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This was essentially what I was getting at. Lowkey I think Sukuna, likely due to the twin theory, has some akin to HR with his physicals (obv not HR itself, but something that makes his senses and physicality superhuman).
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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After he got his arm cut, got ganked especially after getting his arm cut off.
And that was when Sukuna was afraid to come out to fight Gojo, where he had to hide behind the shadows
Btw those BF didn't do much. He was trying to figure out on how to create a new rct circuit to increase his output. That's when the actual benefits kicked in for him.
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Jujutsu Kaisen: Sukuna somehow creates a storm
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So technically that shit wasn't a proper 3 vs 1 as you guys are making out Gojo's feat of Fighting them.
2BF already got his RCT output back and we already know 1BF is enough to get the sorcerers into the Zone.
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He was literally outside the Shadow in chapter 235 and still alive. At this point, you are making things up. He wasn't afraid of getting destroyed; instead, he wanted to give Mahoraga orders properly. Agito was a one-trick phony. It didn't contribute much, and Gojo literally mocks it. So it's more like Gojo vs. Mahoraga, with Sukuna controlling it in the background. The arguments shouldn't exist, as Sukuna using his own four arms is equivalent to Mahoraga and brainless Agito using their own hands. Sukuna doesn't lose any momentum even with four arms; he can freely use all of them, unlike Agito, who doesn't have any IQ.
Your argument that Sukuna was afraid isn't going to get you anywhere with the 3 vs. 1 argument. You are technically admitting it was 2 vs. 1 99% of the time, but only Mahoraga was doing something. Agito was just there to fill the gap.
You just didn't compared Sukuna & Grasshopper here?
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Does it scales to anyone?Jujutsu Kaisen: Sukuna somehow creates a storm
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Wouldn’t even scale to him.
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JJK god tiers ain't beating tier 7 allegations
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Toji Fushiguro vs Tak Se’Young
Toji is contracted to kill Tak Se’Young after hearing he is headed to Shibuya to wreck havoc. Toji has 2 hours of preparation Toji AP: 110.14 Tons Tak AP: 164 Tons Location: Downtown Shibuya Post-Timeskip Tak key Speed equalized Toji: @AThe1412 Tak: Inconclusive:
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bro come on
either way Sukuna did try sneak attacking Gojo alongside Maho and Agito in 233, shit failed and he went back to hiding.Sukuna came out, got perception blitzed, Mahoraga then saved him from being hit by a BF, Sukuna tries punching Gojo and gets dragged around by his wrist and caught by Mahoraga, Mahoraga then saves him from a second BF hit, Gojo charges red and Sukuna thinks "it's okay, Mahoraga can save me again!", Gojo fires it and Sukuna, sweating and spitting, begs Mahoraga to save him before trying to sneak another PB shot but gets countered, then Gojo successfully lands purple. Show me where this contradicts Sukuna's fear that Gojo would unleash purple if he came out of hiding?
Sukuna says he's doing it to avoid purple, pretty blatant why he's hiding when he tells us why.
Agito is still stat relative to the three of them, so her having low battle IQ doesn't make it non-comparable. Sukuna is more skilled, sure, but Gojo fighting against 3 sets of arms.
My argument is that Gojo can easily account for a numerical difference in arms, you've yet to show that Sukuna can cross a skill gap with extra arms.
I used an instance where a 4-armed opponent lost to a 2-armed opponent purely due to a skill gap to infer that the same could theoretically occur to another 4-armed opponent if he went up against a better H2H fighters - how is that the same as saying "both 4-armed opponents are equal in skill"?
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you know people can just talk in here for fun right? not every message needs to be about future CRTs... If you don't want to participate, sure just don't, but why be so bitter about it
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I'm not bitter, I was semi joking and I like participating in random discussions. I got into this discussion like two pages ago. Just thought it was funny how much the thread is about Gojo and Sukuna rather than updating profiles/crts is all.you know people can just talk in here for fun right? not every message needs to be about future CRTs... If you don't want to participate, sure just don't, but why be so bitter about it
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"7-A with Domain Expansion" is backJujutsu Kaisen: Sukuna somehow creates a storm
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Eh, we're in a weird spot where most who'd be doing a thread want to wait for the series to end before doing anymore CRT. Or at least this arc if we somehow manage to get another after. We only got these last two threads recently because the last speed downgrade, I don't think ever got implemented properly.
