Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Guacamolefletcher]

Not sure, since it can be seen as greater context, but based in how the heavenly speak should work I'm not sure if red should be able to hit it and not disperse in the first place. That, judging by how Toji is cradling his curse, how it looks like he get hit around his face, and the fact he didn't recognize the attack till after he was hit, it seems like in the manga he more likely just tanked it from my perspective

The anime changes it completely. In the manga, he goes to defend the cursed spirit while in the anime he blocks the red

 

[Rosa]

Cap, not that much

proof?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

There’s no way I just read through Jogo propaganda so outrageous that it suggested Sukuna’s Mahoraga is inferior in durability to Jogo.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

proof?

Stated in the JJK season 2?light novel that Gojo’s enlightenment allowed him to reach a level near his peak

There’s no way I just read through Jogo propaganda so outrageous that it suggested Sukuna’s Mahoraga is inferior in durability to Jogo

lol the Sukuna Mahoraga that was going bar for bar physically with Gojo has weaker durability than the dude who would’ve died to a playful cloud strike from a grade 1 sorcerer

 

[Rosa]

Stated in the JJK season 2?light novel that Gojo’s enlightenment allowed him to reach a level near his peak

where is it stated that Gojo's growth was minimal? Send this evidence

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

where is it stated that Gojo's growth was minimal? Send this evidence

I literally told you that it’s stated his enlightenment allowed him to reach near the peak of his potential

 

[Rosa]

I literally told you that it’s stated his enlightenment allowed him to reach near the peak of his potential

And I'm telling you to show that

 

[Duedate8898]

Show me ryu deflecting dismantle like Maho did please.

Ryu got hit with a dismantle from the same finger level Sukuna, and tanked it with much less damage. Unlike Mahoraga who fell to his knees, Ryu just staggered back. Or if that's too charitable for you, you could even argue they took the same amount of damage which still puts them both above three fingers of sukuna. Either way, that puts them both above 3F at the bare minimum.

And following your idea of CE level equating to fingers (which isn't the best train of logic since Sukuna even at one finger could walk all over a curse who was at One Finger, and the Finger Bearer that Megumi fought after was stronger than the one beforehand showing how the fingers individual strength is growing as time goes on as said within the series), Yuta isn't told to jump in till Sukuna is at half which would be 10F, and Sukuna puts himself at Yuta's level when they start fighting which has Yuta able to damage this same Sukuna with his hits, even tearing off limbs and such.

To say these characters are below 3f is crazy

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Ryu got hit with a dismantle from the same finger level Sukuna, and tanked it with much less damage. Unlike Mahoraga who fell to his knees, Ryu just staggered back. Or if that's too charitable for you, you could even argue they took the same amount of damage which still puts them both above three fingers of sukuna. Either way, that puts them both above 3F at the bare minimum.

And following your idea of CE level equating to fingers (which isn't the best train of logic since Sukuna even at one finger could walk all over a curse who was at One Finger, and the Finger Bearer that Megumi fought after was stronger than the one beforehand showing how the fingers individual strength is growing as time goes on as said within the series), Yuta isn't told to jump in till Sukuna is at half which would be 10F, and Sukuna puts himself at Yuta's level when they start fighting which has Yuta able to damage this same Sukuna with his hits, even tearing off limbs and such.

To say these characters are below 3f is crazy

I feel like you gotta be crazy to think 15F Sukuna has AP far higher than Ryu’s. Bro should be weaker if anything. His slices so sharp you can be hit by them without feeling it literally don’t go through Ryu

 

[Rosa]

Yuta isn't told to jump in till Sukuna is at half which would be 10F, and Sukuna puts himself at Yuta's level when they start fighting which has Yuta able to damage this same Sukuna with his hits, even tearing off limbs and such.

To say these characters are below 3f is crazy

Yuta's CE reserves were comparable to a brain damaged Sukuna (no where does it say he's at 10F level though), not his power, and Sukuna is stated to not be taking any of the students seriously and holding back his cursed energy.

