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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Arkenis be like "Hmm yeah despite Yuta being able to use RCT and not being affected by the CE consumption factor since he has a fuckton, he cannot teach it to someone else because he does on instict, therefore, that's something bad!!!"

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Tony_di_bugalu said:
The guy that is more blessed than Gojo himself.
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No
Tony_di_bugalu said:
The guy who originally had a conditionless copy
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Originally
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Tony_di_bugalu said:
The guy who has the second highest CE probably in history
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And one of the worst CE control
Tony_di_bugalu said:
The guy who was stated several times to be a prodigy second to Gojo only (after 1 year of being a sorcerer too)
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Its insane how he barely improved after
Tony_di_bugalu said:
The guy who, with 1 month of real training, was the only one besides Gojo who could actually kill Sukuna.
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are you talking about Itadori
 
It's so funny how Gojo went "Yeah your CE control isn't that good yet" and everyone went crazy thinking Yuta has poor CE control when he actually has it better than almost everyone else, and this was never a problem to him.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Arkenis be like "Hmm yeah despite Yuta being able to use RCT and not being affected by the CE consumption factor since he has a fuckton, he cannot teach it to someone else because he does on instict, therefore, that's something bad!!!"

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Not knowing the process of rct and relying on instinct shows a lack of ce control. That is bad when talking about Yuta’s level of ce control. And the guy is affected by the ce consumption, he ran out from using rct like 4 times.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
It's so funny how Gojo went "Yeah your CE control isn't that good yet" and everyone went crazy thinking Yuta has poor CE control when he actually has it better than almost everyone else, and this was never a problem to him.
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He literally harps on the guy for it being sloppy.
 
Arkenis said:
Not knowing the process of rct and relying on instinct shows a lack of ce control. That is bad when talking about Yuta’s level of ce control. And the guy is affected by the ce consumption, he ran out from using rct like 4 times.
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It doesn't, CE control was never a problem for Yuta, he never had any issues with it. Of course he spends a lot of CE, but he does that because he can. And how the **** does not knowing the process of it makes your CE control bad? Even before learning it Gojo had one of the best CE controls ever because of the Six Eyes.
Arkenis said:
He literally harps on the guy for it being sloppy.
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Yuta still had 0 issues with his CE control as far as the manga goes.
 
Arkenis said:
He literally harps on the guy for it being sloppy.
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I took that statement w/the context of it coming from Gojo's expectations. Since Gojo has the six eyes everyone's CE efficiency/control is sloppy compared to him and he expects more from the special grade that's considered #2 to The Strongest, even if Yuta's efficiency is still exceptional. It's just not the exceptional that Gojo knows Yuta is capable of reaching.
 
JnSteHar002 said:
I took that statement w/the context of it coming from Gojo's expectations. Since Gojo has the six eyes everyone's CE efficiency/control is sloppy compared to him and he expects more from the special grade that's considered #2 to The Strongest, even if Yuta's efficiency is still exceptional. It's just not the exceptional that Gojo knows Yuta is capable of reaching.
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It's even worse for Yuta because he knows he doesn't need a high level of efficiency given he's blessed with half of Sukuna's CE pool.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
It's even worse for Yuta because he knows he doesn't need a high level of efficiency given he's blessed with half of Sukuna's CE pool.
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Reminds me of the Chimera Ants; they have a higher level of talent for Nen and reserves than most humans but a good chunk of them end up wasting it since they never needed to prioritize efficiency
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Why are you even describing the chapter to me? Everyone read this chapter, everyone knows what happened. And you're being very generous to Kashimo, he was completely blitzed by Sukuna and after the blitz, he turn around just to get restrained and punched. He didn't react, he was blitzed.

