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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Fire Arrow (Ultimate technique) > Cleave > Dismantle 🐸
People are just coping if they think Fire Arrow scales to physicals at this point.
Purple > Fire Arrow > Red > Cleave > Dismantle > Blue > Physicals < Purple < Fire Arrow < Red < Cleave < Dismantle < Blue

Physicals just end up scaling back idk what to tell you. I mean they can just punch really hard.
 
Purple > Fire Arrow > Red > Cleave > Dismantle > Blue > Physicals < Purple < Fire Arrow < Red < Cleave < Dismantle < Blue

Physicals just end up scaling back idk what to tell you. I mean they can just punch really hard.
I mean they can survive the attacks but per vs wiki standard we just don't scale them unless damage is very less. But in Sukuna's case I believe he has either high heat resistance or just he is not affected by flames because of his Domain condition or CE.
 
You're kinda confusing. You brought up Gojo scaling to Purple, but the scaling goes like this Purple > Red > Gojo and Red goes to Low 7-B. Gojo is only High 7-C so they aren't in the same tier. The reduced damage is why Gojo appears to scale but he realistically doesn't and would've gotten destroyed by Red or Purple like Sukuna did if it weren't his own ce.
I blame Elde for that, so I'll break down the claim:

  • I argued: Purple was potent enough to cause significant damage to Gojo even from a distance despite Gojo having resistances to it, Sukuna can stand in the centre of furnace and have no injuries, therefore Gojo's HP > Furnace compared to how much greater it is to the users physicals.
  • Elde decides to make a jab at me, summarising my position as "lol they think Sukuna = Furnace in physicals"
  • I respond clarifying that I think Sukuna "scales" in the SAME SENSE as we'd say Gojo may scale to purple or red, i.e. that there's the ability to survive it, which is factually true.
  • You argued from the assumption I was using the word "scales" to mean Sukuna = Furnace, so we were both talking past each other whilst in large part probably in agreement on the gap between the AP of these two attacks.
 
  • I argued: Purple was potent enough to cause significant damage to Gojo even from a distance despite Gojo having resistances to it, Sukuna can stand in the centre of furnace and have no injuries, therefore Gojo's HP > Furnace compared to how much greater it is to the users physicals.
  • I respond clarifying that I think Sukuna "scales" in the SAME SENSE as we'd say Gojo may scale to purple or red, i.e. that there's the ability to survive it, which is factually true.
The thing is, Purple and Fire Arrow are both "explosions", Fire Arrow literally. And by the looks of it Sukuna was incredibly far away from it while Gojo wasn't from Purple. So we'd have to calc his durability how we do with explosion tanking. Therefore the durability of him tanking it wouldn't be in the same tier and even more he took less damage from it. And Purple didn't cause significant damage to Gojo.

For reference the one in Shibuya got mcb for tanking.
 
Just did a quick estimate using my calc for the 259 fire arrow and 5 m as the distance which is a massive lowball in terms of the distance between Sukuna and Yuji considering what we saw in 258 since I didn't want to pixel scale it and the results came out to 8-A, so yeah he ain't getting anything high from this.
 
Everyone ready for a three chapter fight with Todo and Yuji hitting black flashes but Todo dies at the end, Nobara and Maki coming in to attack the soul and finally winning, only for it to be too late with the merger happening, and Nobara dies. It's then revealed Yuta died, Miwa died, Kusakabe died, and now its just Maki and Yuji only for Maki to die and Yuji hits another of set black flashes only to wake up realizing he was hospitalized for schizophrenic outbursts about curses and his four armed ancestor Ryomen Sukuna terrorizing Japan? Gojo then walks in and tells him "its okay man, I didn't die, you don't have to fight anymore" or is it just me?
 