 

[Rosa]

I guess @Guacamolefletcher is just never gonna send that supposed statement and will rather expect people to believe him at his word

 

[YukaSama4]

It's stated in the fanbook that when Gojo learnt RCT be reached a divinely state, maybe that's what he was talking about

Because I don't really see young Gojo close to adult Gojo in level
Adult Gojo ends the fight in seconds with UV

 

[Rosa]

It's stated in the fanbook that when Gojo learnt RCT be reached a divinely state, maybe that's what he was talking about

Because I don't really see young Gojo close to adult Gojo in level
Adult Gojo ends the fight in seconds with UV

it's not the first time he'll respond to disagreement by vaguely referencing some obscure statement, then try dance around actually sending the scan, and then when the scan is posted it isn't AT ALL what he claimed it meant. At this point I'm used to just pressing him to send his evidence. There was even a time where he faked a fanbook scan to say adult Geto < teen Geto to try win a debate on a topic lmfaooo

 

[YukaSama4]

Which teen Gojo

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

There was even a time where he faked a fanbook scan to say adult Geto < teen Geto to try win a debate on a topic lmfaooo

I go eat for like 20 minutes and I get this. I will say, I was obviously trolling while saying stuff like this. I'd faked scans before in the funniest way, not to pass them off as real in a real debate, but rather to mess with Rosa while joke debating

 

[Rosa]

Which teen Gojo

Geto, not Gojo. He tried arguing Toji >> teen Geto > Adult Geto ~< (20% of beating) Vol 0 Gojo

It was in a vc debate so I can't find the image he photoshopped but here's proof lmfao

 

[Rosa]

I go eat for like 20 minutes and I get this. I will say, I was obviously trolling while saying stuff like this. I'd faked scans before in the funniest way, not to pass them off as real in a real debate, but rather to mess with Rosa while joke debating

you passed it off as a joke after being caught...

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Geto, not Gojo. He tried arguing Toji >> teen Geto > Adult Geto ~< (20% of beating) Vol 0 Gojo

It was in a vc debate so I can't find the image he photoshopped but here's proof lmfao

It's obviously trolling, that scaling chain is clearly a troll scaling chain. Toji isn't > Adult Geto, I don't believe this, I think Adult Geto > Toji.

I also don't believe there is such a thing as "Vol 0 Gojo," I think that's just adult Gojo and it's equal to Shinjuku Showdown Gojo

 

[Rosa]

It's obviously trolling, that scaling chain is clearly a troll scaling chain. Toji isn't > Adult Geto, I don't believe this, I think Adult Geto > Toji

now you got caught for it, maybe, still it's telling of your Toji bias. Anyway, you got the scan saying RCT Gojo is "nearing his peak"?

 

[Duedate8898]

Yuta's CE reserves were comparable to a brain damaged Sukuna (no where does it say he's at 10F level though), not his power, and Sukuna is stated to not be taking any of the students seriously and holding back his cursed energy.

Yuta says that Sukuna has twice as much CE as him, and he and Hakari aren't supposed to join in until Sukuna gets to their level. Sukuna reaffirms when he says his overall amount of cursed energy is the same as Yuta's. Following Gun's argument about the reserves deciding Sukuna's strength that would mean Sukuna at half reserve is at 10F. I'm just using his own argument to show why saying they're below 3f doesn't make sense

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

now you got caught for it, maybe, still it's telling of your Toji bias. Anyway, you got the scan saying RCT Gojo is "nearing his peak"?

There isn't a season 2 light novel dummy

 

[Rosa]

Yuta says that Sukuna has twice as much CE as him, and he and Hakari aren't supposed to join in until Sukuna gets to their level.

Sukuna has AT LEAST that much, we can't discern much else than that, also Gojo said for them to jump in if he (Gojo) gets to their level, they jumped in after Gojo died and it was ALWAYS the plan for them to jump Sukuna if Gojo dies regardless. Sukuna clearly is still above Yuta, he survived being jumped by Yuta inside his own domain whilst holding back.

