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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Don't really care about other arguments but this Choso downplay needs to stop. Naoya ain't him.
Naoya didn't take him seriously enough, he literally comments that he wouldn't make the same mistake he did against Choso (also arguable that Choso got stronger from Shibuya but I digress)
I'll be real with you on this. Choso has been fighting all night, and even Kenjaku points out that he should be tired by now.

Also, Choso would have still won even if he had used his full speed—he could have used the same blood pool to prevent Naoya from getting close to him. At best Naoya might have had chances on the worn out Choso. But full healthy Choso would mop floors with Naoya..
And would lose to Perfect Preparation Naoya quite handily
This is not really a good argument on this case. "With Preparation". So you are conceding without preparation Naoya is a fraud? First of all Naoya isn't even preparation merchant.
 
This is not really a good argument on this case. "With Preparation". So you are conceding without preparation Naoya is a fraud? First of all Naoya isn't even preparation merchant.
Perfect Preparation isn't talking about getting prep time, it's talking about the arc "Perfect Preparation" aka the arc where they all prep for the culling games and recruiting people/killing the Zenin clan in Maki's case

Do I think Naoya wins with knowledge, not really since Choso generally has more tricks but yeah
 
Don't really care about other arguments but this Choso downplay needs to stop. Naoya ain't him.

I'll be real with you on this. Choso has been fighting all night, and even Kenjaku points out that he should be tired by now.
Where?
Also, Choso would have still won even if he had used his full speed—he could have used the same blood pool to prevent Naoya from getting close to him.
A blood pool he only had time to form because Naoya stopped attacking. Choso explicitly said that he couldn't control the blood outside his body with Naoya pressing him.
At best Naoya might have had chances on the worn out Choso. But full healthy Choso would mop floors with Naoya..
Choso ain't doing shit against this assault with no let ups 💀
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This is not really a good argument on this case. "With Preparation". So you are conceding without preparation Naoya is a fraud? First of all Naoya isn't even preparation merchant.
What Abaddon said
 
Oh btw, I should probably clarify that the Base/FRSS Chosos on the TL are Shibuya version, IE Choso would probably be around CG Yuji
 
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A blood pool he only had time to form because Naoya stopped attacking. Choso explicitly said that he couldn't control the blood outside his body with Naoya pressing him.
Then does this 😐👇 Bruh you are taking statement which only support your arguments. You are not looking at Choso's feats during the fight
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Naoya's Top speed ain't piercing through this. When Choso is in a better condition.
Choso ain't doing shit against this assault with no let ups 💀
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What I said above.
 
Pretty sure IE is 8 days after Shibuya. With seemingly a one night transition, it was November 9
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Then does this 😐👇 Bruh you are taking statement which only support your arguments. You are not looking at Choso's feats during the fight
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As I said
A blood pool he only had time to form because Naoya stopped attacking. Choso explicitly said that he couldn't control the blood outside his body with Naoya pressing him.
They literally had a whole ass conversation for Choso to recover and concentrate. Obviously Choso wasn't saying he can't control blood outside his body in general, just in the situation where Naoya was knocking him all over the place
Naoya's Top speed ain't piercing through this. When Choso is in a better condition.

What I said above.
Doesn't need to pierce through that when he's just gonna kill him before he uses it
 
I could be wrong, pretty sure Shibuya Incident happens at night and we see here it seems day time. This is 138.
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Pretty sure IE is 8 days after Shibuya. With seemingly a one night transition, it was November 9
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I will reply to you both later after checking the timelines again. Either way, Choso and Yuji were exterminating the CS from the Shibuya incident (I guess Knowing Yuji mentality), and Choso states that Yuji hasn't been fully healed, so I don't see Choso being fully healed either. Therefore, I don't think it changes much regarding Choso not being in perfect condition.
As I said

They literally had a whole ass conversation for Choso to recover and concentrate. Obviously Choso wasn't saying he can't control blood outside his body in general, just in the situation where Naoya was knocking him all over the place
Then, Naoya makes it clear that he needed a cursed tool to break through Choso's durability, and Naoya himself stated that Choso is highly durable. Knocking him all-around ≠ winning. Choso was adapting to Naoya's speed. Even if he didn't hold a conversation, he had no way of beating Choso without reaching his top speed, which requires stacking his Cursed Technique—creating an opening.
Doesn't need to pierce through that when he's just gonna kill him before he uses it
He couldn't kill him from the start, which is why he needed to rely on cheap tricks like a cursed tool. Not to mention, Naoya's win condition here is his top speed, which creates an opening for his opponents. Just like in your scans, where Maki was getting beaten down all over the place—when Naoya attempted to use his top speed, she was able to counter him. He needs to build up his speed using his Cursed Technique. So, these arguments don’t provide any real win conditions here. Choso would have plenty of time to spread his blood and block him.
 