You take a fight where Kashimo is getting absolutely destroyed and try to make it like he wasn't.
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M3X_2.0 said:
Why are you even describing the chapter to me?
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You admit that I described the chapter and still say I am being generous. Kashimo never got blitzed by Sukuna, his vision was hindered by Sukuna's electricity, as X-rays are a form of high-energy electromagnetic radiation which is straight up disrupted by Electricity. It wasn't a speed blitz and never will be, since we can see Kashimo turning around to combat Sukuna before getting restrained despite the smokescreen. Don't use these lame arguments to downplay Kashimo and then say I'm being generous.
M3X_2.0 said:
Stop lying now. Kashimo only went all out against Maki, he was holding back against Kashimo as well. There is no such a thing as "low output WCS", it's an attack that cuts through space. It has the same potency regardless. Yuta wasn't going all out per se, he wasn't using awakened Rika on that fight, Rika was actually weaker.
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My point is that Sukuna was putting more effort against Kashimo than against Yuji, Yuta, and Rika combined. We both saw the huge unavoidable WCS that led to Kashimo's defeat, something none of the latter three had to experience. Heck, Sukuna wasn't even initially giving a damn about anything Yuta did until Yuta punched his stomach mouth, and yet it took way less to defeat Yuta altogether, despite him giving everything he's got.

Yuta gets striked by lightning then vaporized via EM Waves when going up against CT Kashimo.
 
GunshyFever said:
You admit that I described the chapter and still say I am being generous.
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Let's not play with semantics now.
GunshyFever said:
Kashimo never got blitzed by Sukuna, his vision was hindered by Sukuna's electricity, as X-rays are a form of high-energy electromagnetic radiation that straight up disrupts X-ray vision. It wasn't a speed blitz and never will be, since we can see Kashimo turning around to combat Sukuna before getting restrained despite the smokescreen. Don't use these lame arguments to downplay Kashimo and then say I'm being generous.
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This is not what's happening in the cdhapter. Sukuna didn't use electricity to hinder his vision, Sukuna used electricity to attack Kashimo. He attacks Kashimo and then blitzes him. It is the most common speed blitz, I don't know why you're arguing Sukuna did something he absolutely did not, like hindered Kashimo's vision.
GunshyFever said:
My point is that Sukuna was putting more effort against Kashimo than against Yuji, Yuta, and Rika combined.
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Headcanon, and it's actually the opposite. Sukuna just couldn't do anything against them because otherwise he'd get hit with Jacob's Ladder. He was forced to be on the defensive.
GunshyFever said:
We both saw the huge unavoidable WCS that led to Kashimo's defeat, something none of the latter three had to experience.
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A huge Dismantle nest*, not WCS.
GunshyFever said:
Heck, Sukuna wasn't even initially giving a damn about anything Yuta did until Yuta punched his stomach mouth, and yet it took way less to defeat Yuta altogether, despite him giving everything he's got.
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It took less to defeat Yuta? What are you smoking? Sukuna gambled, he could literally lose right there. Yuta and Yuji were the ones closer to defeat Sukuna, they had the best performance against him after Gojo. Sukuna had to accept getting hit with Jacob's Ladder so he could do something different. That Jacob's Ladder could've erased the finger and killed him. Yuji could've successfully rescued Megumi. Sukuna was toying with Kashimo and definitely not taking as seriously as you think he was.
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Yuta gets striked by lightning then vaporized via EM Waves when going up against CT Kashimo.
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Kashimo is then forced to use HWB because Yuta opens his Domain and is then forced to fight with his legs, not being able to use anything he has.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
This is not what's happening in the cdhapter. Sukuna didn't use electricity to hinder his vision, Sukuna used electricity to attack Kashimo. He attacks Kashimo and then blitzes him. It is the most common speed blitz, I don't know why you're arguing Sukuna did something he absolutely did not, like hindered Kashimo's vision.
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GunshyFever said:
Then, Sukuna charges electricity at Kashimo, blocking his view. Since it is electricity, Kashimo cannot see through it with his X-ray vision, similar to a smoke screen. Even at Sukuna's attempted blitz, Kashimo is still able to react and turn around to attack despite being restrained. He then proceeds to tank even more direct blows.
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You're being extremely disingenuous, the scans literally say otherwise. You're dumbing it down for the sake of downplaying the feat to a blitz.
M3X_2.0 said:
Headcanon, and it's actually the opposite. Sukuna just couldn't do anything against them because otherwise he'd get hit with Jacob's Ladder. He was forced to be on the defensive.
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Holding back while being defensive in a 1v3 with one of the characters being a heavy counter to him is different. Kashimo, who took on that same Sukuna 1 on 1, despite not landing a hit, faced a Sukuna who was still using his abilities way more effectively and was able to keep up with him and is on par with him speed-wise. Sukuna didn't have to use as many abilities against Yuji, Yuta, and Rika, who still died to him by simpler means btw.
M3X_2.0 said:
It took less to defeat Yuta? What are you smoking? Sukuna gambled, he could literally lose right there. Yuta and Yuji were the ones closer to defeat Sukuna, they had the best performance against him after Gojo. Sukuna had to accept getting hit with Jacob's Ladder so he could do something different. That Jacob's Ladder could've erased the finger and killed him. Yuji could've successfully rescued Megumi. Sukuna was toying with Kashimo and definitely not taking as seriously as you think he was.
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You're acting as if a 3v1 is even comparable to a 1 on 1 against a holding back Sukuna, and you're asking me what I'm smoking. It's funny that they were still brought to their knees despite having a significant advantage. You're downplaying so much that you don't even have a clue what you're talking about.
M3X_2.0 said:
Kashimo is then forced to use HWB because Yuta opens his Domain and is then forced to fight with his legs, not being able to use anything he has.
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Dawg, what domain? You think Yuta in character is gonna open his domain before Kashimo gives him a full beatdown and lights him up with lightning and EM waves? Note the speed difference btw. Yuta would be getting outpaced and beaten to a PULP. I encourage you to keep coping, Yuta is garbage compared to King Kashimo and it do be like that sometimes.
 
