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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Passersby said:
way more than people think it is

just take a look at this

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i would have honestly unalived myself if had this kinda schedule, like **** no

mangakas deserve more respect, and better pay while we're at it
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SuperStar said:
Only 2 hours for sleep on Monday is crazy.
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Having a limited knowledge on Japan's culture, this is seemingly a common thing in their workforce. I've heard about office workers working in the office for days on end w/out a chance to sleep. I even heard about a guy, wasn't even 40 I believe, who just died in his sleep on a train ride from sheer exhaustion
 
JnSteHar002 said:
Having a limited knowledge on Japan's culture, this is seemingly a common thing in their workforce. I've heard about office workers working in the office for days on end w/out a chance to sleep. I even heard about a guy, wasn't even 40 I believe, who just died in his sleep on a train ride from sheer exhaustion
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yeah, that's the reason why the black company overworked office worker being overpowered and doing whatever he wants in another world with no restriction to his freedome is such a popular theme in japanese manga, they have an extreme cultural work ethic where an indicidual has to sacrifice his own well being for the sake of a better society, it's way too much for anyone to bear, i feel bad for them
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Do you think the calc could be faulty you mean?
Hmm
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I just think either that points towards the calc being too generous or our bullet calcs being too conservative. Like Megumi dodging rifle fire ending up being calced to be in the subsonic range but Mahito flicking human bullets somehow ends up being dramatically faster is crazy
 
Duedate8898 said:
I just think either that points towards the calc being too generous or our bullet calcs being too conservative. Like Megumi dodging rifle fire ending up being calced to be in the subsonic range but Mahito flicking human bullets somehow ends up being dramatically faster is crazy
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I don't remember seeing that calc of Megumi and the rifle so their might be more to it for the results given. Context is the key.
 
Passersby said:
way more than people think it is

just take a look at this

main-qimg-53ec1e395a4b59adb8391a5ac942bee1-lq.png


i would have honestly unalived myself if had this kinda schedule, like **** no

mangakas deserve more respect, and better pay while we're at it
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This is why i detest those who bash mangakas anyhow
They're not exempted from criticism but let it be constructive ones
Not "this art is dogshit bro", "a 5 year old draws better than this" etc
All on a manga you're most likely pirating
Same thing for animators
 
Testarossa002 said:
This is why i detest those who bash mangakas anyhow
They're not exempted from criticism but let it be constructive ones
Not "this art is dogshit bro", "a 5 year old draws better than this" etc
All on a manga you're most likely pirating
Same thing for animators
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honestly this is kinda why I hope gege just takes his 15 mill bag after he is done with JJK and just chills for like 5-6 years the dude (and every mangaka for that matter) kinda deserves it at this point.
 
JnSteHar002 said:
Thanks! Still looking through it; maybe it's the timeframe that gives such results when compared to Mahito's bullet feat
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Not really, from what I know these kinds of feats all boil down to moving distance A before the the bullet/projectile moves distance B, we get the time frame for the latter scenario and put distance A/acquired timeframe, standard S=D/T stuff

The calc really just has a wrong distance, yuji ain't dodging bullets from 1.7 cms away, that goes against every showing of speed in the verse really

Also I'm not seeing the bullet being that close in the panel really, the calc is wrong
 
Gojo was ALWAYS stronger. Hand to hand we know. CE control we know. Technique refinement via DE we know. Better sure hit DE. Better technique quite literally. Better DE skill and not so reliant on binding vows like Sukuna was when trying to match gojo in DE tricks. Sukuna admitting 3vs1. Two CT, one from a kid he's possessing and one that is his own, said kid happens to be a convenient tool for adapting to UV, as well as making gojo hold back in lethality if they wanna save megumi. Gojo got better physicals (hence the punch in his stomach making a small donut. Twice)

In the end how did Sukuna win? Through a one time binding vow that skipped any steps in launching off WS, likely was at full output (hypothetical 20F Output WS) or had a sure hit effect, but it was also possibly enhanced further by the BV to skip any CE spark signals or the like so that gojo can't detect it in anyway

Said BV nerfed his WS now. Now he gotta do multiple other steps to pull it off that is so laughably easy to dodge if you're not sofar apart from Sukuna.