I will reply to you both later after checking the timelines again. Either way, Choso and Yuji were exterminating the CS from the Shibuya incident (I guess Knowing Yuji mentality), and Choso states that Yuji hasn't been fully healed, so I don't see Choso being fully healed either. Therefore, I don't think it changes much regarding Choso not being in perfect condition.
I think the implication is that Yuji is the one who hasn't recovered though. Choso generally didn't go through much compared to Yuji to say he would recover slow as Yuji.
 
I will reply to you both later after checking the timelines again. Either way, Choso and Yuji were exterminating the CS from the Shibuya incident (I guess Knowing Yuji mentality), and Choso states that Yuji hasn't been fully healed, so I don't see Choso being fully healed either. Therefore, I don't think it changes much regarding Choso not being in perfect condition.
Yuji was damaged much more severely than Choso and Choso's physiology isn't human
Then, Naoya makes it clear that he needed a cursed tool to break through Choso's durability, and Naoya himself stated that Choso is highly durable. Knocking him all-around ≠ winning.
1. He can just use a cursed tool then
2. Eventually, knocking him around and continuously dealing minor-moderate damage would put him down
Choso was adapting to Naoya's speed.
Only barely, Naoya still tagged Choso that one time Choso "reacted"
Even if he didn't hold a conversation, he had no way of beating Choso without reaching his top speed, which requires stacking his Cursed Technique—creating an opening.
No? It's literally the opposite. He can just keep building up speed while he attacks Choso.
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He couldn't kill him from the start, which is why he needed to rely on cheap tricks like a cursed tool.
"Cheap tricks." I guess Maki and Toji are frauds cause they battle with cursed tools.
Not to mention, Naoya's win condition here is his top speed, which creates an opening for his opponents. Just like in your scans, where Maki was getting beaten down all over the place—when Naoya attempted to use his top speed, she was able to counter him. He needs to build up his speed using his Cursed Technique. So, these arguments don’t provide any real win conditions here. Choso would have plenty of time to spread his blood and block him.
That's cause he chose to stop attacking to get to top speed quicker by running in circles, which he wouldn't against Choso knowing that it'd give him the opportunity to spread blood.
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What are the odds of that first kick from Naoya getting calc'd at something impressive?
Pretty low. I definitely don't see it being an upgrade.
 
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I think the implication is that Yuji is the one who hasn't recovered though. Choso generally didn't go through much compared to Yuji to say he would recover slow as Yuji.
Yuji was damaged much more severely than Choso and Choso's physiology isn't human
Except for Yuji having another 10 fingers’ worth of Sukuna's Cursed Energy flowing through him and Kenjaku removing the seals, we have Choso, who has no external source of Cursed Energy and is not even a pure Cursed Spirit. The blood he used in Shibuya while assisting Yuji came from his own Cursed Energy.

We have seen Cursed Spirits like Jogo require a large amount of time to recover their Cursed Energy. Additionally, IIRC Mahito also stated that he needed a week to regain the energy he lost during his fight with Mechamaru.

I think it's fair to say that Choso wasn't in his perfect state, even if you argue that he was in a better condition than when he fought Uraume and Kenjaku in Shibuya. His usage of Cursed Energy and the time spent assisting Yuji should have weakened him nonetheless.
1. He can just use a cursed tool then
He carries a small knife at best and it would just help Choso like it did. So not a better argument
2. Eventually, knocking him around and continuously dealing minor-moderate damage would put him down.
Eventually getting tired and getting overwhelmed, you mean. Choso has demonstrated far greater stamina feats, and not to mention, if Naoya keeps attacking Choso, Choso's blood will weigh him down just like it did in their fight. Naoya's only real advantage is his top speed.