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Maybe? He can focus the destruction in One single point, like against Gojo
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I think FTL might have better legs to stand on now, but that's still a real uphill battle
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Eh, for now I think we should be more worried about whether or not the calc will be even accepted. The cloud end could be dismissed as dust from the debris or whatever, and I'm not too sure at how much sense this actually makes given Sukuna's moveset.
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He just asked If it would scale. I'm not saying if the calc is right or not. In fact, I dont even know the calc method
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Was thinking on it and the anti-feats people use against MHS+ and above just come from inverse takes (like "Naoya > Hakari") which are definitely not set it stone, to the point every crt thread on it comes down to me arguing inverse scaling about these characters which I think is at the very least weak. Like if you need to disregard several feats because of your own inverse metas, a meta which has no explicit feats and statements only "narrative implication", then maybe the inverse meta simply isn't allat. If I ever do a CRT defending JJK speed scaling, I'll focus it far more on attacking all the Naoya and Naobito wank on this site.
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It was given how he hides within the shadows and occasionally takes shots to prevent him from unleashing HP. Agito and Maho are fighting him, where he can't use his neutral infinity almost all of the time. And Sukuna hides within the shadows. IT IS a 3vs1. It's not like Sukuna left the fight. Gojo still has to pay attention to sneak attacks.
Cool, and he was still having his output drop. Why do you think he's barely healing these wounds. It's only after he got his arm cut off that he was finally able to establish a RCT circuit. Those black flashes barely do anything when his brain damage is centered on his CT and is also making his output decline still. Like I said the actual benefits of these only kicked in after some time.
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Quick JJK Revisions
Blue's LS The previous calc for Maximum Output Blue was rejected here, there is a recalc yielding Class M. Gojo's Inviolability The main cast agrees that Gojo's Infinity is impossible to bypass and is inviolable,[21] which means that the many Cursed Techniques they've witnessed are useless...
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bro come on
I already explained that it was a buffed Gojo versus a weakened Sukuna, along with a brainless Agito and a Mahoraga that had not fully adapted to Gojo. This weakened Sukuna, who had to issue commands to Mahoraga, faced off against 2BF Gojo in his zone. Sukuna knew he couldn't let Gojo fire Purple, so he made Agito and Mahoraga fight him while he gave them orders.As I explained, whether Sukuna was afraid or not, Mahoraga and Agito ganging up on Gojo does not demonstrate a significant skill feat. Those two were brainless and required Sukuna's commands to act. Therefore, comparing Gojo fighting them to Sukuna fighting multiple hands is not a fair argument.
There are zero feats showcased relative to that. Gojo literally pierced it and was damaging it with just normal Blue. Agito was obviously below Gojo and Mahoraga. Also, it had only one opening to attack Gojo, which was when Mahoraga made contact with Gojo. As I said, Gojo literally mocks that.
By your logic, if just fighting more opponents is a good feat, then Sukuna fought Kusakabe, Yuji, Choso, Ino, and Higuruma. According to your logic, True Form Sukuna's skill in fighting five people is greater than Gojo fighting three people (Mahoraga, Meguna, and Agito)? You know how silly these arguments sound. Just because Mahoraga and Agito were working under Sukuna, you are trying to say it's the same as Sukuna fighting with his own hands. Not to mention, Sukuna needed to convey his commands through some telepathy link between the Shikigami, as we saw, and Mahoraga and Agito later executed them. It's not the same as him using his hands and legs simultaneously.
- Narratively stated to be not hindered by any means.
- Can defend with 2 hands and simultaneously attack with remaining 2 hands. (Which already dwarfs Meguna:s skills). He can also just catch his opponents with 2 hands and beat the shit out of them with remaining 2 hands.
- There are too many feats which he performed better than having 2 hands with his 4 hands. Not to mention he also uses kicks and all when fighting others alongside mixing that up with his 4 arms.
- 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 & more. Not really interested in spoon feeding every feat explanation.
- Even his stub hands are useful than just having 2 hands.
So, your analogy has no value if you think both has different level skills.
Sukuna has better IQ and years of experience fighting other CQC combatants. Meanwhile, the Grasshopper curse was an idiot and a Grade 2 level curse, while Yuji at that time was a Grade 1 level, capable of taking on Special Grade curses. The Grasshopper curse only punched using its four arms, with no noteworthy skill in its use of hands, unlike Sukuna, who is proficient in utilizing his hands for both defense and offense simultaneously. He is also shown to use stub hands efficiently. Comparing Yuji beating up the Grasshopper curse, which had no skills, to Sukuna, who can fight efficiently based on situations, is just silly.
