about if you think what he did was dishonorable to him or as a sorcerer.

Sukuna is a man of his word, which his words are whatever he wants and which he changes to his liking. People often associate him with Grimmjow (as the two are very similar), but ultimately he wants to win, and he will do anything for it. People misread Sukuna in thinking he was an old-fashioned "put up ya dukes" type of character who fought with no tricks, when tricks is what he knows well and does best, just look at him now, he's bs'ing his way through the verse.