Sukuna reaffirms when he says his overall amount of cursed energy is the same as Yuta's. Following Gun's argument about the reserves deciding Sukuna's strength that would mean Sukuna at half reserve is at 10F. I'm just using his own argument to show why saying they're below 3f doesn't make sense

I don't agree with reserves deciding output solely, so ig I'd just disagree with Guns on that point.

There isn't a season 2 light novel dummy

I knew you were lying lmfao, just wanted you to admit it. You have a history of either misconstruing scans or outright making up your own fake one's, at this point you deserve to be pressured for evidence whenever you make a claim like this.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Even still, 10F of CE doesn’t mean 10F of output, considering he directly references Ryu’s durability as a bare minimum to fatally wound them.

 

[Giannysmag]

I'm feelin a little goofy

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Sukuna has AT LEAST that much, we can't discern much else than that, also Gojo said for them to jump in if he (Gojo) gets to their level, they jumped in after Gojo died and it was ALWAYS the plan for them to jump Sukuna if Gojo dies regardless. Sukuna clearly is still above Yuta, he survived being jumped by Yuta inside his own domain whilst holding back.

This Sukuna worship is insane

"oh he held back" "oh this or that." It's like the Meguna worship vs Maki. "Sukuna was holding back on Maki, that's why they went relative"

Sukuna is only holding back insofar as not using certain techniques or something like that

I'm feelin a little goofy

WTF does Big Subsonic mean? LOOOL, Dr Whitee Buddhism

I will say, on "Subsonic," I think that most calcs or feats using piercing blood for speed are invalid, and the arguments of PB losing speed significantly might be serious facts.
I think how it is in actuality is PB loses a big big part of its speed in just ten meters, becoming a subsonic attack at range. Otherwise, it'd result in Kenjaku being >> 15 finger Sukuna and Maki

 

[Arkenis]

I'm feelin a little goofy

Put respect on White’s name, he had a crazy run where he was getting void interaction accepted, got cm2 Limitless and almost got cm3 for all ct . And Big Subsonic is something Gege would agree with

 

[Giannysmag]

Put respect on White’s name, he had a crazy run where he was getting void interaction accepted, got cm2 Limitless and almost got cm3 for all ct .

Fr bro was in the zone with upgrades for a few weeks

And Big Subsonic is something Gege would agree with

He is the head of the conspirecy

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

And Big Subsonic is something Gege would agree with

Gege legit might be a yapper because unless the piercing blood losing speed argument is facts, shit makes no sense. It makes little sense that the physically gifted Maki would be subsonic and struggle with mach 1 movement when Kenjaku can react to a supersonic attack in less than a meter.

Mach 3 Naoya might be the peak of the verse

Fr bro was in the zone with upgrades for a few weeks

He hit the w*nk black flash

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Can we nuke this thread

 

[Rosa]

This Sukuna worship is insane

"oh he held back" "oh this or that." It's like the Meguna worship vs Maki. "Sukuna was holding back on Maki, that's why they went relative"

Sukuna is only holding back insofar as not using certain techniques or something like that

Uraume literally tells us it's Sukuna's cursed energy itself which is being suppressed due to a lack of interest, with us visually seeing that in how his stats fluctuate wildly (going from blitzing characters in one scene to clashing with them in other's), it's not Sukuna worship if I'm recounting to you what's in the manga. Also, even if we discard the holding back point, no one has been going relative with Sukuna yet; they've been jumping him INSIDE their domains and with sneak attacks and he's still coming out on top every time!