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Anyway not interested in continuing this yap session. Not really interested in this Grasshopper Curse IQ and Agito IQ matching God tiers of the verse when comes to Combat skills. Seems like waste of time.
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NGL I agree with this take of yours
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Raidriar vs Kusakabe (0-0-0)
The God King vs The Strongest Grade 1 Sorcerer Shibuya Incident Arc Kusakabe Location: Temple of Lantimor Starting Distance: 3 meters Standard Battle Assumptions otherwise Raidriar: 0 Kusakabe: 0 Inconclusive: 0
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Why you dont make a good match like Naobito vs KusakabeRaidriar vs Kusakabe (0-0-0)
The God King vs The Strongest Grade 1 Sorcerer Shibuya Incident Arc Kusakabe Location: Temple of Lantimor Starting Distance: 3 meters Standard Battle Assumptions otherwise Raidriar: 0 Kusakabe: 0 Inconclusive: 0vsbattles.com
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Probably not I'm not sure...
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Firstly, Gojo's brain damage nerf was more substantial than Sukuna's with the zone granted by black flash never being portrayed as a substantial increase to one's stats (only a 120% increase), suggested by the fact that Gojo's physical performance hadn't changed all that much (went from dragging Sukuna around by the collar of his shirt to dragging him around by his wrist). So this narrative of "a buffed Gojo versus a weakened Sukuna" is disingenuous.
Secondly, Sukuna did try and make it a 3v1, he even calls it a 3v1 and fights alongside them both, but Sukuna was being outplayed by Gojo and thought it best to just wait until an opening is created (i.e. Gojo losing his arm). So yes, that is a feat for Gojo to force Sukuna to recline himself in such a way, and there's never been any statement or implication that Sukuna would cross the gap between himself and Gojo with just 2 additional arms if he couldn't do so with 2 of the strongest summons in the verse which both have feats of being in the same tier as himself.
Agito's speed feats are unquestionably relative to Mahoraga, they both run alongside each other numerous times and attack in synchronicity, with Agito only being pierced by Gojo's black flash and otherwise surviving his punch to her head, the only area she lacks is attack potency given Gojo dodges or blocks everything she has (same with, in large part, Mahoraga and Sukuna).
No where did I say merely fighting more opponents makes it a good feat, you're being outright disingenuous now. A person can fight 100 people whilst another can fight only 1, that second character can still be more skilled and stronger than the former. This is because in group fights a big factor is the differential in strength, speed, skill, and how well the group can fight alongside one-another. Sukuna fought a group of 5 who were largely fighting individually, the only instance of several attacking at the same time was when Yuji and Kusakabe tried to rush at Sukuna and got knocked away by his slashes, whilst also possessing a MASSIVE stat advantage over them all and a superior CT - Gojo fought 3 opponents who were all relative in stats to him whilst also having his CT nullified. Do you not realise why the latter is a greater indication of a skill feat than the former?
Have I said this? No.
How does this suggest at all that Sukuna is better at H2H combat with 4 arms?
IF he can catch them, sure.
Gojo also has legs.
You can't prove any of these manoeuvres wouldn't just be dodged by Gojo with most of them just being generic shit like "Sukuna punched with 2 hands on the same spot instead of one" or "Sukuna blocked with 3 hands, not one".
Sukuna would just do this with 2 hands too, he's only using 1 stub and 1 hand here...
You don't seem to grasp what an analogy is
. Saying "Yuji can overcome a 2 arm advantage via possessing superior H2H skill, therefore Gojo could do the same to Sukuna" doesn't rely on Sukuna being equal to the grasshopper curse in skill at all. The grasshopper could be baby tier in skill and Sukuna a master of every single martial art in fiction, doesn't change the fact that the analogy applies because it's about the ability to be out-skilled.If I said "the different between 2 and 3 can be overcome by squaring 2, therefore the difference between 5 and 6 can be overcome by squaring 5" that would be true regardless of if you said "but 5 is greater than 2! 6 is greater than 3!!!!"
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AGITO GLAZER????
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Will never be him
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Agito statue blitzes one taps no diffWill never be him