Man even his fire arrow is ass if it needs BV to be strong, and a DE. That fire arrow lacked shit to do anything to gojo if it couldn't be used against gojo.
 
iirc, gojo did body sukuna in hand to hand combat

he is ****** against the guy now tho, bro got taller, bigger and has 4 arms, if miguel was a threat to gojo because of his reinforcement and muscular structure alone an incarnated sukuna is gonna body gojo in H2H combat 10 times outta 10 and it's not even close
 
Passersby said:
iirc, gojo did body sukuna in hand to hand combat

he is ****** against the guy now tho, bro got taller, bigger and has 4 arms, if miguel was a threat to gojo because of his reinforcement and muscular structure alone an incarnated sukuna is gonna body gojo in H2H combat 10 times outta 10 and it's not even close
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Miguel wasn't a threat. Miguel can just perform better in a short fight Lightning explains this in a post a while back. Gojo would end up performing better overall basically. And we see Kashimo and Miguel handle multiple arms decent enough, Gojo would be far better than them.

TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Gojo was ALWAYS stronger. Hand to hand we know. CE control we know. Technique refinement via DE we know. Better sure hit DE. Better technique quite literally. Better DE skill and not so reliant on binding vows like Sukuna was when trying to match gojo in DE tricks. Sukuna admitting 3vs1. Two CT, one from a kid he's possessing and one that is his own, said kid happens to be a convenient tool for adapting to UV, as well as making gojo hold back in lethality if they wanna save megumi. Gojo got better physicals (hence the punch in his stomach making a small donut. Twice)

In the end how did Sukuna win? Through a one time binding vow that skipped any steps in launching off WS, likely was at full output (hypothetical 20F Output WS) or had a sure hit effect, but it was also possibly enhanced further by the BV to skip any CE spark signals or the like so that gojo can't detect it in anyway

Said BV nerfed his WS now. Now he gotta do multiple other steps to pull it off that is so laughably easy to dodge if you're not sofar apart from Sukuna.

Man even his fire arrow is ass if it needs BV to be strong, and a DE. That fire arrow lacked shit to do anything to gojo if it couldn't be used against gojo.
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Might be the first time I agree with you.
 
Passersby said:
iirc, gojo did body sukuna in hand to hand combat

he is ****** against the guy now tho, bro got taller, bigger and has 4 arms, if miguel was a threat to gojo because of his reinforcement and muscular structure alone an incarnated sukuna is gonna body gojo in H2H combat 10 times outta 10 and it's not even close
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Being taller means jack shit lol.
Gojo low-key got better muscles than Miguel does. So does Todo. You can't confuse what Miguel innately has to what Sukuna has
They're not even comparable. Not the same thing. Infact nothing even says Sukuna got better stats now to a whole different tier or something. Not even any increase is mentioned for that.

Infact the Miguel and gojo convo isn't about physical stats but rather physique and its correlation to skill being the point that gojo made.
Arkenis said:
Might be the first time I agree with you.
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Imaginary technique: Gaslighting - "You always agreed with me on everything"
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Being taller means jack shit lol.
Gojo low-key got better muscles than Miguel does. So does Todo. You can't confuse what Miguel innately has to what Sukuna has
They're not even comparable. Not the same thing. Infact nothing even says Sukuna got better stats now to a whole different tier or something. Not even any increase is mentioned for that.

Infact the Miguel and gojo convo isn't about physical stats but rather physique and its correlation to skill being the point that gojo made.
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Arkenis said:
Miguel wasn't a threat. Miguel can just perform better in a short fight Lightning explains this in a post a while back. Gojo would end up performing better overall basically. And we see Kashimo and Miguel handle multiple arms decent enough, Gojo would be far better than them.
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Assuming everything's proportional, then an increase in height would mean longer limbs, giving more reach/range of striking, and more weight, thus increasing the force of their attacks as well. Though, that would only work if the speed can stay the same or at least close enough.