Everyone ready for a three chapter fight with Todo and Yuji hitting black flashes but Todo dies at the end, Nobara and Maki coming in to attack the soul and finally winning, only for it to be too late with the merger happening, and Nobara dies. It's then revealed Yuta died, Miwa died, Kusakabe died, and now its just Maki and Yuji only for Maki to die and Yuji hits another of set black flashes only to wake up realizing he was hospitalized for schizophrenic outbursts about curses and his four armed ancestor Ryomen Sukuna terrorizing Japan? Gojo then walks in and tells him "its okay man, I didn't die, you don't have to fight anymore" or is it just me?
Gege would write all of that, except the part where he wakes up. Then the last panel is Sukuna teabagging everyone
 
Because it’s his ultimate attack that needs a lot of preparation to be even released?
Uh I gotta stop you there man. (it'll be long) It isn't his ultimate attack. That's a false translation. Even Lightning did the same mistake as tcb in calling it ultimate . It is simply just final secret technique.
極ノ番- (Goku No Ban) extreme/maximum/utmost technique

最終奥義- means final secret technique. It's legit an advanced technique a practitioner knows, that is often kept secret and/or reserved for critical moments. Like we're kinda told even in that chapter too or before. If it was his maximum CT then it wouldn't need so many conditions and restrictions and be so ass without these extra help.

極ノ番 is reaching the maximum or peak of an ability, it surpasses the previous to reach a certain lebel of proficiency, while 最終奥義 emphasizes the finality and secrecy of the technique. It suggests that it's the last resort or the most advanced move in a practitioner's arsenal, often reserved for critical situations.






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Tldr: don't call fire arrow ultimate technique.


Infact we can even use a obvious parallel here (if you're still not convinced in the fact that fire arrow isn't a ultimate technique) that is blatantly showcased in the narrative: Gojo and Sukuna are similar, very similar. One represents good and the other bad. One has humanity whilst the strongest and the other does not have his humanity whilst strongest. Both have this narrative surrounding them with this "Absolute loneliness from being the strongest, and love", showcasing their parallel. They're kinda like Yin and Yang in a regard.


Now the point of why I brought this up, is because both of these two have three moves, with their final move (the third) always being related to their previous two in order to pull off the third.
With their third move also never being referred to as a maximum technique throughout the entire Manga and fanbook. (Both Hollow Purple and Fire arrow never get called as such in the fanbook)

Hence why, when Kenjaku explains maximum CT, the flashback scene never shows HP and Fire arrow despite their very famous usage if it and are both events before Kenjaku's explanation of Goku No Ban (Maximum technique), and instead the flashback showed Eso's maximum technique and Jogo's maximum technique. (Beginning of chapter 134)
 
極ノ番- (Goku No Ban) extreme/maximum/utmost technique

最終奥義- means final secret technique. It's legit an advanced technique a practitioner knows, that is often kept secret and/or reserved for critical moments. Like we're kinda told even in that chapter too or before. If it was his maximum CT then it wouldn't need so many conditions and restrictions and be so ass without these extra help.

極ノ番 is reaching the maximum or peak of an ability, it surpasses the previous to reach a certain lebel of proficiency, while 最終奥義 emphasizes the finality and secrecy of the technique. It suggests that it's the last resort or the most advanced move in a practitioner's arsenal, often reserved for critical situations.
This still reads as Fire Arrow > Sukuna.
 
Seems like Gege doesn't want them scaling to their ultimate attacks?
Chill it ain't his ultimate attack. 🥸


Gojo by his hollow purple
Amped hollow purple even by more than normal.


If Sukuna scales to the Fire Arrow why he just didnt killed Itadori with a punch instead of risking himself by using a incomplete Domain
Because he was already weakened long ago? Additional that domain both Amps - himself and his abilities - and debuffs the enemies CT or the like when inside it, and he uses a binding vow to further strengthen the fire arrow more than normal, whilst using the domain's range to strengthen it, too. There's like three buffs there. Idk how this is an argument.



This is ignoring the context of the differing output between them. Yes gojo can tank it better in normal circumstances because it is his own CE. But the whole reason why Sukuna ended up in that situation is because gojo had already far surpassed Sukuna in output. One has a proper output for RCT, the other does not. Vastly huge difference in tier.
Same thing could apply to Sukuna and the fire arrow.
And literally nothing happened to him within it (Sukuna). Even Choso's blood armor tanked that shit 😭 maybe it ain't as impressive as yall are trying to make it seem like.
The reduced damage is why Gojo appears to scale but he realistically doesn't and would've gotten destroyed by Red or Purple like Sukuna did if it weren't his own ce.
Huh, no if he were to get hit by his own red without any CE resistance then he's tanking it far better than Sukuna did in regards to red. Only reason Sukuna getting that much screwed over from a red is because of their stats difference. Same goes for HP 100%

I think he means that it's practically his ultimate technique
It isn't. Neither is Purple. Just a more advanced technique. The ones that are actually ultimate in verse is Goku No Ban.