 

[Arkenis]

Can we nuke this thread

This the best discussion thread wym.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Uraume literally tells us it's Sukuna's cursed energy itself which is being suppressed due to a lack of interest, with us visually seeing that in how his stats fluctuate wildly (going from blitzing characters in one scene to clashing with them in other's), it's not Sukuna worship if I'm recounting to you what's in the manga. Also, even if we discard the holding back point, no one has been going relative with Sukuna yet; they've been jumping him INSIDE their domains and with sneak attacks and he's still coming out on top every time!

ah yes, damaging Sukuna is not being relative to him. Tanking cleaves is not going relative to him

 

[Rosa]

ah yes, damaging Sukuna is not being relative to him. Tanking cleaves is not going relative to him

not when he's holding back, no.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

not when he's holding back, no.

It's like the Sukuna vs Gojo agenda but worse here, because he's getting beat up and nearly died like 3 times, surviving through ******* luck basically

 

[Arkenis]

not when he's holding back, no.

Would using black flash be him holding back? Maki tanked two btw.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Would using black flash be him holding back? Maki tanked two btw.

"held back black flash"

"he wanted to have his output decreased"

 

[Woomica]

It's like the Sukuna vs Gojo agenda but worse here, because he's getting beat up and nearly died like 3 times, surviving through ******* luck basically

Nah he is him trust me bro,definetly not using some asspulls and stuff

 

[Rosa]

It's like the Sukuna vs Gojo agenda but worse here, because he's getting beat up and nearly died like 3 times, surviving through ******* luck basically

It's really not. Sukuna at any point during this fight has had a way out if he ever needed it, and we have a literal statement confirming he's suppressing his cursed energy flow throughout the body (the thing which determines reinforcement output and cursed technique output), and we have feats to suggest that suppression is to a significant extent such as him perception blitzing Maki, Choso, and Yuji at moments. Not to mention Sukuna literally told Kashimo that his fulfilment in life is to taste the various flavours of humanity, and we've been told Sukuna was simply tasting the jujutsu of the fighters thusfar, meaning Sukuna wanted to push them to their limit so he can see what their full potential is - that's his literal purpose for living. Him doing so at his own expense makes perfect sense given it's the only reason he choses to keep on living to begin with.

Would using black flash be him holding back? Maki tanked two btw.

He can't use black flash at will so I don't see why him using a black flash implies he's not holding back. Not to mention a black flash has no implications on one's suppression level, it's literally just a striking strength amp applied to however much cursed energy you're applying at the point of contact.

You're both also ignoring the other factors at play. Sukuna's brain damage nerf was so substantial his CE efficiency can no longer allow him to perform RCT (something 2F Sukuna can do - though I'm not saying this necessarily makes current Sukuna 2F level, just outlining the massive drop in efficiency), his reserves have more than halved to Yuta's level, his control over Megumi has dropped substantially and undone the progress he made through the bath (suggesting his control is at around 10%), he's lost several limbs and been impaled through the heart which reduced his ability to fight at full power, and has had a chunk of his cursed energy erased via Angel's cursed technique. There's a reason why Sukuna punched through Choso with base punches initially only for Choso to later survive a black flash punch, suppression isn't the only factor here.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I'm feelin a little goofy

I must maintain the agenda at all costs.

 

[Arkenis]

He can't use black flash at will so I don't see why him using a black flash implies he's not holding back. Not to mention a black flash has no implications on one's suppression level, it's literally just a striking strength amp applied to however much cursed energy you're applying at the point of contact.

You're both also ignoring the other factors at play. Sukuna's brain damage nerf was so substantial his CE efficiency can no longer allow him to perform RCT (something 2F Sukuna can do - though I'm not saying this necessarily makes current Sukuna 2F level, just outlining the massive drop in efficiency), his reserves have more than halved to Yuta's level, his control over Megumi has dropped substantially and undone the progress he made through the bath (suggesting his control is at around 10%), he's lost several limbs and been impaled through the heart which reduced his ability to fight at full power, and has had a chunk of his cursed energy erased via Angel's cursed technique. There's a reason why Sukuna punched through Choso with base punches initially only for Choso to later survive a black flash punch, suppression isn't the only factor here.

Black Flash is an ability gained from trying harder though. No one just hits one holding back.