And if Gojo and Miguel can get into a fight where both parties have a reasonable chance of winning, I'd say they'd be comparable in that specific category/scenario. Like, I don't see the issue w/Miguel and others being equal, if not, above Gojo in one area or skill, especially when it's happened before.
 
The problem with Miguel being equal to no CT Gojo without him himself using a CT to buff himself, is that Miguel:
-Didn't statue blitz Sukuna despite the sheer disparity between them
-Didn't one shot Sukuna either.
That same Sukuna is 9F-10F when it comes to CE reserves, with his own CE control, specifically CE output is also on the low due to the nerfs from previous fights and Yuji's punches.

But this can be solved by taking in another interpretation: Miguel is simply just equal to Gojo in skills, and the physique had a correlation to it like Lightning explained. Additionally. Even if gojo talks about Ce reinforcement contest only in skill, he's known to be always holding back on practically everybody he's fought, bar Sukuna and Toji, when it comes to going truly all out. Thus the spar gojo mentions could simply be a normal one where there is no reason to go all out in physicals and is just a skill contest. The fact that nothing mentions anything about being truly serious or going all out without holding back of any sort in this hypothetical spar between them that gojo conjured up, does help this interpretation.

Additionally, it is implied that Vol 0 Gojo when fighting Miguel, was doing this with just only one eye showing (it is implied that the usage of blindfold or glasses do weaken his six eyes which would in return nerf him too), and it was also kind of implied in context that he wasn't really going all out when hitting him, either, despite fighting him. (Evident by the fact that he didn't use any of his CT really nor was it implied)
 
JnSteHar002 said:
Assuming everything's proportional, then an increase in height would mean longer limbs, giving more reach/range of striking, and more weight, thus increasing the force of their attacks as well. Though, that would only work if the speed can stay the same or at least close enough.

And if Gojo and Miguel can get into a fight where both parties have a reasonable chance of winning, I'd say they'd be comparable in that specific category/scenario. Like, I don't see the issue w/Miguel and others being equal, if not, above Gojo in one area or skill, especially when it's happened before.
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All that can be true, Kashimo and Miguel still show us they can handle the height and arm increase with competence. Miguel counters all of Sukuna's strikes, Kashimo can block Sukuna's extra arms. And Gojo and Miguel aren't comparable, Miguel fights in a way that makes him better in a short fight in tandem with his ct being able to debuff his opponent and buff him, while Gojo's way of fighting is better in a fight overall.

It's like competing for two different things, Miguel can't last long with his way of fighting, its less about winning and more stylish than simply being better while Gojo's is more about winning getting in real strikes.

And besides this point, this arm and height thing is DUMB. Did ya not see the height difference with Mahoraga and Agito? Did we forget Gojo fought a 3v1 and kept up in it?
 
JnSteHar002 said:
Assuming everything's proportional, then an increase in height would mean longer limbs, giving more reach/range of striking, and more weight, thus increasing the force of their attacks as well. Though, that would only work if the speed can stay the same or at least close enough.

And if Gojo and Miguel can get into a fight where both parties have a reasonable chance of winning, I'd say they'd be comparable in that specific category/scenario. Like, I don't see the issue w/Miguel and others being equal, if not, above Gojo in one area or skill, especially when it's happened before.
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You are wasting your time bruh 😐 😞. Let it go Arkenis gonna make another worst take.
See Arkenis brought up 2½ arms Sukuna fighting Miguel and Kashimo blocking an attack from non serious Sukuna & getting cooked later by 4 arms as an argument.
 
I feel like in these Sukuna v Gojo debates we're always engaging with so many unknowns.

"Sukuna has a superior physicality now, so he's gained a stat amp" - Greater height and muscle mass isn't always going to be a "stat amp" in the context of fighting; there's a reason why boxers, MMA fighters, etc., aren't the tallest people or the buffest people in the world - and this is especially true in the context of JJK with fairly slim builds like Yuji's being superior to Todo's build. With Sukuna we also know that he already augments his vessel, Megumi tells us that 3F Sukuna not only had better jujutsu (i.e. reinforcement, since Sukuna hadn't shown anything else) but even his physicality was somehow on a whole different level from Yuji's, which would explain why Sukuna didn't have a drop in power when body swapping between Yuji and Megumi. So given the narrator never implied any stat amp from the new form when explaining what makes it powerful, should we assume there's some huge stat difference here?