This still reads as Fire Arrow > Sukuna.
Then you glossed over the very idea alongside other two or more on how fire arrow isn't a ultimate technique and just a more advanced technique or his final technique (Like for Gojo in regards to purple). That's the whole point. You'd see that I didn't mention anything >> Sukuna related there. Quite clear.
 
The thing is, Purple and Fire Arrow are both "explosions", Fire Arrow literally. And by the looks of it Sukuna was incredibly far away from it while Gojo wasn't from Purple. So we'd have to calc his durability how we do with explosion tanking. Therefore the durability of him tanking it wouldn't be in the same tier and even more he took less damage from it. And Purple didn't cause significant damage to Gojo.

For reference the one in Shibuya got mcb for tanking.
Sukuna's literally at the centre of the flames???
 
Uh I gotta stop you there man. (it'll be long) It isn't his ultimate attack. That's a false translation. Even Lightning did the same mistake as tcb in calling it ultimate . It is simply just final secret technique.
極ノ番- (Goku No Ban) extreme/maximum/utmost technique

最終奥義- means final secret technique. It's legit an advanced technique a practitioner knows, that is often kept secret and/or reserved for critical moments. Like we're kinda told even in that chapter too or before. If it was his maximum CT then it wouldn't need so many conditions and restrictions and be so ass without these extra help.

極ノ番 is reaching the maximum or peak of an ability, it surpasses the previous to reach a certain lebel of proficiency, while 最終奥義 emphasizes the finality and secrecy of the technique. It suggests that it's the last resort or the most advanced move in a practitioner's arsenal, often reserved for critical situations.






IMG_4776.jpg



Tldr: don't call fire arrow ultimate technique.


Infact we can even use a obvious parallel here (if you're still not convinced in the fact that fire arrow isn't a ultimate technique) that is blatantly showcased in the narrative: Gojo and Sukuna are similar, very similar. One represents good and the other bad. One has humanity whilst the strongest and the other does not have his humanity whilst strongest. Both have this narrative surrounding them with this "Absolute loneliness from being the strongest, and love", showcasing their parallel. They're kinda like Yin and Yang in a regard.


Now the point of why I brought this up, is because both of these two have three moves, with their final move (the third) always being related to their previous two in order to pull off the third.
With their third move also never being referred to as a maximum technique throughout the entire Manga and fanbook. (Both Hollow Purple and Fire arrow never get called as such in the fanbook)

Hence why, when Kenjaku explains maximum CT, the flashback scene never shows HP and Fire arrow despite their very famous usage if it and are both events before Kenjaku's explanation of Goku No Ban (Maximum technique), and instead the flashback showed Eso's maximum technique and Jogo's maximum technique. (Beginning of chapter 134)
I won’t read allat sorry 😅
 
Meet the average Jujutsu Kaisen fan on VSBW:

“Sukuna scales to the Fire Arrow”

“Hakari dodged lightning”

“The heavy hitters are 2 Fingers Sukuna level”
  • 0 CRTs created
  • 0 revisions approved
  • 7 useless walls of text
Give me liberty

Give me fire

Give me random debates on the general thread

Or I retire

Prove what you say on a CRT: ❌

Debating on the general thread for nothing: ✅

Always “I think” and “I believe” but never “here’s the link for my CRT”
 
Meet the average Jujutsu Kaisen fan on VSBW:

“Sukuna scales to the Fire Arrow”

“Hakari dodged lightning”

“The heavy hitters are 2 Fingers Sukuna level”
  • 0 CRTs created
  • 0 revisions approved
  • 7 useless walls of text
Give me liberty