So, this stalling technique isn't going to give Naoya a proper win condition. Also, Choso adapted to this technique, which is why Naoya resorted to using his Cursed Tool.
.Only barely, Naoya still tagged Choso that one time Choso "reacted"
This shit ain't barely reacting and if he can move even faster without stacking up his CT he would have done that than using Cursed tool.
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No? It's literally the opposite. He can just keep building up speed while he attacks Choso.
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Read the scan again. He needs to stack his CT to reach the max speed it's nowhere stated or implied he can reach the maximum speed without stack.
"Cheap tricks." I guess Maki and Toji are frauds cause they battle with cursed tools.
Toji isn’t a fraud, but I never said Naoya couldn’t use a Cursed Tool. The whole point is that his normal attacks lack the power to pierce through Choso’s durability.

There are only two things that have enough power to pierce through Choso. One is his Cursed Tool, but it doesn’t do significant damage—Naoya himself admits that the injury can be stopped easily with Blood Manipulation. The second is his top speed.

I was specifically talking about Naoya’s own win condition. His win condition against Choso comes from his top speed, which even he acknowledges by saying, "I won’t make the same mistake again," implying that nothing else in his arsenal provides a viable wincons.
That's cause he chose to stop attacking to get to top speed quicker by running in circles, which he wouldn't against Choso knowing that it'd give him the opportunity to spread blood.
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I don’t see how he reaches his top speed without properly stacking it.

If he doesn’t stop attacking Choso and focus on stacking his speed, he won’t reach his peak velocity—the only thing that gives him enough piercing power to kill Choso.

Even Mach 3 Naoya had to stop attacking to build up his speed before blitzing Maki, despite knowing she could counter his attack if prepared.

So, your argument that Naoya can reach his top speed without stopping his attacks doesn’t hold any credibility.
 
We have seen Cursed Spirits like Jogo require a large amount of time to recover their Cursed Energy. Additionally, IIRC Mahito also stated that he needed a week to regain the energy he lost during his fight with Mechamaru.
Yeah same with Yuji, Jogo and Mahito went through way more shit to explain why they needed so long. Also Mahito needing a week is what Choso got as well.

I think it's fair to say that Choso wasn't in his perfect state, even if you argue that he was in a better condition than when he fought Uraume and Kenjaku in Shibuya. His usage of Cursed Energy and the time spent assisting Yuji should have weakened him nonetheless.
Nothing points to it though, he isn't stated to have not recovered like Yuji, he shows no weakness during the Naoya fight, he had a week to recover from the fight he had with Yuji. Doubt that considering they were clearing out low level curses requiring one hits like we saw.
 
Yeah same with Yuji, Jogo and Mahito went through way more shit to explain why they needed so long.
Except for the fact that Jogo took a break and Mahito likely had one too while preparing for the Shibuya incident, unlike Choso, who was actively helping Yuji, eliminating cursed spirits, and exhausting his cursed energy.
Also Mahito needing a week is what Choso got as well.
Nothing points to it though, he isn't stated to have not recovered like Yuji, he shows no weakness during the Naoya fight,
he had a week to recover from the fight he had with Yuji.
A week to recover?

Yet, the following events show that he wasn't using that time for recovery. Knowing Yuji's mentality, he isn’t someone who would sit back while thousands of cursed spirits are rampaging. Likewise, Choso isn’t the type to wait for his cursed energy to recover while his brother is fighting non-stop.

The fact that Yuji hasn’t recovered already suggests that he didn’t get proper rest. This also indicates that Choso didn’t get any rest either, given his character and his determination to help his brother in any way possible.

Also everything doesn't need to be stated straightforward when Manga has different ways of showcasing it.
Doubt that considering they were clearing out low level curses requiring one hits like we saw.
Why do low or high levels even matter? You're acting like using CT doesn't exhaust one's CE. Gojo was able to activate it for two days but was still exhausted from keeping his CT active. Fatigue did catch up to him despite only fighting some thugs.

The series has already shown that even the strongest modern day sorcerers can get exhausted from continuously using their Cursed Techniques and cursed energy for days, despite only fighting low level sorcerers who are insignificant compared to the sheer number of cursed spirits Kenjaku has produced.
 
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