"Sukuna has 2 additional arms, he's better at H2H combat" - We've already seen that additional arms doesn't improve your skill in H2H combat, i.e. the grasshopper curse spirit and Yuji outright told us that Yuji won out of superior combat skill, and Gojo specifically was outperforming Sukuna in a 1v3 situation. A 1v3 should be infinitely harder to fight against than just a 1v1 where the person has 2 additional arms. Once again, too, when the narrator was listing off Sukuna's new advantages it never claims he now has better H2H combat skill.
 
I don't care much about who has better physicals but some of the arguments are funny & Gojo Glazers love to read Burrito Manga with half sleep.

Dishonesty at finest chapter 234 Sukuna lands a single kick on 2BF amped Gojo. Chapter 233 Sukuna tries to tag Gojo who was amped by 1BF once in 3 vs 1 tag. But Gojo glazes starts spitting nonsense like It's 3 vs 1 all time. Yeah sure whoever supports Gojo are not biased Gojo was fighting 3 vs 1 despite Mahoraga is the only key which could bypass infinity and others needed to utilise the correct timing. Brother we are reading same Burrito Manga fr. Acting like Sukuna wasn't tired and getting weaker while time goes on while Gojo was in Zone.

Sukuna and Grasshopper are at same level skills fr. Most logical arguments anyone can make.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I don't care much about who has better physicals but some of the arguments are funny & Gojo Glazers love to read Burrito Manga with half sleep.

Dishonesty at finest chapter 234 Sukuna lands a single kick on 2BF amped Gojo. Chapter 233 Sukuna tries to tag Gojo who was amped by 1BF once in 3 vs 1 tag. But Gojo glazes starts spitting nonsense like It's 3 vs 1 all time. Yeah sure whoever supports Gojo are not biased Gojo was fighting 3 vs 1 despite Mahoraga is the only key which could bypass infinity and others needed to utilise the correct timing. Brother we are reading same Burrito Manga fr. Acting like Sukuna wasn't tired and getting weaker while time goes on while Gojo was in Zone.
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The reason why Sukuna only landed 1 kick is because he was afraid if he went outside of Mahoraga's shadowed he'd just get outright destroyed.
EldemadeDityjon said:
Sukuna and Grasshopper are at same level skills fr. Most logical arguments anyone can make.
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Did anyone say this? Please show were anyone is saying this.
 
Rosa said:
Greater height and muscle mass isn't always going to be a "stat amp" in the context of fighting
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Gojo when stereotyping black people as being athletic and better built than the average Japanese person says that that quality gives Miguel an edge over Japanese sorcerers when CE Reinforcement is applied on top.
Rosa said:
this is especially true in the context of JJK with fairly slim builds like Yuji's being superior to Todo's build
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Yuji isn't really a good example. The major point about Yuji's strength at the beginning of the series is that it's unnatural to regular people because it's superhuman and it's also unnatural to most sorcerers because Yuji wasn't using any CE to reinforce his body nor did he have a Heavenly Restriction preventing him from having CE like Toji. Yuji being stronger than Todo when CE isn't involved despite Yuji's smaller build is also something that Todo notes so this kind of thing isn't the norm which makes Yuji an exception, not the rule.
Rosa said:
With Sukuna we also know that he already augments his vessel, Megumi tells us that 3F Sukuna not only had better jujutsu (i.e. reinforcement, since Sukuna hadn't shown anything else) but even his physicality was somehow on a whole different level from Yuji's, which would explain why Sukuna didn't have a drop in power when body swapping between Yuji and Megumi.
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Sukuna was likely similar to Yuji in that he had unnatural strength even without using CE to reinforce himself which is then transferred over to his vessel's body when he's in control since the shear difference in Yuji and Megumi's physicals (without CE) would have the narrator or anyone else note some difference in power in which case Sukuna's build would be irrelevant
 
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