Give me fire

Give me random debates on the general thread

Or I retire

Prove what you say on a CRT: ❌

Debating on the general thread for nothing: ✅

Always “I think” and “I believe” but never “here’s the link for my CRT”
Here is the link for my CRT
 
Meet the average Jujutsu Kaisen fan on VSBW:

“Sukuna scales to the Fire Arrow”

“Hakari dodged lightning”

“The heavy hitters are 2 Fingers Sukuna level”
  • 0 CRTs created
  • 0 revisions approved
  • 7 useless walls of text
Give me liberty

Give me fire

Give me random debates on the general thread

Or I retire

Prove what you say on a CRT: ❌

Debating on the general thread for nothing: ✅

Always “I think” and “I believe” but never “here’s the link for my CRT”
I joined this site like a few months ago, although tbh the current perspective on JJK scaling seems very stagnant on this forum with there being very little leeway on certain topics so that's the main reason why I'm not very eager to put the effort into a crt as opposed to just arguing with people on here for fun. Even if I propose the best argument possible for MHS JJK it'll require probably days of my time arguing with people on the same topic, potentially not even going anywhere productive, and so I'd rather just have my daily 1 hour debate with someone on here about random fun topics than do all that.
 
although tbh the current perspective on JJK scaling seems very stagnant on this forum with there being very little leeway on certain topics so that's the main reason why I'm not very eager to put the effort into a crt as opposed to just arguing with people on here for fun. Even if I propose the best argument possible for MHS JJK it'll require probably days of my time arguing with people on the same topic, potentially not even going anywhere productive, and so I'd rather just have my daily 1 hour debate with someone on here about random fun topics than do all that.
My Black Flash rule was removed, the verse has mhs calcs, a crt is being worked on by Milly. Nothing is stagnant, the arguments proposed in the past just weren't concrete. What else besides speed do you think is stagnant?
 
I won’t read allat sorry 😅
ok


Not only that, the discussion we are having is simple. We don’t need translations for anything here. It’s kinda obvious that it’s his ultimate technique,
Stop making blatantly wrong claims please. And no it isn't his ultimate technique. Straight up headcanon when everything else in the source disagrees with you.


Gun's just practicing for when he makes a crt
u need to stop letting "VSBW CRT" live rent free in you bro.


M3x concedes to @TheGunsFinalWrath yet again, another easy W for wrath
ur goofy.

Meet the average Jujutsu Kaisen fan on VSBW:

“Sukuna scales to the Fire Arrow”

“Hakari dodged lightning”

“The heavy hitters are 2 Fingers Sukuna level”
two topics which u struggle in proving yourself right 😂
 





Yuta fans in shambles. First off guarding a non on guard Kenny that was relaxed and unaware from behind, that same Kenny is also weakened and he again gets off guarded by Todo's CT, allowing Yuta to land a free strike

Dis is crazy.
 
I mean he can keep yapping about whatever he wants but unless he makes a CRT we will hardly give a ****. Not like anyone believes the heavy hitters are 2 fingers Sukuna level anyway.
 
Nah they keep the series updated. No reason to talk about opinions if you aren't getting it accepted by others tbh.
No reason for discussion threads and the like to exist in VSBW but here we are. like I said crt isn't the only thing that exists in this site. you gotta chill with that tunnel vision bro.
 
like I said crt isn't the only thing that exists in this site
But it's our main thing. The sole purpose of this wiki is to index characters' statistics and we do it through CRTs. Anything else is barely relevant like VS Matches. General discussions are nothing but something to discuss what we want. Like, I'm not telling what you should or should not do, but acting like CRTs aren't the most important things on this site is just wrong.

We can yap all day but in the end if it doesn't go through a CRT it doesn't really matter because the profiles will remain untouched.. And if your whole thing here is to simple discuss the series, I think there are better places, since everything we do here is with the sole purpose of CRTs and profiles.
 
Heavy Hitters being 2F-3F level is funny cuz it makes sense in a way. Toji is said to be comparable to 3F Sukuna, at least

This is even more funny when you remember that Jogo is stated as above 3F level in three different scenes lmao
Jogoat agenda stays winning
 
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