Gonna be frank regarding Shinjuku Showdown both has Wincons depending on the conditions though it would be more like draw due to Kashimo himself dying
  • If MBA Kashimo gets inside Yuta's domain then Kashimo is cooked (mainly because of JL)
  • If Kashimo blitzes Yuta before his sure hit gets activated. Yuta's Domain sure hit is similar to Mahito domain where User needs to manually activate it so Yuta loses if Kashimo Bliztes him before that.
  • If Yuta fights MBA Kashimo head on head Yuta gets cooked.
That doesn't change Base Kashimo > CG Yuta.

Anyway not interested in this topic much. I'm curious about tomorrow chapter. So if you agree or disagree with this take. Not gonna care much. I'm gonna be back when the leaks are out.
 
JnSteHar002 said:
I took that statement w/the context of it coming from Gojo's expectations. Since Gojo has the six eyes everyone's CE efficiency/control is sloppy compared to him and he expects more from the special grade that's considered #2 to The Strongest, even if Yuta's efficiency is still exceptional. It's just not the exceptional that Gojo knows Yuta is capable of reaching.
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Yeah rereading, Gojo is even surprised Kusakabe hasn’t addressed this in Yuta. The guys control is definitely not good overall, its not just Gojo comparing himself to Yuta, Gojo can just tell how bad it is while others can’t. This is like people not knowing how to read Yuji’s flow cause their senses aren’t as good as Todo, doesn’t mean the flow isn’t bad now. Gojo still gets on him even after his training, telling him he’s more blessed and really needs to take advantage of it. He’s blatantly saying Yuta’s lacking as a blessed sorcerer even compared to himself, how could this mean Yuta is exceptional? The fact Yuta doesn’t even have reinforcement on Ryu’s level should tell you the guy doesn’t have good control.

Yuta’s got bad control -> Some can’t tell -> Gojo can -> It’s still bad
 
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